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[wrexingcrew]

the_one_54321 wrote...

again, it's not about whether or not the game is good or fun. it's just the accuracy of the lable. RPG is an inaccurate label for Mass Effect.

Based on your definition, you're correct to say that about Mass Effect 2.  You would be incorrect to say that about the first Mass Effect.

[Jerryk72]

I've played a couple shooters recently. Gears of War 2 and Battlefield 1943. Gears is a TPS, and 1943 is a FPS. In Gears, there is a story, but I'm just watching it. In 1943, there is no story, its just fighting US vs Japan.



What makes Mass Effect 2 more RPG than both of those is the Dialog system, the story and the simple fact that we can equip armor.



1943 & Gears are whats referred to as TWITCH SKILL based, whereas Mass Effect 2 is STAT SKILL and STRATEGY based. I don't care how fast you can shoot a gun with inferno ammo, if the mob has Immunity to it, you aren't gonna hit it.



So if you want to call ME2 a Shooter, I'm fine with that. It probably emulates a pretty good one. If you want to call it an RPG, I'm fine with that too.



But to start a conversation and say that ME2 is NOT this or NOT that is very silly.



To me, ME2 is a BRPG (Bioware Role Playing Game) and a damn good one at that.

[RogueAI]

Third-person shooter with talking.

Good game, but I wouldn't call it an RPG in a million years.

Dragone Age, now that is an RPG.

[mac35]

the_one_54321 wrote...

mac35 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

genres are separated by mechanic definitions. there is no such thing as a game that is simultaneously two genres. it has one kind of mechanic or the other.

BBZZZZZTTTTT!

Wrong answer. There are certain elements in each genre that are unique and solely attributable to that genre (e.g. the "3rd person" part of 3rd person shooter) but the nebulous definitions of genres most certainly are not static or well defined. As evidence, start a thread here asking what defines an RPG and see how many different answers you get.

There is no one right definition for what each genre is, especially the broader genres like action, adventure, RPG, etc. Due to this, and because the attributes of each genre are NOT mutually exclusive it is very possible and even likely that when a company makes a game large in scope that it will have elements from more than one area.

BBZZZZTTTTT! right back at you.

just because people disagree doesnt mean that there is no right answer. it just means most of them are wrong.

it's a simple enough matter to take the definition back to it's initial creation. for example, any and all kinds of games can have in depth story, character customization, dialog options, and character leveling. any kind of game.

but, how many games were the result of taking strategy war games and reducing the rules to the management of a single unit, thereafter known as a character?

Oh great, we've got THE authority on what EXACTLY an RPG is right here.

Sorry chief, but I've seen no indication that this is the industry definition of what makes an RPG (if there even is one). You seem to play it off as if it's the law but at this point, in the absence of any real evidence, the only place where your definition of an RPG is THE definition of an RPG is in your head.

Modifié par mac35, 25 janvier 2010 - 09:00 .

[Gvaz]

i just wanted the same combat system, less inventory, min/maxing, and exploring worlds with some sort of hovercraft instead of riding over noise maps in a over exciteable buggy

[Willie_on_Wheels]

It is what it is. I like it. Other people like it. Maybe you don't like it. Can these threads PLEASE go away?

[madskillet]

shooter first, rpg second.

it's an above average shooter with  a storyline and amazing characters. most everything is predetermined for you other than you being neutral good or chaotic good(and who you decide to bed).

Modifié par madskillet, 25 janvier 2010 - 09:04 .

[bobito64]

I am forced to wonder whether those people who are saying that ME2 is a 3rd person shooter have ever played one.

1. You cannot pause the game, aim, unpause and shoot in a 3rd person shooter.

2. There are no Biotic skills in a shooter.

3. There are no tech skills in a shooter.

4. You cannot make any decisions relating to caharacter or story in a shooter.

5. You cannot upgrade your weapons, armour or ship in a shooter.

6. You do not get to create your character in a shooter.

7. You cannot level up your character's skills in a shooter.
 
8. There are no dialogue choices in a shooter.

ME2 is a game that takes the best elements from both RPGs and shooters, dumps the worst elements and adds a few new innovations of its own.

Modifié par bobito64, 25 janvier 2010 - 09:11 .

[wrdnshprd]

imo, this is a third person shooter/RPG hybrid and i am looking forward to getting my pre-order tonight at midnight .

i have come to accept the fact that this game's combat is basically Gears of War in space with some extra stuff tacked in (i.e. class specific skills, character customization, etc).. and i dont have a problem with that.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 25 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[Marlina]

Oh god, it's just semantics, people! Geez, RPG is such a loose term. "Roleplaying game"? Really, that could mean anything. I think what some of you are thinking of is called "traditional RPGs", as in D&D-based games. Doesn't mean that the genre can't evolve.

[Dam Wookie]

After several hours playing it seems to be a cinematic story based shooter that requires few shooting skills. It does have a so simple you may as well ignore it item, class and stat system. I am surprised it's simplified an already simple game. Still if you enjoyed ME I cannot see why you will not at least enjoy it. Even if the simplification may come as a disappointment.



However it is only slightly closer to the traditional RPG than the likes of tomb raider and uncharted.

[coppercondor]

its both wait till you play it tonight before ****ing

[Christina Norman]

adam_grif wrote...

OP acts as though TPS and RPG are mutually exclusive. They aren't. It's both.

I endorse adam_griff's explanation!

Going math nerd for a moment, the answer is true, as in A || B == true if A is true, B is true, or both A & B are true (in this case A & B are both true)

[AlkanineMS]

I don't care about a game's genre. If it's a good game I play it.  I refuse to buy into this ME 2 is dumbed down for console kiddies argument.And I know I am going to get a lot of flak for this, but I think ME 2 is shaping upto be better than dragon Age *hides and cowers*

Did you just say what I think you said?  Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage.  Singularities yout out of hiding place and stabs you with a Dragon Age sword.

[Wrexercise]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Both.

/thread

THIS

[the_one_54321]

Christina Norman wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

OP acts as though TPS and RPG are mutually exclusive. They aren't. It's both.

I endorse adam_griff's explanation!



Going math nerd for a moment, the answer is true, as in A || B == true if A is true, B is true, or both A & B are true (in this case A & B are both true)

im going to have to disagree with you there, especially with all the "it cant be defined" arguments floating around. if you're going to go directly logic based, neither A or B is defined before the assertion is made. therefore your assertion is baseless and cannot be proven logically sound.



on a personal note, you being a Dev, and i assume having Mod authority, do you think you could do something about the language being flung around here? im already sick to death of so many posters composing themselves like children. it would be nice if you all would at least pretend you want posters on the social site to be civil with one another. a lot of your old loyal following wont even post on the social site because of the tone of these kinds of post.



back on topic; like i mentioned once before, it's a simple matter to take the definition back to its roots. yes, indeed it is a matter of semantics. that's the point. semantically, Mass Effect is not an RPG. genre evolving? not in this case. it just isnt in the genre at all. if anything Mass Effect represents an evolution of the Shooter genre. which is fine, because by all accounts it's much better than any Shooter made so far.

[MajesticMoose]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Christina Norman wrote...

adam_grif wrote...
OP acts as though TPS and RPG are mutually exclusive. They aren't. It's both.

I endorse adam_griff's explanation!

Going math nerd for a moment, the answer is true, as in A || B == true if A is true, B is true, or both A & B are true (in this case A & B are both true)

im going to have to disagree with you there, especially with all the "it cant be defined" arguments floating around. if you're going to go directly logic based, neither A or B is defined before the assertion is made. therefore your assertion is baseless and cannot be proven logically sound.

on a personal note, you being a Dev, and i assume having Mod authority, do you think you could do something about the language being flung around here? im already sick to death of so many posters composing themselves like children. it would be nice if you all would at least pretend you want posters on the social site to be civil with one another. a lot of your old loyal following wont even post on the social site because of the tone of these kinds of post.

back on topic; like i mentioned once before, it's a simple matter to take the definition back to its roots. yes, indeed it is a matter of semantics. that's the point. semantically, Mass Effect is not an RPG. genre evolving? not in this case. it just isnt in the genre at all. if anything Mass Effect represents an evolution of the Shooter genre. which is fine, because by all accounts it's much better than any Shooter made so far.

Ahhh... So its a semantics thing and your just wasting your time? I sugest you not make a fool of yourself and respond to this.

[Raanz]

Are there truly any real RPG computer games? Dialogue tree games, and story driven games, but do people actually RP in computer games?

[Mox Ruuga]

Not a pure shooter, but I don't know about calling it an RPG any longer...

Maybe something like "Adventure game shooter"? Nah, too clumsy.

"Choose your own adventure shooter"? I guess that could work...

[the_one_54321]

Raanz wrote...
Are there truly any real RPG computer games? Dialogue tree games, and story driven games, but do people actually RP in computer games?

id argue that NWN multiplayer can be a complete RP experience in the right PlayerWorlds. for others, it is only really a matter of the story being told. in which case it isnt "not" role playing. though perhaps it is not really "active" role playing.

MajesticMoose wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Christina Norman wrote...
I endorse adam_griff's explanation!

on a personal note, you being a Dev, and i assume having Mod authority, do you think you could do something about the language being flung around here? im already sick to death of so many posters composing themselves like children. it would be nice if you all would at least pretend you want posters on the social site to be civil with one another. a lot of your old loyal following wont even post on the social site because of the tone of these kinds of post.

Ahhh... So its a semantics thing and your just wasting your time? I sugest you not make a fool of yourself and respond to this.

the irony of what is quoted and responded here is staggaring.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 25 janvier 2010 - 10:09 .

[Daeion]

Massadonious wrote...

Technically, Pong is a RPG because you can role play as the left paddle.

If you don't want to see RPG's evolve, then whatever. Go back to shooting magic missles in the darkness with your 20 sided dice and let the rest of the gaming world move on without you.

Taking out RPG elements is not evolving the system.

[stevej713]

I don't understand why so many people have to be so picky about what defines an "RPG".

[Daeion]

Massadonious wrote...

All I hear in threads like these is that it isn't an RPG if there isin't some kind of massive stat allocation and other ridiculous criteria for games that are 5 to 10 years old. You should only need a Rogue type for lockpicking and nonsense like that.

Who cares if FPS combat replaces outdated DnD type systems. The underlying game is still an RPG, whether you purists care to believe it or not.

And what does it matter what BioWare labels it? Does it affect your "immersion" if shooter comes before RPG on the back of the box?

Just play the damn game.

Well it shifts the focus of the game really.  While the removing of having to have a rogue type char as part of your group may be streamlining to you, to others it is dumbing down of the system because instead of saying here's your options and now balance the group, it says here's your objective, your options don't really matter. 

[MajesticMoose]

MajesticMoose wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Christina Norman wrote...
I endorse adam_griff's explanation!

on a personal note, you being a Dev, and i assume having Mod authority, do you think you could do something about the language being flung around here? im already sick to death of so many posters composing themselves like children. it would be nice if you all would at least pretend you want posters on the social site to be civil with one another. a lot of your old loyal following wont even post on the social site because of the tone of these kinds of post.

Ahhh... So its a semantics thing and your just wasting your time? I sugest you not make a fool of yourself and respond to this.

the irony of what is quoted and responded here is staggaring.

I know and youve made quite the fool of yourself. Tho im sure noone here will get my little joke...

Modifié par MajesticMoose, 25 janvier 2010 - 10:13 .