I have a melee rogue (Sera) in my party but I don't play as her. And it ends up enemies focus on my player character and Cass, and she does not die very often. maybe u guys should try letting AI control your melee rogue and see how it works.
Alright I'll bite. How did you manage that?
Simple give sera the threat reduction passive and stealth. Cass will automatically gain aggro this way.
Simple give sera the threat reduction passive and stealth. Cass will automatically gain aggro this way.
No not that simple. I have a DW rogue as PC and he's always dying if I'm not controlling him. I'm guessing it has to do with tactics/behavior. NM of course.
Nightmare she will die that is given. Basically if you want ai to handle a rogue make it ranged.
Its hard to find anything in nightmare that doesn't suffer from instant death at the hands of the AI. I don't know if the dagger rogue is any worse then say, a mage or archer that runs into melee range, or a 2-hander trying to play tank.
There are some skills in the game which suck for the player, but change the game in the hands of the AI. Take a look at parry. I will never get that skill to do anything other then suck, however, set it to preferred for the AI and watch as it effortlessly deflects deadly attacks with ease.
I set up cole AI with parry, stealth, and flank attack set to perferred, and he seems to have about as good survivability as any other AI class save the tank. He is set to guard the tank. Its the only time I use guard for the AI. He only attacks enemies who are attacking the tank which works out well. I've seen the AI carefully set up for flanks from stealth, deal durst DPS, then fall right back into stealth.haven't tested evade, but if the AI can make good use of that skill too then DW rogues might just make it in nightmare decently.
EDIT: oh yeah, and don't forget the threat reduction skill from flank. That skill is vital.
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Make sure you change Behavior for each character (esp rogues). Don't have them follow current target as is default, have them follow either the tank or follow themselves or another ranged if they're an archer/mage. Then they will do a lot less bullrushing to death I've found. I haven't fiddled with defend for them, but this seemed to work really well for me in making them require a bit less babysitting.
I see it was touched on above, and yes I would just like to reiterate in addition that parry is really nice for the dagger rogues.
I've just switched from archer to DW Artificer, using this build posted by GuyNice: http://forum.bioware...#entry18053543
(I don't have the fancy masterworks though.)
Feels like a huge boost in power and I imagine it would be even more powerful with hidden blades masterworks. It's also immensely fun. Highly recommend it.
So I gave DWR another try (on hard mind).
Remapped evade to Q and I'm having a much easier time. 
Not sure why I didn't think to do that at first.
lvl 21 nightmare with focus 1 x full draw
not using top crafted gear and no dragon rune, only might tonic. combat opening
Nice!! I really did not know that full draw could hit that bloody hard.
There are some skills in the game which suck for the player, but change the game in the hands of the AI. Take a look at parry. I will never get that skill to do anything other then suck, however, set it to preferred for the AI and watch as it effortlessly deflects deadly attacks with ease.
I completely agree with this comment. The AI is amazing with the defensive skills, especially if you set them to preferred. Shield Wall, or even the 2H skill block and slash. The AI sure can't pull off proper DPSing combos, but it can block like a champ.
I really hope you put this s*** on video some day.lvl 21 nightmare with focus 1 x full draw
not using top crafted gear and no dragon rune, only might tonic. combat opening.
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lvl 21 nightmare with focus 1 x full draw
not using top crafted gear and no dragon rune, only might tonic. combat opening
Woah... Welp, nothing beats the immortal mage-tank inquisitor aka knight enchanter magequisitor. Fade cloak dealing 5k+ dmg to dragons? No problem. Spirit blade dealing 1k dmg with each swing? No problem. Fire mine dealing 10-12k dmg to non-fire elemental dragons (since dragons are sadly immune to whatever elemental dmg they're dealing themselves)? No problem. Being the only person standing for +50% of the fight, basically soloing them? Also, no problem. Doing all of that on nightmare difficulty? Yet again, no problem. ;D Also, that stupidly overpowered specialization is kinda game breaking... And yeah, getting to Skyhold with that is rather annoying on NM difficulty, but... THE PRIZEEEEE. ;D Before Skyhold magequisitor is basically a glorified shield-bot...
Also, speaking of rogues on dragon fights, doesn't tempest's focus ability take around 10-20% of a dragon's hp?
Also, speaking of rogues on dragon fights, doesn't tempest's focus ability take around 10-20% of a dragon's hp?
With three bars of focus and a lightning cage, it's actually a hell of a lot more.
If you feel rogues have it bad imagine us warriors, we got it a lot worse.
With three bars of focus and a lightning cage, it's actually a hell of a lot more.
lvl 21 nightmare with focus 1 x full draw
not using top crafted gear and no dragon rune, only might tonic. combat opening
Hardly "only" mighty tonic. It's really, really broken, and does a lot more than "top end gear" would. Reaching insane damage numbers with it is no surprise.
I think it's at least better than two-handed warrior.
I think it's at least better than two-handed warrior.
I'm doing a heavy restrictions no crafting nightmare run as two-handed warrior (champion) and it's pretty damn easy. Once you get turn the bolt and combat roll you are pretty damn safe and have a ton of CC with knockdowns mostly. The damage isn't insane but gets the job done and I like the gameplay.
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Melee rogue is great on nightmare.
In fact I don't think there is any awful class in nightmare.
Hell, the only thing that sucks is for the DWR is the bug with deathblow taking extra stamina, other than that nightmare DW rogue is all gravy 
Assassin, Artificer, No Spec and Tempest are all great.
I didnt pay much attention to cross class combos till i saw shatter doing actually more damage than a flanking twin fangs empowered by a skill ring. Even on NM pre skyhold youre going to insta gib most non boss enemies with nothing but a tier 1 dagger and the level 4 unique you find from the mage quest line, thats pretty damned good. I dont think any other build with the same gear tier can output as much burst short of an empowered fire mine mage with lots of +attack%.
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