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[Paragon Fury]

Yea I started with a dual wield rogue, on Hard difficulty. Only level 8 or so but will probably restart as a mage or warrior. I do fine and can do some pretty big hits (500+ damage, ~1.5k w/ shatter combo) but I get absolutely wrecked by anything, and with all the 360 AoE mobs do...

 

 

 

Not sure if I have the Easy to Miss skill yet but I do have Evade (The jump/dodge one) and it is pretty bad. Since going by the description it either moves you away or towards the action based on some sort of logic. Well whenever I try to use it to dodge out of the aoe moves it just rolls me into the mob basically keeping me in place. (If it even goes off in time in the first place...)

 

 

You Evade in the direction you're pushing the Left Control stick (or whatever key you're holding) when you activate Evade. So you can Evade in any direction.

[Novadove]

currently I am doing a full nightmare run about 200hrs (to unlock achievement as well as perfect game) with same artificer spec as previously.

that screen shot was a test run to see how much I can do with a level 21 character and a sub par spike bow with demon rune (have not close rifts in hissing wastes).

 

I have done 5 runs each with northern hunter, great minstrel, sandy howler and vinsomer. the great news is with great minstrel being the hardest ( 5 sec in and it will fly around spitting ice unlike others just staying on ground), I am able to kill it within 5 sec before it takes into the air. the only "cheat" I did was having sera drink mighty tonic before my character drinks.

 

i am now almost finishing hissing wastes and yet to open adamant fortess. All quests completed for all maps except dragon hunting.

i will plan my route of dragon killing and craft a dragon killing bow with the best gears for every member to see how it fares.

 

certainly will make recorded video once I borrow a tripod for my camera and post it here.

[Novadove]

Sandy Howler

 

https://www.youtube....e&v=GGpI_NbhZjA

 

edit: clearer vid recorded with Fraps

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=dMpRzdD88iA

[Zenthar Aseth]

Sandy Howler

 

https://www.youtube....e&v=GGpI_NbhZjA

 

edit: clearer vid recorded with Fraps

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=dMpRzdD88iA

What does this have to do with melee rogue, though?

[Biotic Flash Kick]

What does this have to do with melee rogue, though?

it has to show that an archer rogue has to use a party, focus abilities and the party to use mighty offense potions to kill a dragon while a melee assassin rogue can solo a stronger dragon in less than 20 seconds without focus and without a party. 

It proves just how superior melee rogue is. 

[Novadove]

i would like to see melee rogue solo great minstral in under 20 sec without focus without mighty pot.

 

perhaps you would so kind to post a video and convince me. 

[teks]

i would like to see melee rogue solo great minstral in under 20 sec without focus without mighty pot.

 

perhaps you would so kind to post a video and convince me. 

But you used focus in your video so why can't dual?

[Biotic Flash Kick]

i would like to see melee rogue solo great minstral in under 20 sec without focus without mighty pot.

 

perhaps you would so kind to post a video and convince me. 

you used focus, mighty potion and an entire party and ti took you 20 seconds

Dual dagger can SOLO + NO FOCUS kill highland ravager aka 310K HP monster in 20 seconds ;DD

Sure mighty potion but no party and no focus. 

 

also that video of the highland ravaged has been posted in here. 

 

archery is a crutch and easy mode on nightmare. 

 

^^^

That will forever be more impressive than a party of focus using archers. 

[Novadove]

the point is don't fight a dragon that doesn't fly.

 

try solo kaltenzahn, hivernal or great minstrel under 20sec.

 

I can use focus because hail of arrow is not bugged. tempest thousand cut is bugged.

 

also I mentioned before, don't compare solo vs team play. it was never in my argument.

 

for me, solo melee rogue is sad cos they cant afford to have other party members around as they will never get to kill anything especially if there is archer present because sera will have machine gunned down the mobs before the DW rogue even moved to position.

 

as for that video. I have watched and I never say it is not awesome. on the contrary, it is awesome. but I don't like to solo stuff.

 

archer solo is definitely viable. an archer can solo feralden frostback at level 3, I will want to see a DW rogue does that.

[Zenthar Aseth]

 

 

I can use focus because hail of arrow is not bugged. tempest thousand cut is bugged.

 

Wow. No, no it isn't. There's nothing bugged about it as long as you don't use FoFire to circumvent the focus cost. And you don't need to, because one Thousand Cuts is enough to kill any dragon.

 

 

 

 

for me, solo melee rogue is sad cos they cant afford to have other party members around as they will never get to kill anything especially if there is archer present because sera will have machine gunned down the mobs before the DW rogue even moved to position.

 

Do you know what "solo" means? If you are a solo melee rogue, you WON'T have other party members around. As for Sera "machine gunning down the mobs" before a DW rogue even moves to position... no. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

 

 

Your video proves absolutely nothing at all. You have a full party and you have three people from your party use the most broken potion in the game, mighty offense tonic...

[Novadove]

artificer archer solo sandy howler in nightmare

 

 

edit: I can kill it in 2 sec. but it is so fast, the game glitched and the dragon died and respawn. I have to "slow down" to legitly kill it

 

edit 2: this is my 2nd dragon killed. 1st being feralden frostback. when I have the time I will move on to other flying ones.

[Zenthar Aseth]

1) That's 13 seconds

2) Why are you posting these videos? A Tempest can solo all dragons in three seconds with might offense tonic and Thousand Cuts, so you're not going to be making a speed record.

3) If you solo dragons faster than an Assassin without using a Focus ability, then we'll talk.

[Novadove]

1st you mentioned archer cant solo.

now I post a solo vid and you nickpick. are you going to say I cant use bow next?

my point is never about soloing "faster"
 

my point is also never about archer cant solo.

 

my point is archer isn't that far from DW rogue. certainly not as some mentioned "far superior"

[Zenthar Aseth]

Nope, I never said archers can't solo. With focus abilities, they can.

[Novadove]

anyway no point going on and on about this because my vids is not to argue that archer is "superior" than DW rogue

 

but don't under estimate archer and hold onto DW rogue as the only holy grail which is unfair.

 

my gears for those vids are still primitive and have yet craft x 2 berserk gears and the bow is silverite bow because feralden frostback gives only 5 dragon bone which does not allow you to craft a 22 DB mastercraft bow.

 

edit: I have to kill sandy because I need the 50 stamina amulet and the 20 dragon bone to craft the best bow

 

edit 2: I am still pondering whether to get griffon bow so I can cheat and kill dragon even faster....

[Duelist]

If nothing else rogue players, we've managed to prove that Rogue (melee or archer) is still OP as f*** in the right hands.

Not bad considering the title of this thread.

[Helios969]

Huh? You can get +guard for a Rogue? Haven't seen that yet. 

Yep.  Any class.  You need to recruit Dagna (war room) to create masterworks.  Certain fade-touched crafting materials will give you a variety of buffs.  I have a Knight-Enchanter whose staff and armor generate guard.  Between that and the barrier regen I've become an unstoppable tank who can pretty much solo dragons on nightmare (fighting two giants is harder as they constantly knock you down.)

 

For classes like rogues (especially dual wield) passives like Easy to Miss are crucial.  I also agree with other comments about not utilizing dual-wield to stand toe-to-toe with warriors - much better for assassinating archers and mages...and that's sage advice regardless of what you play - take out those nasty ranged damagers.  Also utilize Evade/Hidden Step against tough warriors.  Flank+Twin Fangs+Evade is good way to damage and quickly get out of AOE damage...time it to move in at the end of a sweeping blow.  Note your enemies tendencies - there are patterns to each boss type.

[Xhaiden]

For classes like rogues (especially dual wield) passives like Easy to Miss are crucial.  I also agree with other comments about not utilizing dual-wield to stand toe-to-toe with warriors - much better for assassinating archers and mages...and that's sage advice regardless of what you play - take out those nasty ranged damagers.

 

Yep, rogue is for murdering the most troublesome enemies as fast as possible. Especially so on Nightmare where the archers hit your party like trucks. Standing toe to toe with warriors is not advisable. Especially not if they have a 2 Hander. >.>

[Biotic Flash Kick]

artificer archer solo sandy howler in nightmare

 

 

edit: I can kill it in 2 sec. but it is so fast, the game glitched and the dragon died and respawn. I have to "slow down" to legitly kill it

 

edit 2: this is my 2nd dragon killed. 1st being feralden frostback. when I have the time I will move on to other flying ones.

threw a grenade, used focus and a mighty offense tonic

 

so many crutches might as well just put you in a wheelchair. 

[Biotic Flash Kick]

oh and the sandy howler stood there the entire time and doesnt have as much HP as the highland ravager which a dual rogue killed in the same exact amount of time after you used 3 crutches. 4 if you count the bow. 

 

the HR fought back. 

 

come back when you can kill the highland ravager in 20 seconds using ONLY the mighty tonic.  

No nades, no focus.

 

then we'll chat. 

[Novadove]

perhaps you forget to count how many button I pressed or skills I used to kill that dragon; perhaps you don't even know?

 

and thanks for proving the point that my skills did so much damage, the sandy howler was stunned and doesn't even know what to do.

 

maybe you should be more observant before we start chatting?

[Novadove]

let me tell u the answer since you might not even know.

 

my skill rotation: full draw x 1 > leaping shot x 3. total 4 skills, aka 4 buttons

 

edit: wait patiently. I have kids to feed and work to maintain. wait till I go to highland and show u more juicy stuff.

also, you are welcome to do the same as DW rogue, throw a grenade, use 3 focus and drink potion which are all legit and available for your use. no one is stopping you.

 

with that said, use whatever you have and kill a dragon in 4 stroke. <<<< maybe you can show me what you got so I can be enlightened and improve myself based on your recommendation.

 

my 2 second kill is leaping shot x 4 ending in a glitch. just in case you are curios.

[Jestina]

I'm finding melee rogues to be problematic just on normal for a variety of reasons. We have no F'ing support mages for starters. The AI companions can't hold aggro and you have about zero control over their tactics. The 360 AOE spam is crazy in this game. 

I wish more for a return of DA:O rogues or something more like a Skyrim rogue type. No invisibility. No ninja poofing. Just good old sneak around and snipe with arrows or creep up and slit someones throat. Also there seems to be about zero things for a rogue to do in this game. I can't steal things and there are very few things for me to break into. Rogue is just feeling like a poor mans fighter in DA:I. It's just too reliant on gimmicks and button spamming.

[Exalus]

Have to say I like dagger assassin as much as tempest archer if for no reason than shatter combos decimating the early game.

You have to babysit but thats what tac cam is for.

[WJC3688]

I'm finding melee rogues to be problematic just on normal for a variety of reasons. We have no F'ing support mages for starters. The AI companions can't hold aggro and you have about zero control over their tactics. The 360 AOE spam is crazy in this game. 

I wish more for a return of DA:O rogues or something more like a Skyrim rogue type. No invisibility. No ninja poofing. Just good old sneak around and snipe with arrows or creep up and slit someones throat. Also there seems to be about zero things for a rogue to do in this game. I can't steal things and there are very few things for me to break into. Rogue is just feeling like a poor mans fighter in DA:I. It's just too reliant on gimmicks and button spamming.

 

No support mages..... joking right? Mages cast barrier on you, freeze/paralyze enemies to help your spike damage with combos, and even revive you if you die. Mages are all about support in this game.

 

360 AOEs are annoying but only present on a few types of enemies if we're being honest. The large 2H weapon "brawler" enemies, bears, and terrors are the main offenders. All of them are easy to dodge with evade.