Heartbreaking stuff. Melee rogues are my favorite, but what can you do.
Then again, I haven't tried a melee rogue myself at Nightmare. Maybe it's doable with investment in Evade and Easy to Miss? Evade especially seems nice, with a 2 second CD and a decoy(?) upgrade.
In Origins, my favorite Warden was a rogue who could pick you apart with a bow first then finish off any idiots who bothered to stick around with her dual longswords. Why that feature went away in II and stayed in the box BW put it in for Inquisition never made sense to me.
perhaps you forget to count how many button I pressed or skills I used to kill that dragon; perhaps you don't even know?
and thanks for proving the point that my skills did so much damage, the sandy howler was stunned and doesn't even know what to do.
maybe you should be more observant before we start chatting?
let me tell u the answer since you might not even know.
my skill rotation: full draw x 1 > leaping shot x 3. total 4 skills, aka 4 buttons
edit: wait patiently. I have kids to feed and work to maintain. wait till I go to highland and show u more juicy stuff.
also, you are welcome to do the same as DW rogue, throw a grenade, use 3 focus and drink potion which are all legit and available for your use. no one is stopping you.
with that said, use whatever you have and kill a dragon in 4 stroke. <<<< maybe you can show me what you got so I can be enlightened and improve myself based on your recommendation.
my 2 second kill is leaping shot x 4 ending in a glitch. just in case you are curios.
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Mark of Death > Stealth > Hidden Blades > Flank Attack > Twin Fangs > Shadow Strike > detonate Mark of Death > Stealth > Deathblow > Flank Attack > Twin Fangs.
was the rotation of the assassin solo on a tougher dragon that could you know actually move and defend itself.
you used the pitch nade and focus.
so much crutch.
and the dragon didnt even put up a fight.
archer rogues: where bragging about hitting a non moving target until it dies is considered skilled
get an archer video of nightmare highland ravager with no focus and no pitch grenade in less than 19 seconds or concede.
It doesn't even matter anymore considering both Dagger rogues and Bow Rogues can kill the Highland Ravager solo in a single thousand cuts duration, usually less.
It's depressing, Xarius's video was extremely impressive, and to be beaten by something that essentially takes no skill.
I'm about 23 hours in with dual-dagger rogue on nightmare.
It's just straight bad compared to everything else there is it seems. In origins you could make a rogue viable on the hardest difficulty by dumping points into cunning and making him a dodge-tank with high crit chance, but since you cannot allocate attribute points the way you want in inquisition so doing that strategy is no longer a viable.
1. I started getting 2-hit by enemies with 2handed weapons while I was behind them, apparently their swings allow them to hit enemies behind them or something. There are many melee attackers with aoe abilities as well like bears that have stomp just destroy rogue on nightmare, wolves have something similar. A pack of 3 wolves just disintegrated my melee rogue like it was nothing.
2. You have to be behind enemies to make melee rogue viable, but they almost want you to play this game like an action game because enemies don't stand in one spot like they do in origins when your tank is holding agro, they move around constantly, and the only way to play nightmare is with the tactical cam on, and with A.I completely off. So you constantly need to adjust sometimes to moving enemies to get behind them which equals a total loss of DPS every time you're not attacking but adjusting your position to the enemies to get behind them properly. Seems like warrior would be straight better at this point.
3. Warrior seems straight up better especially on nightmare. You can deal nice damage, act as an offtank which rogue cannot do, have AoE, and you have that new guard power which lets you basically gain free HP from abilities.
4. Stealth so far has been entirely useless for me other than using it to break agro but the rogue is dying so fast that it seems useless because if I can't get out of the way of an AoE ability in time it doesn't matter if I use stealth, its dead anyway.
5. They give you varric at the very beginning of the game who is already a rogue and ranged which is already better than dagger rogue.
6. There is a major problem with stealth in tactical mode, due to the way any character is set to auto-attack automatically in tactical mode if you use stealth you character still auto-attacks. It makes using stealth-based abilities a complete pain in the ass. If I use any kind of stealth-based ability it should automatically stop my character from auto-attacking but because of how poorly designed this game is it makes it a pain in the ass.
I'll continue playing to see if it gets any better or if I can respec my character to ranged or something, so far its been really awful though.
its awful if u dont know how to play Melee Rouge, 1 thing hes not a warrior with who u can fight enemy head on!
i copy my post here from another Topic about Rouge
as rogue u have other skill to make up for that, i have seen bad ass rogues, specially Dual Dagger Rogue, i forgot the skill name, but when u upgrade it, it gives u stealth after using it & with that time Stealth skill has cooled-down, so rogue does not need anything else just DEX, when u are Assassin as i said, & smart don't attack enemy out of stealth, rogue is weak out of stealth no matter how u play, u wont be much help to ur companions, that also why i used assassin Specialization to, it makes stealth kills stronger, with my lvl 15 rogue i already feel the effects, getting stronger & stronger & i don't have that much DEX yet (but i have been only looking stuff with more DEX), i W8 when i get to craft Inquisitors gear, what u have probably seen in trailers, then i add as much as DEX as possible, my rogue Archer was same & i made final boss move to the next stage of fight fast & i so Dagger rouge video, with him i can make it even faster, i learned how to play rogue with short time, Assassin DEX & Stealth is the best like mage Knight-Enchanter, i'm 99% of the time in stealth, its bit harder with archer, half to W8 a bit, but even with archer i have a skill that makes it a bit faster, rouge is not warrior so its expected that rouge is weak with out stealth, no matter what Stats u get with crafting
out of stealth sometimes i use death blow as flank attack (by flank i mean behind enemy's back), when enemy has lost almost half of its HP it does nice damage & knocks down the target
look that Dual Dagger Assassin Guide
i had 99% same idea with build before i watched it, after watching it i was WOW i didn't know Rogue can be so brutal killer with just DEX
as assassin u wont have a issue if u have issue with out assassin specialization
its my archer guide, but it has stuff that Melee rouge needs to
not saying other specialization's are bad, just that i like assassin, & also feels Easy for first Melee Rouge, give me chance to learn more about melee Rouge
I don't know what that guy used, but my Tempest can do that to any dragon as well, without being even near to super optimized.
in Witcher 2 i was use to hack & slash with minimum tactics, no manually evading for example, i was depending on more of passive evade & that kind of stuff, so when i jumped in to nightmare at first it felt to hard, but it forced me to use more tactics, no more mindless boring beating, i guess u know what i mean & rouge requires a bit more tactics to, i bet he tried to use Rouge like a warrior & that is death to rouge, but there are other mistakes he could have made to, but my point is, he dose not know how u should play rouge, my lvl 16 rogue, i could solo most of the game with it some how, not dragons, cause i w8 for more dragon bones when i craft my gear, i play on Normal difficulty
and I am a freaking archer, matching you DW rogue.
@biotic, referring to your post earlier and your posted DW rogue video,
HEY BIOTIC FLASH KICK, CONCEDE YOURSELF.
edit: btw biotic, with that dw tempest, are you going to say how much buff he used so that he can kill that ravager in 5 sec?
perhaps you would enlighten me how much crutch he used?
edit 2: I can simply play a game with DW rogue and probably come out with the same tempest build that most people are using.
but that isn't the point. The point is archer is not that sucks and do not need crutches as per what you keep on saying.
Me thinks the root of the hostility in your posts is a result of the title of this thread. The thread is about Melee rogue being horrible, so when you post what an archery rogue can do, and challange melee rogues to do the same your statements imply that you think melee rogue sucks.
no. i have no interest about the title of the thread. neither did all my 200+ posts ever indicated melee rogue sucks. earlier posts i merely stated the possibilities, but it was never seriously looked into. instead, what i got was full of doubt and sarcasm.
i am only trying to prove to some people who look down on archer rogue ( by claiming DW rogue are "FAR SUPERIOR" than archer rogue ) which was done by showing other people's video.
Also, some people phrase it in such a way as if it is personal and as if it's the absolute truth of this world. that post was specially dedicated to the poster flash kick.
now if you ask me my opinion, DW rogue are superior than Archer rogue but isn't too far off.
lastly, i am not "challenging" melee rogue to do the same because they are fundamentally different and yet, i am kind of obliged to "prove" that an orange is like an apple.
edit: if you follow the whole entire thead, somewhere in the middle majority started to claim DW rogue is stronger than archer rogue by leaps and bounds which i don't really agree.
edit 2: you notice i use the word in my post "Match". never once i indicated "Supercede".
edit 3: Anyway peace out. i take no fun in making people to look like a fool.
that's probably the limit of an archer. still can respec to include poison and such but it's pointless already.
If you have no interest in the title of the thread you shouldn't even be posting in the thread anyway. Thats always gonna start problems. I wasn't implying that you think that I was just showing you why you'd be outspoken in such a thread, because I know your not trying to say archer is better. Its a good video.
no. i have no interest about the title of the thread. neither did all my 200+ posts ever indicated melee rogue sucks. earlier posts i merely stated the possibilities, but it was never seriously looked into. instead, what i got was full of doubt and sarcasm.
i am only trying to prove to some people who look down on archer rogue ( by claiming DW rogue are "FAR SUPERIOR" than archer rogue ) which was done by showing other people's video.
Also, some people phrase it in such a way as if it is personal and as if it's the absolute truth of this world. that post was specially dedicated to the poster flash kick.
now if you ask me my opinion, DW rogue are superior than Archer rogue but isn't too far off.
lastly, i am not "challenging" melee rogue to do the same because they are fundamentally different and yet, i am kind of obliged to "prove" that an orange is like an apple.
edit: if you follow the whole entire thead, somewhere in the middle majority started to claim DW rogue is stronger than archer rogue by leaps and bounds which i don't really agree.
edit 2: you notice i use the word in my post "Match". never once i indicated "Supercede".
edit 3: Anyway peace out. i take no fun in making people to look like a fool.
that's probably the limit of an archer. still can respec to include poison and such but it's pointless already.
not looking down on archer rouge, but melee rogue is bit superior to archer, i kill enemy's a lot faster with melee rouge, faster then archer, cause i get in stealth faster, i know cause i have played archer & i'm playing melee rogue new, i'm assassin not just melee rouge
I, and others, have managed just fine on Nightmare in DAI so it's obviously just crap players.
As for melee in DA2, Rogue Hawke was easily the best Hawke since there were skills to make Hawke practically unkillable (Fatiguing Fog, Decoy), capable of one shotting bosses (Assassinate) and reaching annoying long range targets (Vendetta).
I, and others, have managed just fine on Nightmare in DAI so it's obviously just crap players.
As for melee in DA2, Rogue Hawke was easily the best Hawke since there were skills to make Hawke practically unkillable (Fatiguing Fog, Decoy), capable of one shotting bosses (Assassinate) and reaching annoying long range targets (Vendetta).
Assassin+Shadow Dagger Hawke vs. Arishok is so great. Oh, you were expecting to fight me for 10 minutes? Sorry about that bud, I seem to have accidentally murdered you before your potion cooldown popped.
One spell does not make a support mage. Just boot up DA:O and look at the all the support spells mages had back then. They've pretty much stripped support from mages and they are pretty much useless beyond casting flashy offensive spells.
One spell does not make a support mage. Just boot up DA:O and look at the all the support spells mages had back then. They've pretty much stripped support from mages and they are pretty much useless beyond casting flashy offensive spells.
Can you comprehend that there is one single support spell...,barrier. That's all that's in the spirit tree for support.
A support mages responsibility is not casting flashy crap spells into the middle of melee. A support mage buffs and heals the tank plus damage dealers. Support mages should rarely be casting offensive spells, only if there is no one needing buffing and healing.
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