Right back at you. It's a GAME, and a fantasy RPG at that
Seems like a strange thing to say given your previous post.
Out of the hundreds of fantasy role playing games that I've played, only a small handful even contained any romance elements. People can play however they like. If they want a game to fulfill their romantic desires, however, they will be disappointed, because no game is capable of doing that.
It is not a video game designers job to satisfy people's romantic desires.
Romance is a huge factor in Bioware games and a big selling point. You find attractive women in the highest selling games like Mass Effect, DOA, Street Fighter, FF, Tomb Raider, etc.
Why do you identify so much with NPCs that any criticism levelled at their looks is automatically an attack on you personally?
I don't think your looks, however good or bad it may be, was ever an issue here.
Lets be honest, you find "attractive" (also often impossible) women everywhere. It is used to sell things but also puts a ludicrously high standard for looks that a realistically pretty woman is called ugly. An "attractive" woman in a video game often means she appears as a different species to the men, having hardly if any contours to her face, a body that moves in weird anotomically incorrect ways, wearing an outfit that in any reality would get her killed.
These women are attractive, in real life they would be bombshells, but in video games they are not aliens from planet sexy, so they are ugly. And as someone said, romance is extra content. It hurts everyone else's playthrough to demand all the women be sexy when it not only goes against the theme of the game but also the realism many gamers seem to adhere to.
You keep claiming that I'm telling you what you should or shouldn't like. I have done nothing of the sort.
I'm telling you that if you buy something that know you don't like, you have only yourself to blame.
Fair point. But, we don't get many epic RPGs, so I have to voice my opinion in hopes to improve this game (with updates) and/or future games. Character design is one aspect of the game.
It's like being a huge FF fan. You're going to buy every FF game, regardless. But, you may complain that FFXV is a sausage fest. I like peaches n' cream more than sausage. (On the other hand, I haven't played it yet, so I might like an FF bromance.)
Romance is a huge factor in Bioware games and a big selling point. You find attractive women in the highest selling games like Mass Effect, DOA, Street Fighter, FF, Tomb Raider, etc.
And DAI
Lets be honest, you find "attractive" (also often impossible) women everywhere. It is used to sell things but also puts a ludicrously high standard for looks that a realistically pretty woman is called ugly. An "attractive" woman in a video game often means she appears as a different species to the men, having hardly if any contours to her face, a body that moves in weird anotomically incorrect ways, wearing an outfit that in any reality would get her killed.
These women are attractive, in real life they would be bombshells, but in video games they are not aliens from planet sexy, so they are ugly. And as someone said, romance is extra content. It hurts everyone else's playthrough to demand all the women be sexy when it not only goes against the theme of the game but also the realism many gamers seem to adhere to.
One realizes how terrible current video games women beauty standards are when actually realistic-looking (and good looking as well) women are called "ugly"
Ugh
I do like that in the same post we have OP dismissing a female character simply because they don't find her attractive and then accussing the game dev of misogyny. It's just the right level of oblivious.
Cognitive dissonance for all!
Ugly? Really?
Man, with such high stdnards of "beauty" for women among people (lesbian or not, women or men etc) I sometimes wonder if not-Barbie-like women should even exist. Maybe people like me without featureless "beauty" are too "ugly" to be represented in art and crafts and anywhere
Now excuse me while me and other actually-looking-like-real-people-and-not-dolls women hide in the Pit of Shame to never scare you guys
I think Cassandra is one of the best looking girls in the game and a lot of people say she's ugly so. I never said they had to be super models but their face shouldn't look like the underside of a foot either. Sorry if I think Sera looks too much like a man. And Josephine has no character what so ever. She's practically soulless. If I could have Cassandra I wouldn't care. Sera and Josephine are terrible lesbian romance options.
Out of the hundreds of fantasy role playing games that I've played, only a small handful even contained any romance elements. People can play however they like. If they want a game to fulfill their romantic desires, however, they will be disappointed, because no game is capable of doing that.
It is not a video game designers job to satisfy people's romantic desires.
Eh... we both know that BW games are NOT your standard RPG fare. I, at least, cherish them most for their stories and characters. How I loved Anders in DA:Awakening, Jack in ME... not necessarily in a romantic sense (I'd like to stay whole, thank you), but relating to characters, be that romantic or not, has always been a major, if not the biggest, element of BW games.
If a game fails to allow me to relate to its characters, it has failed.
Now DA:I has NOT failed in this regard, but I do think people are allowed to voice their opinion on one isolated aspect of it, and that is looks.
And that's all I'm going to say now because I don't think this discussion is going anywhere with people taking everything so damn personal as if the NPCs were supposed to be a direct rendition of their own looks and personalities.
At least you're the only person in the the thread to give a serious response although I disagree with you. I find the lesbian characters in this game to be stereotypical lesbian characters. Sera is the typical ugly one who's comedy act is supposed to show her personality is better. And Josephine is the typical pretty girl so she has no personality what so ever.
I feel you can put any character in there if you want, especially since you have a gulf of an idea what ugly is. I have never seen any lesbian media have your tropes. never mind that Josephine has a personality if not a more gentle one. I don't think Sera is ugly, and judging by how big the Sera thread actually is, I would judge you are an anomaly in that opinion.
I think it is important to realize that personal tastes are not related to truth. You find them ugly. Vast majority does not. You are conflating your personal bias with fact.
Of course they aren't. Because if they were, there'd be nothing to discuss.I don't think your looks, however good or bad it may be, was ever an issue here.
I think Cassandra is one of the best looking girls in the game and a lot of people say she's ugly so. I never said they had to be super models but their face shouldn't look like the underside of a foot either. Sorry if I think Sera looks too much like a man. And Josephine has no character what so ever. She's practically soulless. If I could have Cassandra I wouldn't care. Sera and Josephine are terrible lesbian romance options.
No female or male companion in this game looks ugly
All of them have specific features which make them unique but might go against these terrible beauty standards
Uniqueness, personality, "image" (aka not just looks but also attitude, gestures, expression, voice, "aura" etc) make a person truly beautiful
Beauty standrds just make a pretty doll. Plus they're subjective as ****. I find Vivienne the most beautiful girl in the game and I like Sera's dorky face. Also, Josephine does have a personality. Her "dull" politeness is a part of it
Attractiveness is completely subjective though.
And many Street Fighter, DOA, FF etc women are just ridiculously oversexualised to the point of ridiculousness.
There are real women who have the perfect proportions of those "oversexualized" characters (without plastic surgery). And, beauty is not subjective. There may be a variety of opinions, but those are likely driven by other factors. For example, if a girl is beautiful, but she looks like my sister, I am not attracted to her (it's too weird).
^ Snap
everyones standards of beuty differ. i prefere ginger girls whith glasses...oh and i have a Dr martins fettish.
you do not.
Beauty standrds just make a pretty doll. Plus they're subjective as ****. I find Vivienne the most beautiful girl in the game and I like Sera's dorky face. Also, Josephine does have a personality. Her "dull" politeness is a part of it
No they don't. You're actually making the same generalisation that you accuse the critics of: Not every pretty person is "just a pretty doll". Ideally I'd like beauty/handsomeness, wit, cleverness, strength and kindness all in one package. Having more of one does not compensate for a lack of the other, and saying that beauty/handsomeness does not exist is simply delusional.
^ Snap
everyones standards of beuty differ. i prefere ginger girls whith glasses...oh and i have a Dr martins fettish.
you do not.
As a matter of fact, I do. =D
There's nothing wrong with a strong beautiful woman who's not afraid to show she's also sexy. There is definitely a strong gender bias, misrepresentation and hatred towards women in this game, lesbians especially. I expected better from a company that claims to care about equality.
Women, especially feminists, are fun. When in a game women are portrayed as sexy they become sexual objects (see Sarkaasian & co), when instead they aren't they become "misrepresented". In both cases it is because there's an "hatred towards women". Damned if you do and damned if you don't. In both cases you are always a misogynist.
Get your mind straight for one single time in your life ffs, seriously. If I understood one thing about women after all this time is that you really don't know what you really want (people in general don't but women even less).
There are wide factors in between. i think that should be obvious by the contention over their looks. "Cassandra is basically a man" "Cassandra is the most beautiful woman in the game" "Sera looks like a man" "Why is the lesbian the only pretty option stop trolling us Bioware" "Oh god Dorian is so hot" "Dorian looks terrible that mustache is hideous" "Who wants an old man, creepy" "Blackwall is my sex god" And more and more, although certainly more critiques on the women than men which is hardly a surprise.
As a matter of fact, I do. =D
Then we have mutch to discuss.. to the porn cave..
Lesbian tropes? Wiccan's wearing plaid with sensible shoes?
Q: How does a lesbian refer to her second date?
A: Her wedding.
I don't care for Josephine. Others do, so good for them
I adore Sera. She is cute and fun.
I amd thinking my next play through will be male so I can romance Casandra. I'm not usually a bottom but for her, I'll make an exception. "Hold me so the big bad wolf won't hurt me."
i thaught our trope was dungerees and Automotive repair. well live and learn.
Women, especially feminists, are fun. When in a game women are portrayed as sexy they become sexual objects (see Sarkaasian & co), when instead they aren't they become "misrepresented". In both cases it is because there's an "hatred towards women". Damned if you do and damned if you don't. In both cases you are always a misogynist.
Get your mind straight for one single time in your life ffs, seriously. If I understood one thing about women after all this time is that you really don't know what you really want (people in general don't but women even less).
You see several women are arguing with her. We are not a hive mind. If every man does not have the same opinion as you, men are not "in general" irrational. Taking 2 different individuals who have different wants and desires, and somehow conflating them together will always make someone seem indecicive and confused. It's like "Gamers are the most confused people they can't decide whether they want an RPG or hate them" when yes the RPG fan knows and the FPS fans know but if you make them into a conglomerate, well they are just confused.
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