buy a console instead everyone wins !
Lol Not.
Because then all you'd have is an overpriced, underpowered, single-purposed potato box that is so next gen it can barely play new releases at 30fps at 1080p.
Sorry, I'd prefer that my game actually perform and look amazing. So for anybody that wishes the same, console is no longer an option.
Edit: and no, I'm not referring to Wii.. I'm referring to XBONE and PS4
There is a problem in the game engine, this has been confirmed. So I don't think it's the fault of the different setups that players have here. My setup is quite good with i7 CPU and GTX 770 and other games work perfectly, DA:I does not. I have the newest Nvidia driver too.
Oh, so a 1600 $ PC is not enough
I'm supposed to buy a new one ?
You do realize that there's more to making a gaming PC than throwing money at it, right? You could spend $3000 and still have garbage.
If what you want to do is spend and get something that runs games great, GET A CONSOLE. That's what they're for.
Otherwise, you're going to need to actually ensure you have a GOOD PC, not an EXPENSIVE one. This means having the right components for the game, and just as importantly having it configured properly (the right drivers, no conflicts, all kinds of stuff).
Don't blame the game if all you did was throw money at your computer.
Well yeah Nvidia is having some issues it seems. Funny how drivers work though, I've still yet not had major issue with the 670 after a few years. While newer cards they struggle to make drivers work well.
Keeping this till the vram just isn't enough anymore for sure.
Lol Not.
Because then all you'd have is an overpriced, underpowered, single-purposed potato box that is so next gen it can barely play new releases at 30fps at 1080p.
Sorry, I'd prefer that my game actually perform and look amazing. So for anybody that wishes the same, console is no longer an option.
After watching all the high end videos and literally seeing it in action on full Ultra. The graphical difference is just a bit of lighting and particle effects. Other than that, I bet I could post screen shots of the 2 versions and most people on this board would be hard pressed to tell the difference between PS4 and PC.
That point aside, the PS4 is not a single-purposed potato box lol. It plays blu-rays, has a very in-depth sharing system, a great streaming system, cross-connectivity to a playstation vita, connectivity options with smart TV's and most recently game-sharing.
For you PC folks not familiar with game-sharing. Nowadays on my PS4 I can boot up a game, invite a PS friend to my party and let him take over the game without ever having to have bought it. If i'm playing a fun 2 player game and home alone, I can invite a friend to join in, and again they don't need to own the game at all.
Last I checked, game-sharing isn't possible on a PC.
Last I checked, PC games have zero trade in value.
Personally, I like PC gaming and console gaming, but the gap between the two gets smaller every year.
What a PC has (outside of gaming) is moot when discussing gaming. I have a smart-phone, tablet, laptop, work desktop to handle all those functions. If we're talking gaming, let's JUST talk gaming =)
In conclusion, the difference between this particular game on the PC vs PS4 is marginal at best in the graphics department, and otherwise on the same level.
The real difference for me is the ease of connectivity with friends, sharing options, quick and easy screenshots/video-editing without 3rd party software.
PC gamers get some particles and lighting, whole mess of configuration issues, crashes/drops, and had to spend more than me with no trade value when they're done.
Not saying your opinion is wrong, just illustrating my view of it.
Both games at 1080p would look pretty identical, but PCs have the ability to play on higher resolutions. I have a 1440p monitor, but the game's performance with my card is so poor that I'm willing to take the slight downgrade of a PS4, just to be able to play the game with consistent performance.After watching all the high end videos and literally seeing it in action on full Ultra. The graphical difference is just a bit of lighting and particle effects. Other than that, I bet I could post screen shots of the 2 versions and most people on this board would be hard pressed to tell the difference between PS4 and PC.
That point aside, the PS4 is not a single-purposed potato box lol. It plays blu-rays, has a very in-depth sharing system, a great streaming system, cross-connectivity to a playstation vita, connectivity options with smart TV's and most recently game-sharing.
For you PC folks not familiar with game-sharing. Nowadays on my PS4 I can boot up a game, invite a PS friend to my party and let him take over the game without ever having to have bought it. If i'm playing a fun 2 player game and home alone, I can invite a friend to join in, and again they don't need to own the game at all.
Last I checked, game-sharing isn't possible on a PC.
Last I checked, PC games have zero trade in value.
Personally, I like PC gaming and console gaming, but the gap between the two gets smaller every year.
What a PC has (outside of gaming) is moot when discussing gaming. I have a smart-phone, tablet, laptop, work desktop to handle all those functions. If we're talking gaming, let's JUST talk gaming =)
In conclusion, the difference between this particular game on the PC vs PS4 is marginal at best in the graphics department, and otherwise on the same level.
The real difference for me is the ease of connectivity with friends, sharing options, quick and easy screenshots/video-editing without 3rd party software.
PC gamers get some particles and lighting, whole mess of configuration issues, crashes/drops, and had to spend more than me with no trade value when they're done.
Not saying your opinion is wrong, just illustrating my view of it.
I see a lot of posts posting specs... but nobody says what resolution they are gaming at... posting your specs and fps means nothing comparative unless you also post your resolution.... 1440p will take a lot more resources than 1080p, and 4k is gonna crush you without a truly monster rig (today that means SLI and SLI has it's own issues).
I have a 3770k, 16GB ram, and a GTX 980. I am running on all ultra + 4xMSAA at 1440p and average 45 fps (min 34 / max 60 - vsync limit), cutscenes are smooth (after disabling the origin in game overlay).
At 1080p I get 60 fps (vsync and 60hz monitor), at 4k (tested with another monitor from work) I get only 25fps.
You want to improve PC performance? Add more RAM to your system. If you are running this game on 4-8 gigs of RAM...you are going to have problems. Also do NOT have any programs minimized when you run the game.
As for the controls...I admit they do take some getting used to but I am now able to handle them with no problems.
After watching all the high end videos and literally seeing it in action on full Ultra. The graphical difference is just a bit of lighting and particle effects. Other than that, I bet I could post screen shots of the 2 versions and most people on this board would be hard pressed to tell the difference between PS4 and PC.
That point aside, the PS4 is not a single-purposed potato box lol. It plays blu-rays, has a very in-depth sharing system, a great streaming system, cross-connectivity to a playstation vita, connectivity options with smart TV's and most recently game-sharing.
For you PC folks not familiar with game-sharing. Nowadays on my PS4 I can boot up a game, invite a PS friend to my party and let him take over the game without ever having to have bought it. If i'm playing a fun 2 player game and home alone, I can invite a friend to join in, and again they don't need to own the game at all.
Last I checked, game-sharing isn't possible on a PC.
Last I checked, PC games have zero trade in value.
Personally, I like PC gaming and console gaming, but the gap between the two gets smaller every year.
What a PC has (outside of gaming) is moot when discussing gaming. I have a smart-phone, tablet, laptop, work desktop to handle all those functions. If we're talking gaming, let's JUST talk gaming =)
In conclusion, the difference between this particular game on the PC vs PS4 is marginal at best in the graphics department, and otherwise on the same level.
The real difference for me is the ease of connectivity with friends, sharing options, quick and easy screenshots/video-editing without 3rd party software.
PC gamers get some particles and lighting, whole mess of configuration issues, crashes/drops, and had to spend more than me with no trade value when they're done.
Not saying your opinion is wrong, just illustrating my view of it.
I can appreciate your view on this, but my opinion is that most of what you said is skewed.
First off you're overlooking some key points.. the graphical difference is more than just lighting and particles, I mean cmon..
PC = Higher resolution, higher framerate along with the higher detail. Not just the detail alone. I will be playing this game at between 60-100 fps at 1440p.. compared to 30-60fps at 1080p.. the difference is there and it is very obvious, trust me.
Put up screenshots between a fully maxed out PC (even if you wish, using DSR downsampling and higher AA) and you will see the difference. Whether or not that difference is worth the performance hit is indeed debatable, but it will look better without a doubt and in that there is no debate.
Game-Sharing and Trade in Value? What does that have to do with how my game performs? I'm not interested in either of those things as a standalone PC Gamer and wouldn't use it even if it was offered to me.. perhaps this is a lack for other gamers, but for many people who don't play online socially, this is a moot point. You said you want to talk just gaming? Then this should be stricken from the record as well.
The gap is certainly not getting smaller as far as performance between platforms. I could go in great detail providing screenshots of current gen game comparisons and the difference with things like view distance, aliasing, textures, shaders etc etc is not trivial.
Anyway, I'm not going to go any further trying to debate it.. you're free to have your stance and use the platform which works for you.
The single thing I'm most upset with Bioware over is the fact that they released the PC version of this game after having stated that they paid "close attention to the PC version" and this is clearly not true.
I can forgive the issues so long as they make it right.. honestly, they should have just postponed the PC release for a month to clean it up prior to release. I would expect better from Bioware, so I'm put out by this launch for PC.
When I switch from 1440p to 1080p, I get maybe 5 or 6 FPS more. So 35 instead of 30 in the Hinterlands. Turning most settings from Ultra to Low doesn't even give a single FPS.I see a lot of posts posting specs... but nobody says what resolution they are gaming at... posting your specs and fps means nothing comparative unless you also post your resolution.... 1440p will take a lot more resources than 1080p, and 4k is gonna crush you without a truly monster rig (today that means SLI and SLI has it's own issues).
I have a 3770k, 16GB ram, and a GTX 980. I am running on all ultra + 4xMSAA at 1440p and average 45 fps (min 34 / max 60 - vsync limit), cutscenes are smooth (after disabling the origin in game overlay).
At 1080p I get 60 fps (vsync and 60hz monitor), at 4k (tested with another monitor from work) I get only 25fps.
You want to improve PC performance? Add more RAM to your system. If you are running this game on 4-8 gigs of RAM...you are going to have problems. Also do NOT have any programs minimized when you run the game.
As for the controls...I admit they do take some getting used to but I am now able to handle them with no problems.
Nonsense.. checking my ram usage and I still have 2-3GB free when in game.. 8gb, at least, not a chance. 4gb, well, 4gb is substandard for gaming for years already.
When I switch from 1440p to 1080p, I get maybe 5 or 6 FPS more. So 35 instead of 30 in the Hinterlands. Turning most settings from Ultra to Low doesn't even give a single FPS.
Something is just messed up right now.
Indeed
Im confused why people are not getting this.
I can turn every setting in game to low and see no change to my framerate. Zero change.
I open a save game, and my FPS is at 45 (for example) and I can change whatever I want, reopen the game, and it stays exactly the same.
If that isn't indicative of an engine issue, then what is? I'm not whining about it, just stating a fact.. great for people who the game is working for, but everyone needs to stop making claims that "well it works for me, so you must be doing something wrong". Its just stupid to think this way.
Trust me, I'm no stranger to tinkering with computers to get games to work.. for me actually that's part of the fun of it.. optimizing the game through my own control. But its clear to me when a game has inherent problems, and when its my computer. When I can play any other game without issue, such as shadow of mordor and it kills it @ a solid 100FPS in SLI, I mean.. cmon.
Here is the deal: there are four configurations of consoles: XBox One, PS4, XBox 360, and PS3 for this game. Four. It is much easier to optimize software to run on systems like this.
How many different PC configurations are there?
This is the problem right here.
We have this in the audio industry with audio software running on Windows systems. On Macs there are very few variances in hardware. On Windows machines there are hundreds. This is a problem. And I think this is the exact problem that we're running into with this game. Bioware developers probably tested it on several representative samples of common hardware configurations. Now they'll have to patch the game to run on the others that people report.
I thought about buying the PC version. My PC might have been able to run it. My couch is more comfortable than my computer chair.
Yes, I have the utterly wild following excpectation : for a PC that cost 1600 (overpriced by a third, I'm aware of it) I will have a setup that can run decently 2014 game.
That's all I ask. I don't want to run games in ultra, I just want the f.. game to W-O-R-K.
Also, I really, really, really don't understand how you can throw money like that. I dust the PC every week, I run an adware and malware and virus scan two times at week, I don't have any illegal program installed and hardware malfunction terrorize me to the point that any game other than WOW or CIV, I limit myself to playing one hour per day to avoid damaging the graphical card (did you knew that playing Starcraft II for 4 hours was ''overusing the graphical card'' ? That's the reason the PC technician gave me for refusing to honor the guarantee of an six months old g-card) and I still can't play modern games on a store bought machine. How exactly I'm supposed to care for it ?
And you want me to buy pieces without guarantee and maintenance ? (I don't know what you do in the united states for guarantees, but they certainly not work that way in Canada, in which they always refuse to refund. I bought once a 500 $ TV with the sound not working for HDMI cable, and even with the bill, the proof of purchase and the TV in hand, they refused to refund., Cue to me putting the said TV in the basement and having a 16 inches TV for my 50-ish blu-ray collection. I love hardware...)
In any case, whatever, I'm not going to have an heart attack over this. (''Updating the drivers'' never work, incidentally)
I'm so angry that I have actual chest pain, but after 3 full reinstalls, it's still not working. So, mock me, but the game is shelved. It lasted 20 minutes for me, and I'm back to CIV and Paradox Games.
You love making games that are unplayable for people that don't build their own computers ? You love mocking people who think desperately that if they shell out 1000, 2000, 3000 $ they will finally be able to have a modicum of fun playing games ? Keep doing it. Keep calling the people that naively think that a brand new computer should be able to f... play a 2014 game morons.
I'm going to use the f... 1600 $ computer to play games that could be run on tablets-because, I forgot once again that the last, last, last thing to do when you have hardware issues is to ask for help. The answers are always ''uh-uh, I paid 100 $ for it and it work perfectly, dirty pig''.
In any case, whatever, I'm not going to have an heart attack over this. (''Updating the drivers'' never work, incidentally)
I'm so angry that I have actual chest pain, but after 3 full reinstalls, it's still not working. So, mock me, but the game is shelved. It lasted 20 minutes for me, and I'm back to CIV and Paradox Games.
You love making games that are unplayable for people that don't build their own computers ? You love mocking people who think desperately that if they shell out 1000, 2000, 3000 $ they will finally be able to have a modicum of fun playing games ? Keep doing it. Keep calling the people that naively think that a brand new computer should be able to f... play a 2014 game morons.
I'm going to use the f... 1600 $ computer to play games that could be run on tablets-because, I forgot once again that the last, last, last thing to do when you have hardware issues is to ask for help. The answers are always ''uh-uh, I paid 100 $ for it and it work perfectly, dirty pig''.
Well, it WOULD help if you actually asked fgor help. You're not. You're ranting.
If you wanted help, you'd post on the tech support forum your full specs and ask for assistance, instead of just brandishing that computers should magically work better when you throw $1600 at them.
1)No, I'm saying that it's extremely disapointing that a game don't work on a brand new computer
2)I shelled out 1700$ for playing next gen games and I'm back to WOW and CIV. I'm suffocating with rage, and I had to take heart medication. I think I can at least complain.
Yes, I have the utterly wild following excpectation : for a PC that cost 1600 (overpriced by a third, I'm aware of it) I will have a setup that can run decently 2014 game.
That's all I ask. I don't want to run games in ultra, I just want the f.. game to W-O-R-K.
Also, I really, really, really don't understand how you can throw money like that. I dust the PC every week, I run an adware and malware and virus scan two times at week, I don't have any illegal program installed and hardware malfunction terrorize me to the point that any game other than WOW or CIV, I limit myself to playing one hour per day to avoid damaging the graphical card (did you knew that playing Starcraft II for 4 hours was ''overusing the graphical card'' ? That's the reason the PC technician gave me for refusing to honor the guarantee of an six months old g-card) and I still can't play modern games on a store bought machine. How exactly I'm supposed to care for it ?
And you want me to buy pieces without guarantee and maintenance ? (I don't know what you do in the united states for guarantees, but they certainly not work that way in Canada, in which they always refuse to refund. I bought once a 500 $ TV with the sound not working for HDMI cable, and even with the bill, the proof of purchase and the TV in hand, they refused to refund., Cue to me putting the said TV in the basement and having a 16 inches TV for my 50-ish blu-ray collection. I love hardware...)
If you have an actual paid for warranty they are not allowed to refuse you based on the fact that you played Starcraft 2 for 4 hours and yes, I live in Canada as well. They still aren't allowed to do that here. Although you do need to keep in mind who actually gave you the warranty. I built my PC about a year ago now, and the store I bought the parts from aren't legally obligated to honour my warranties because I don't have any through them. The manufacturer's of the individual parts however, do.
but it seems that you don't want anybody to actually help you, and you would rather just be angry and rant so I'm going to go ahead and suggest that next time, buy a console. It will work out a lot better for you in the end.
Tech support helping, that one is rich
Tech support tell you either to ''update your drivers'' or to do some tweak to the setting of your PC that will be used against you if a piece break (not to mention it never work)
Oh, and the help you get from users is always ''you are stoopid, I paid 300$ for my computer and it work better than yours''. You would think that people that don't want to build their computer might not be considered pariah in gaming, but it's obviously stupid too...
Yes, yes, yes...I'm too stupid for a PC, so I should get a console
I mean, it take a PHD to do the ''suggestion'' and ''help'' proposed here. Which is ''update the drivers''. And/or ''build yourself the computer'', let's not forget that one, because I'm sure everyone who play PC game build their own computers.
Yes, yes, yes...I'm too stupid for a PC, so I should get a console
I mean, it take a PHD to do the ''suggestion'' and ''help'' proposed here. Which is ''update the drivers''. And/or ''build yourself the computer'', let's not forget that one, because I'm sure everyone who play PC game build their own computers.
Yes, you need a PhD to do a google search.
It's very, very easy to update your drivers. In all likelihood, your computer came with a program (nvidia experience) that will do it for you.
At this point, I'm guessing you're a grandstanding troll trying to make some sort of point about something. What, I have no idea.
I can appreciate your view on this, but my opinion is that most of what you said is skewed.
First off you're overlooking some key points.. the graphical difference is more than just lighting and particles, I mean cmon..
PC = Higher resolution, higher framerate along with the higher detail. Not just the detail alone. I will be playing this game at between 60-100 fps at 1440p.. compared to 30-60fps at 1080p.. the difference is there and it is very obvious, trust me.
Put up screenshots between a fully maxed out PC (even if you wish, using DSR downsampling and higher AA) and you will see the difference. Whether or not that difference is worth the performance hit is indeed debatable, but it will look better without a doubt and in that there is no debate.
Game-Sharing and Trade in Value? What does that have to do with how my game performs? I'm not interested in either of those things as a standalone PC Gamer and wouldn't use it even if it was offered to me.. perhaps this is a lack for other gamers, but for many people who don't play online socially, this is a moot point. You said you want to talk just gaming? Then this should be stricken from the record as well.
The gap is certainly not getting smaller as far as performance between platforms. I could go in great detail providing screenshots of current gen game comparisons and the difference with things like view distance, aliasing, textures, shaders etc etc is not trivial.
Anyway, I'm not going to go any further trying to debate it.. you're free to have your stance and use the platform which works for you.
The single thing I'm most upset with Bioware over is the fact that they released the PC version of this game after having stated that they paid "close attention to the PC version" and this is clearly not true.
I can forgive the issues so long as they make it right.. honestly, they should have just postponed the PC release for a month to clean it up prior to release. I would expect better from Bioware, so I'm put out by this launch for PC.
I disagree, I find game sharing, online connectivity, and trade in value to be a major facet of today's gamers luxuries. We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.
I appreciate you keeping the convo civil, and I think we do agree on some points - but one. PC gaming is not 100% all around better than console gaming these days is that point we disagree on. It was years ago, but not anymore.
Yes, yes, yes...I'm too stupid for a PC, so I should get a console
I mean, it take a PHD to do the ''suggestion'' and ''help'' proposed here. Which is ''update the drivers''. And/or ''build yourself the computer'', let's not forget that one, because I'm sure everyone who play PC game build their own computers.
You're stubborn and are refusing to listen to the numerous people in this thread who are tech savvy that are trying to help you. You're acting like a jerk to the people who are simply trying to be nice to you.
I suggested you buy a console because you're expecting that everything is going to work perfectly out of the box, which is a console thing. PCs have an insane number of hardware setups, and it's going to cause some problems for people that you're going to have to work through at times.
and we're all telling you to update your drivers because that is the first thing you should always do when having these kinds of issues. Even as a computer programmer that's the first thing I'll do when I have issues with a brand new game, even if I had updated them just a week or two ago. It's fixed 90% of the issues that I've have with games crashing.
As Tommy said you can easily find it on Google, just search for your video card and put the word "drivers" after it. It's literally just a file that you download and double click on, and then it does everything else for you. You might need to reboot the PC afterwards, but that's all there is to it. If you've got a pre-built PC then you may even have Nvidia Experience installed for you which will do everything for you.
Ok, you really think I'm too stupid to update the drivers ?
Short of that, of course I complain. I waited for years to switch PCs, and the very very very first modern game I try out tells ''sucker, we got you again. You will never be able to play modern games on the brick you just purchased. ''
How would you react when realizing two weeks after purchasing a computer you learned that you would be strapped with a piece of garbage for seven more years ? I'm desperate and I'm so angry that I had no sleep the previous night.
1600 in the drain. For nothing. Nothing. nothing, nothing.
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