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[Battlebloodmage]

Just curious, which choice did you make? Did you unharden the Iron Bull and make him reject the Qun or did you let him stay a Qunari? I wonder about the consequence of the decision because you lose all the Charger if you let him stay harden. The dreadnought and Qunari may come in handy so just weighing the options.

[fivefingaslap18]

I haven't gotten there yet; however, I had a feeling you could do this based off of how he presents himself and due to the fact he has two allegiances. One to the Qun far away, and also to his fellow soldiers he fights with on a daily basis. And based off the fact I'm playing a Qunari mage for my canon run who will never follow the Qun he will potentially try to get Iron Bull away from the Qunari's influence. It all depends on what goes on at that time and if I can talk about him with Krem when he's not next to the Bull.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

not sure how to say this without spoiler tag so........

 

If you harden, you make bull side with the qun, but get pissed that he sacrificed his men, though he doesn't blame you personally for it. considering he lost an eye for his 2nd in command, you get an idea how bull feels about the men he was in charge of, but ultimately led to their deaths. bet they didn't expect that ?

 

a happier bull is if you say fuk the qun and their fancy ships, and save those chargers.

 

sure the ships are more impressive, and even your allies were whining that they didn't like that you didn't have a fleet.

 

i'm hoping there is an alternative to the qun, so if i can get a fleet of my own without them, then i don't feel too bad about giving qun up.

 

 

but depending on if u need those ships.... for the achievement for reputation.

 

 

 

also if you look at it another way, they had to die for the mission to save a lot more people, it's war, and maybe that's why bull didn't blame you.

[goofyomnivore]

I didn't really want to involve the Qunari unless I had to. I feel like they would come "help" and entrench themselves then proceed to try and conquer Thedas again, so I didn't really care about their allegiance. Plus we had already done what I really wanted and was stop the red lyrium shipments. I said save your men, because at least I know they're loyal to the Inquisition.

 

I didn't really think about Bull when making my choice and when he got banished I felt kind of guilty, but he seemed content with the choice.

[revan017]

I saved the Chargers just because I thought they were an interesting bunch having had drinks with them in the tavern.

[Ruairi46]

I feel bad that I instantly denied him as a companion because I didn't want the qunari getting a one up from the knowledge of the inquisition :/

[Shark17676]

I feel bad that I instantly denied him as a companion because I didn't want the qunari getting a one up from the knowledge of the inquisition :/

 

You pegged the Qunari intentions wrong here, I'm afraid.  After they learn what you're dealing with, they agree that this is a problem that goes far beyond the scope of the preexisting squabbles they have with the rest of the world, and will eventually offer their support (albeit it comes at a tragic cost -- but in defense of the Qunari, it's a situational sacrifice that happens unintentionally).

 

Plus, the information goes both ways -- the Qunari intel that you receive in return for keeping them abreast of the Veil situation will provide you with more resources and advisor missions.

 

All that being said, you also passed up an absolutely stellar companion -- Iron Bull is every bit as likeable, entertaining, and unforgettable as Varric.

[Seracen]

From a personal POV, I would never trust the Qun to honor their treaties, as they have a track record of doing whatever the hell they feel like, treaty or no.  Even Sten, back in DA1, stated that he fully expected to war against Ferelden at some point.

 

From a game POV, I can't imagine the lack of the Qun's support will greatly affect my ending (like losing Salarian support in ME3), but if so, I will leave this quest till late, so as to reload, etc etc.

 

From a tactical POV, obviously the support of an entire empire is greater than that of one battalion.  Hell, comparing lives, you are balancing the 100 or so strangers on the ship to the 6 or so Chargers, so even that is lopsided against the band.

 

It's funny, b/c I immediately felt shades of Virmire (ME1) the moment they started outlining the mission directives.  I KNEW the Chargers would be in danger, I just didn't expect the option of actually being able to save them, haha!  Ah well, I'll do multiple playthroughs anyway, so I'll pick one choice now, the other later.

[LordParbr]

Just curious, which choice did you make? Did you unharden the Iron Bull and make him reject the Qun or did you let him stay a Qunari? I wonder about the consequence of the decision because you lose all the Charger if you let him stay harden. The dreadnought and Qunari may come in handy so just weighing the options.

My Inquisitor was a pragmatist, ultimately. The choice was between a handful of mercs, or all the forces the Qunari could muster.

[Rifneno]

I was positively delighted that there was a chance to turn Horned Vega from the worst thing in Thedas. Honestly, I can't imagine how he was a true qunari to begin with. He's... how do I put it? He has a personality. He has a soul. He's not a mindless, monotone shell of a person like every real qunari and their constant spouting off about "duty" and "certainty." Qunari are little different from tranquil, except being malevolent. Thedas Vega is... just not. He's always been Tal-Vashoth. He's just the last one to find out.

[LordParbr]

I was positively delighted that there was a chance to turn Horned Vega from the worst thing in Thedas. Honestly, I can't imagine how he was a true qunari to begin with. He's... how do I put it? He has a personality. He has a soul. He's not a mindless, monotone shell of a person like every real qunari and their constant spouting off about "duty" and "certainty." Qunari are little different from tranquil, except being malevolent. Thedas Vega is... just not. He's always been Tal-Vashoth. He's just the last one to find out.

You realize "Thedas Vega" is longer than "Iron Bull," yes? It isn't even accurate. Freddie is the only thing they have in common.

[Rifneno]

You realize "Thedas Vega" is longer than "Iron Bull," yes? It isn't even accurate. Freddie is the only thing they have in common.

Please, he even slips into the wrong accent. Constantly. I keep expecting Bull to start spouting Spanish.

Also, they're both giant meaty tanks with a sense of humor and fairly similar personalities.

[LordParbr]

Please, he even slips into the wrong accent. Constantly. I keep expecting Bull to start spouting Spanish.

Also, they're both giant meaty tanks with a sense of humor and fairly similar personalities.

You realize Freddie Prinze, jr. doesn't have a Spanish accent, right?

[ewauksonian]

I was positively delighted that there was a chance to turn Horned Vega from the worst thing in Thedas. Honestly, I can't imagine how he was a true qunari to begin with. He's... how do I put it? He has a personality. He has a soul. He's not a mindless, monotone shell of a person like every real qunari and their constant spouting off about "duty" and "certainty." Qunari are little different from tranquil, except being malevolent. Thedas Vega is... just not. He's always been Tal-Vashoth. He's just the last one to find out.

I think the thing is, most True "Qunari" that we meet are military, either former or current. Not all of them, but most of them. Like Sten, my guess is a lot of these guys aren't necessarily the most critical thinkers. I'm not saying they are stupid or incapable of strategy and tactics, but they leave the "big thinking" to higher-ups (whoever those are in Qunari society). 

 

When you meet Ben-Hassarath, especially ones from the "spies" side, they seem... a lot more flexible. It might be because of the Qunari selected ones that are more likely to blend in in the first place, but my guess is a lot of the Ben-Hassarath - Spies Division aren't exactly like the "Anttaam" like Sten. 

 

In any case, the Iron Bull doesn't seem to change on a personal level, but rather who sides with. He's of two minds - on one hand, he seems to accept the Qun, but seems to imply the Qun isn't for everyone. He thinks the Qun has helped make him who he is, but he doesn't necessarily want to see it imposed on others.

[LordParbr]

I think the thing is, most True "Qunari" that we meet are military, either former or current. Not all of them, but most of them. Like Sten, my guess is a lot of these guys aren't necessarily the most critical thinkers. I'm not saying they are stupid or incapable of strategy and tactics, but they leave the "big thinking" to higher-ups (whoever those are in Qunari society). 

 

When you meet Ben-Hassarath, especially ones from the "spies" side, they seem... a lot more flexible. It might be because of the Qunari selected ones that are more likely to blend in in the first place, but my guess is a lot of the Ben-Hassarath - Spies Division aren't exactly like the "Anttaam" like Sten. 

The Triumvirate:

• Arigena: Leader of the craftsmen
• Ariqun: Leader of the preists
• Arishock: Leader of the army

[ewauksonian]

 

The Triumvirate:

• Arigena: Leader of the craftsmen
• Ariqun: Leader of the preists
• Arishock: Leader of the army

 

Thanks,. I'm curious who the "middle management" are, though. I suspect things aren't as neat and tight as they want it to be, hard as they may try.

[Jeremy Ray]

Wasn't a fan of this quest. Standing by while the Chargers died was quite silly. Like the Iron Bull said of me once, I can shoot fireballs out my ass. So what is stopping me from flanking the mages attack on the Chargers, or at least attempting to?

I can understand them wanting to poise a difficult choice, but the scenario was weak for it.

[Kuvira]

Agreed, the Chargers needed to be waaaay further away (like binoculars away) for me to believe there was nothing I could do but watch them get theirs faces smashed in. I tried to save them, but immediately reloaded and let them die, just couldn't do it.

 

The Qun apparently have the best navy in the world, and keeping the Vints in check is a top priority. That, and IB's former companion says something like the Qun having never made a proper alliance before, so it seemed pretty much like a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. But he also said they don't know how to negotiate, so maybe it was a terrible decision. 

 

But I wasn't going to torch an entire warship of personnel for five guys who couldn't hold out against even numbers and a terrain advantage. 

[Kurogane335]

I was positively delighted that there was a chance to turn Horned Vega from the worst thing in Thedas. Honestly, I can't imagine how he was a true qunari to begin with. He's... how do I put it? He has a personality. He has a soul. He's not a mindless, monotone shell of a person like every real qunari and their constant spouting off about "duty" and "certainty." Qunari are little different from tranquil, except being malevolent. Thedas Vega is... just not. He's always been Tal-Vashoth. He's just the last one to find out.

You realize that all the Qunaris have souls, opinions and personnalities right ? ANd that it is just our absolutely insane hatred of them and their way of life that makes them "drones" in your eyes, yes ? Also, a friendly warning : Solas is the last person to listen to when it comes to the Qun, because he obviously know jack **** about it.

[Neoleviathan]

I choose the Chargers to see what would happen, there wasn't too much of a consequence. Even the Qun didn't seem to care. I was certain the Chargers themselves might have the most to give me an earful for afterward because of Bull, & I almost expected they would ignore the retreat. But there was nothing.
I don't think I'll ever save them again. I liked them enough, especially early on, but still... They don't even really add anything to the game afterward. All their buildup, what little there was, happens before the mission.
Maybe there'll be DLC with them later on (or a book).

[Apo]

Even if the Chargers are a funny bunch (especially Dalish, rejecting that she's a mage in dialogues ), I choose to side with the qunari because there's no way I let an alliance with one of the most important spy network slip between my hands.

 

But it also depend on the characters POV and how you roleplay them, I can't imagine a vashoth siding with the qunari, unless you want to embrace the qun after

[Vox Draco]

I chose the Chargers, if only to see that Qunari ship (as pitiful as it seems to be) burn ... too bad no Qunari-crewmembers were jumping off-board, screaming and ...

 

What do you look at me like that? I am evil??? Pft ... it's not like the Qunari are like real people...! STOP LOOKING LIKE THAT!

[ShadowWeaver2012]

I have no recollection of any of this on my first play-through.... I think I somehow skipped this whole thing...or is this just if you romance him or something?

[Johnsen1972]

sacrificing chargers gives you a few operations with Tallis.

[ReiKokoFuuu]

i've never been able to sacrifice the chargers and i don't know if i can.  maybe i would do it once just for the sake of seeing both outcomes for myself.  maybe.  it's clear to me that iron bull loves his men though.  they've become his family and i didn't have the heart to take that away from him.  i know it still hurt him to be declared tal-vashoth though, so it was still a hard decision to make.  either way, i didn't feel right making such a huge decision when it should've been him.