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[xkg]

To all people claiming PC is such a healthy market for AAA games (not talking about mmos, mobas or solitaire), why do publishers of AAA games put so much focus on console versions and not as much or outright ignore the PC? Think about it... Hint: companies go where the money is.

 

It's easier to release garbage on console than on PC and get away with it. And it has nothing to do with console players of course. Simply, there are not tham many alternatives to chose from on consoles. PC is open platform, there are countless indie games, in many cases far far more enjoyable than some crap big AAA companies can come with nowadays.

 

Just look at this. Crowdfounding, PC players paying for game that just started being developed. 

http://uk.ign.com/ar...lion-in-funding

 

Just imagine how much money they can make when the game is ready and it starts selling.

[Coyote X Starrk]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion OP, but some of us are enjoying the game just fine. 

 

Your opinion does not equal EVERYONE'S opinion believe it or not. 

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

 

 

But yeah, I'm a game guru

 

No, you're not.

 

The end.

[FumikoM]

People hating on the combat, tell me; have you ever played Tera Online or/and Vindictus? Same or similar control setup, it's easy to get used to. DA:O was clunky, slow. DA:I is not.

 

With a mouse and keyboard you will have, for example, a mouse pointer that often disappears and no walk toggle. I don't like using a gamepad myself but when I switched to a gamepad for this game, wow. Everything is smoother. Yes they apparently did not test the game for very long with a mouse and keyboard setup. So now I prefer to us my 360 controller, it spared me the headache I got with a keyboard and mouse.

[xkg]

People hating on the combat, tell me; have you ever played Tera Online or/and Vindictus?

 

Seriously please, Korean MMOs ? Don't bring them in any serious discussion especially when talking about singleplayer WRPG.

 

 

DA:O was clunky, slow.

 

Was neither slow nor clunky. Was faster than for example NWN2, much faster. And I liked the speed in both of them, perfect for tactical group based RPG. If I wanted to play action game I wouldn't be here.

 

 

DA:I is not.

 

From my pov it isn't. Clunky is not enough to describe it. Broken that's the right word.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

Just look at this. Crowdfounding, PC players paying for game that just started being developed. 

http://uk.ign.com/ar...lion-in-funding

 

Just imagine how much money they can make when the game is ready and it starts selling.

 

And I'd like to see you ask for a refund of your donation when that game is garbage, and it will be. It won't deliver on the majority of promises that it advertises to deliver, like every other MMO released in the history of the human race. This game doesn't even know what it wants to be, single player, MOBA, MMO, persistent online world. Just the description of the game alone is a garbled incoherent mess. In a few years this will go down as the single biggest scam job in the history of online gaming, even bigger than DnL. And will be the death of crowd funding at the same time.

 

There are far more terrible games released for PC than there are consoles. The vast majority of indie games are utter crap. Literally nothing you've said provides any support for PC gaming as viable medium. And I've been gaming on computers since the mid 1980s.

[Coyote X Starrk]

 If I wanted to play action game I wouldn't be here.

 

 

Then its simple. 

 

DA:I Is simply not for you. 

 

It does not mean that others should not be able to enjoy it or be blamed for the fact that they enjoy it. 

[Wiggs Magee]

Found keyboard and mouse controls perfectly fine for most of it... only real issue i had was that tactical view was abit clunky

Certainly doesn't 'ruin' the game

[Estel78]

It's easier to release garbage on console than on PC and get away with it.

 

Seriously?

 

You aware that you are undermining yourself with statements like these?

 

 

PC is open platform, there are countless indie games, in many cases far far more enjoyable than some crap big AAA companies can come with nowadays.

 

Yet they sell a fraction of the numbers popular AAA games do. Which is fine since they also aren't expensive to produce. You want Bioware to make indies? Personally, i'm not much into them, i like my high productions values.

 

 

Just look at this. Crowdfounding, PC players paying for game that just started being developed. 

http://uk.ign.com/ar...lion-in-funding

 

Just imagine how much money they can make when the game is ready and it starts selling.

 

I'm as excited for Star Citizen as the next fan of space sims of old (and Chris Roberts in particular) and i hope it fulfills all our expectations and is a big success with mainstream but it could just as easily turn out to be a relative niche game for aforementioned space sim fans that are willing to invest 200 bucks in a game, with troubles maintaining funding for operating costs when it goes live.

 

Btw, that article is outdated, crowdfunding is already at $62 million.

[xkg]

And I'd like to see you ask for a refund of your donation when that game is garbage, and it will be. It won't deliver on the majority of promises that it advertises to deliver, like every other MMO released in the history of the human race. This game doesn't even know what it wants to be, single player, MOBA, MMO, persistent online world. Just the description of the game alone is a garbled incoherent mess. In a few years this will go down as the single biggest scam job in the history of online gaming, even bigger than DnL. And will be the death of crowd funding at the same time.

 

I am not a seer like you seems to be so I am not going to predict what is going to happen in few years. I provided the facts your answer has nothing to do with current reality. You may comeback in few years if it happens like you said and tell me "Didn't I tell you ?"

As for now, stop being silly, please.

 

 

There are far more terrible games released for PC than there are consoles. The vast majority of indie games are utter crap. Literally nothing you've said provides any support for PC gaming as viable medium. And I've been gaming on computers since the mid 1980s.

 

But there are number of great indie games, the more games there are the bigger chance of there being some great ones. No such luxury on consoles. 

[xkg]

It does not mean that others should not be able to enjoy it or be blamed for the fact that they enjoy it. 

 

Did I even for once blame anyone for enjoing it ? Remind me where, please.

[Coyote X Starrk]

Did I even for once blame anyone for enjoing it ? Remind me where, please.

 

Not talking about you in particular. 

 

Just that the many people who share your opinion blame the "Casuals" or the people who are enjoying the game just fine as it is for "Ruining Dragon Age" 

 

When that is not even remotely the case. 

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

I am not mind reader like you seems to be so I am not going to predict what is going to happen in few years. I provided the facts your answer has nothing to do with current reality. You may comeback in few years if it happens like you said and tell me "Didn't I tell you ?"

As for now, stop being silly, please.

 

 

 

 

But there are number of great indie games, the more games there are the bigger chance of there being some great ones. No such luxury on consoles. 

 

There aren't really any facts in your post either, you gave your opinion, I gave mine.

 

You seem to be a little misguided about a few fundamental concepts.

 

PC gaming does in fact make more money than consoles, the data supports that. The problem with this is that PC gaming is such that this data becomes increasingly difficult to quantify. As many different kinds of games that there are, there are as many different payment models. There are games that absolutely horrible in my view but they make a substantial amount of profit by being "FTP" and then running exclusively off of microtransactions. That's the easiest example but there are many more. As a result the gross income that can be calculated from the data becomes bloated and while fundamentally true, lacks a lot of context.

 

AAA developers know and understand this. They aren't marketing their 200+ million dollar budget games to the full spectrum of PC gamers, that would be literally impossible to do. And here comes consoles into the equation. Consoles are like the blue chip stocks, and while they overall makeup a less than majority of the market share by looking simply at the income, it's incredibly easy to design and market your games for them. You seem to think this means the games on average are of lower quality, when in fact the opposite is true. Console games generally have larger budgets because a return on that investment is virtually assured. PC gaming you're better off sinking less money into it or as in Star Citizens case, get the customer to pay for development for you.

 

As long as you make the gameplay addictive you can set up a contrived payment model and profit with very little development overhead.

 

This works on mobile gaming and PCs, it would not work on consoles. Yet consoles remain as the destination for the huge budget games for the most part, outside the odd MMO, because it's the most lucrative single market.

[Syndicate]

nobody's in "your shoes" because you're a wanker, like all eltists.

Why am I "a wanker"? It appears some perspective really hit a nerve for you...my apologies, there is no need to attack me.

one of the key reasons i don't go and fork out $3000 for a top end pc is I already spend 10-16 hours at computer 4-6 days a week it gives me RSI, If more PC titles supported full controller support I'd consider the switch. But as it is they don't.

.....ok... play whatever you like and fits your lifestyle the best.

i've played console games that were shitty ports from PC, I don't feel an incessant need to ****** about it.

Just the incessant need to b**** about those that do? Which is more petty? I would hardly describe my post as a b**** fest, if anything it was just bring some much needed grounding to this thread.

I just no longer buy those games. in the cases where i buy a PC game marked *MS controller support TM and the game turns out the games idea of support is to disable 30% of the control's and only give you 2 axis of movement and no analogue support. I simply shrug return the game.

No, instead you go full on repressed agro on Internet forums to those who don't dare "take it" like you do and act in kind?

the problem as you can see is I am not the main market for PC developers, I don't think the world owes me a favour for buying a 30 dollar controller. If they support it fully fantastic! i will praise the company if not. no biggy.

This title wasn't marketed as a console game with PC support, nor as a PC game with console support. It was marketed as a cross-plat. I don't see your point.

If ports from mobile games are the future console players (in actual fact "controller" players is what your gripe is, anyone who's over 27 remembers console's with a keyboard) have a choice either adapt or only support those that give support that you enjoy.

Once again there is that word, "port". Are you under the impression DA:I was advertised as a console port, because it wasn't.

you're minority you have to deal with the majority of AAA publishes catering to large markets just like for years, Just I've had to deal with PC games not catering to controllers because I was in the minority.

No, no I don't. Whats with this "I suffered so now you suffer" undertone I keep sensing.

the world Owes you nothing, it doesn't care about you. Learn to deal with it.

When did I say it did? Stop projecting your RL sh*it on to me dude, you have some issues.

the Mere fact you think your something special for spending a larger portion of your income for gaming say's it all.

Again, making up entire straw man arguments from thin air. Nope, never said it, thought it, or even referenced it. You don't even know what my income, nor what portion of said income I spend on gaming. All I said was PC gamers have different expectations from their games (just like consoles gamers, or mobile gamers) and we are tired of publishers cutting corners rather than developing the game for the platforms they are delivering to. Get off it, no one thinks you're "less" b/c you play a console or use a controller.

you're right about their being an US and them there's wankers and there's quite literally everybody else.

does it make you feel good to keep calling me names and launch pathetic and childish insults? Apparently you are deeply offended at something I said, and again for that I apologize.

Everybody else is mature enough to simply say "this isn't for me" and return the product and then live their life. the world won't bow to youjust because you think you're better then other people.

It's your responses and ove the top reaction that screams immaturity. Yea, this isn't for me, yes I'm returning the product and yea, I will go on living my life. Take my post in context, I'm posting in a forum, online, about a role playing video game. On a scale of how important this is in the world of me, it's like a zero. Do you really think I give a flying f*** if you game on a console? a PC? or prefer live action role-play? Nope, but judging from your reaction to my post .... you REALLY REALLY do.

[Estel78]

And I'd like to see you ask for a refund of your donation when that game is garbage, and it will be. It won't deliver on the majority of promises that it advertises to deliver, like every other MMO released in the history of the human race. This game doesn't even know what it wants to be, single player, MOBA, MMO, persistent online world. Just the description of the game alone is a garbled incoherent mess. In a few years this will go down as the single biggest scam job in the history of online gaming, even bigger than DnL. And will be the death of crowd funding at the same time.

 

While i'm open to the possibility that Star Citizen might not widen its audience much beyond the core space sim fans i don't know why there are a bunch of guys like you on the internet on their soapboxes already proclaiming doom and gloom for the project. Even if it is to fail, the intentions were there to make a great game, i see no scam anywhere. What is it that invokes such reactions? Did Chris Roberts personally offend you? Just trolling? Personally, i would already be quite content if the single player portion gave me the Wing Commander feelings.

[Coyote X Starrk]

Its a simple decision for developers to make. 

 

Cater to an audience and make a profit...

 

Or

 

Cater to a much LARGER audience and make a much larger profit....

 

You cannot get mad at a business for making a business decision. Just like you can't get mad at the "Larger Audience" for enjoying the catering. 

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

While i'm open to the possibility that Star Citizen might not widen its audience much beyond the core space sim fans i don't know why there are a bunch of guys like you on the internet on their soapboxes already proclaiming doom and gloom for the project. Even if it is to fail, the intentions were there to make a great game, i see no scam anywhere. What is it that invokes such reactions? Did Chris Roberts personally offend you? Just trolling? Personally, i would already be quite content if the single player portion give me the Wing Commander feelings.

 

Uhh, this forum has nothing to do with Star Citizen, so it's impossible to be trolling it. It's as safe to assume there are just as many people or more who feel like me on this forum than there are you. So maybe you're trolling.

 

I dunno, if there's a bunch of us, maybe you should listen instead of blindly handing over to a project that smells of impending doom.
 

You can't judge intentions, only actions. And so far their only action is putting the hand out asking for more money for vitually nothing. No, that couldn't possibly go badly.

[Estel78]

But there are number of great indie games, the more games there are the bigger chance of there being some great ones. No such luxury on consoles. 

 

Yes such luxury. You aware of indie games having been making great inroads on consoles for a couple years now? It has become quite a thriving market.

[Estel78]

You can't judge intentions, only actions. And so far their only action is putting the hand out asking for more money for vitually nothing. No, that couldn't possibly go badly.

 

Oh i see where this is going. "Boohoo, they already have so much moneyz, how dare they ask for more?! And where is the damn game, too?!" While ignoring that game development takes time and money - a lot of money for triple A production values. Just unsubstantiated doom mongering and ignorance.

 

Btw, i was not just talking this board but in general. There are some people out there that feel the need to comment negatively on every news article on this game.

[media73_TV]

I am on pc, using a 360 controller pad. I am in for 40 hours now and never had 1 problem. Too many kids on here with attention span of a gnat. Stop complaining and try it.

[Efrim]

I am a member of the glorious master race and I LOVE this game.

My response to the shoddy KBM controls was shrug mildly and sync my 360 controller to my pc, reboot the game, and enjoy the crap out of it. If/When they patch the controls I may switch back, and I'd love some zoom love on both control schemes, but the cry-babies decrying that somehow the UI slipups have "Ruined" this game are really only hurting themselves.

EDIT * Holy crap Media73 Talk about hivemind. I am also roughly 40 hours in. XD
 

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

Oh i see where this is going. "Boohoo, they already have so much moneyz, how dare they ask for more?! And where is the damn game, too?!" While ignoring that game development takes time and money - a lot of money for triple A production values. Just unsubstantiated doom mongering and ignorance.

 

I'm not "boohooing" at all, I couldn't care less what you do with your money, I have no interest in playing the game.

 

How is it unsubstantiated? lol There's already been projects on Kickstarter that have taken the money and cut the project loose, like Brad McQuaid's latest venture. The only ignorance here is assuming it's not going to happen to you, good luck with that.

 

And if they do decide to just give you an inferior product while profiting from the game's fans, guess what you can do about it? Not a damn thing. But yeah totally, attack anyone or anything who advises caution because your judgement in giving your money away is perfectly sound.

[xkg]

I am on pc, using a 360 controller pad. I am in for 40 hours now and never had 1 problem. Too many kids on here with attention span of a gnat. Stop complaining and try it.

 

How did you link not wanting to buy and use something that is not meant for the platfor the game is released for (xbox controller) with having no attention span. Can't see the connection, If you could enlighten me I would be grateful.

[Estel78]

I'm not "boohooing" at all, I couldn't care less what you do with your money, I have no interest in playing the game.

 

How is it unsubstantiated? lol There's already been projects on Kickstarter that have taken the money and cut the project loose, like Brad McQuaid's latest venture. The only ignorance here is assuming it's not going to happen to you, good luck with that.

 

And if they do decide to just give you an inferior product while profiting from the game's fans, guess what you can do about it? Not a damn thing. But yeah totally, attack anyone or anything who advises caution because your judgement in giving your money away is perfectly sound.

 

Already dooming this project off is not "advising caution", it's simply trolling.

 

It is unsubstantiated because you don't seem to know Chris Roberts and the other people behind it. They are legit.

 

I only gave them like 40 bucks. I will survive in the event of it going down the drain, thank you very much.

[SadisticChunkyDwarf]

Already dooming this project off is not "advising caution", it's simply trolling.

 

It is unsubstantiated because you don't seem to know Chris Roberts and the other people behind it. They are legit.

 

I only gave them like 40 bucks. I will survive in the event of it going down the drain, thank you very much.

 

You're doing a lot more trolling than me, you're just upset I was bashing your anxiously awaited toy. Color me indifferent, if you want you can start paying me to care what your opinion is as much as you care about mine, I accept paypal, that seems to be your thing.

 

lol I don't have to know someone personally to critique their business practices, child please. I know them just as well as you do. You need to pipe down on the nonsense. This is a DA forum, I suggest you act like it.