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[Ivalo]

Little boys are scared of strong women

 

Seriously, grow up

[ShieldWarden]

Still interested In Sera as a straight male but I've heard being male, and straight at the same time gives an advantage to everyone but you.

I will cope.

 

Yeah. I feel your pain, man. When I sat down with her for the first time in the tavern, I saw that romance option pop up and I suddenly thought.... "O_o? Did they change it?! YES!!" Then I flirted with her and immediately got shot down. Lol

 

Little did I realize that what they had done was just make the romance feel more organic... by forcing you to find out like you would in the real world. Such a hilariously low blow, I figured they should just merge with Sucker Punch.

[ShieldWarden]

If you can evolve romance with Josephine, I am fine with that. Well, I miss Leliana from DAO but she's weird here anyways.

 

Still - 2 options are quite few possibilities for a Bioware game.

 

You mean like DAO and DA2 where straight males had exactly 2 romance options for both games?

 

To be honest, now that I think about it, this isn't a discussion thread about straight males having too few romance options. This is a thread for people to complain and ask, "Why do they get more and I don't?" Which pretty much takes me back to why I'm not a fan of the new thought processes of gamers today, feeling entitled and being jealous of others who get something we don't.

 

I look at it like this, with a great quote from Louis C.K.: "The only time you should look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don't look into your neighbors bowl to see if you have as much as them."

 

Be happy you have the romance options you do (which is the exact number we've had for the past two games).

[ReelRipper]

Be grateful you got any options at all. Its not like they never gave you a damn thing and left your character with his left hand and one of Varric's books.

[King Dragonlord]

What does this have to do with people complaining that their romance options are ugly? My intent was to point out the some people are already flawed because they want in video games what is considered beautiful by media. Hence the guy said "as long as it sticks to video games, no problem." The problem is that it continues to influence that idealized beauty.

But I'm mostly just salty because I like my men heavier and because of mass media, it's hilariously difficult to find potential partners that aren't affected by society telling them they aren't beautiful everyday of their lives.

It's comments like "my romance options are ugly," that perpetuate this attitude that love interests not only in games, but real life must fit this idealized beauty.

 

I thought you were going in a little bit different direction with it. My apologies. There has been much debate lately outside of this community (thankfully doesn't seem to have wandered in here and I'd love to see it kept that way.) 

[Bugsie]

Be grateful you got any options at all. Its not like they never gave you a damn thing and left your character with his left hand and one of Varric's books.

Gives 'Hard in Hightown' new meaning!

[Myusha123]

Eh. Romance is romance. Doesn't need to happen to enjoy the game. I mean, sure one companion gets that extra twinge of love and depth. But the others? You never see their romances during that playthrough and that usually doesn't hurt your opinion about them.

[King Dragonlord]

Little boys are scared of strong women

 

Seriously, grow up

 

I'm curious where you got that one from? If anything the one I've been debating with prefers Morrigan, the stronger of the two romance options in DAO. He also said he liked the series up to this point and its featured plenty of strong women even before this game. 

 

If you're going to generalize, at least try to be in the right ballpark. 

[Rake451]

If you think about it, it's more along the lines of:

 

Straight male: 2

 

Gay male: 2

 

Gay female: 2

 

Straight female: 2 and a half

 

Now while that's still (very slightly) lopsided to one demographic, I have to figure that they all offer around the same amount of content.

 

As for not finding either of the offered LI's for straight males interesting, well, I can't really help all that much, as I actually like them both.

[Battlebloodmage]

If you think about it, it's more along the lines of:

 

Straight male: 2

 

Gay male: 2

 

Gay female: 2

 

Straight female: 4

 

Now while that's still (very slightly) lopsided to one demographic, I have to figure that they all offer around the same amount of content.

 

As for not finding either of the offered LI's for straight males interesting, well, I can't really help all that much, as I actually like them both.

Fixed

[Seraphim24]

This sounds like an oversimplification of the issue at hand. No one is stopping you from voicing your opinion. Having said that, you can't stop others from responding with their opinions. It's a cyclical thing.

Beyond that, some opinions can be wrong. Not wrong as in factually, but wrong as in - for lack of a better word - morally.

And each story has its own unique morals.

The moral of this particular story, the story in which we have female characters who do not meet the status quo (female characters that female players can better identify with and more readily idolize/respect) is that said fabricated characters hold as much value, if not more than, idealized beauties. Friendship value. Romance value. Plot value. They are intended to be valuable people, just as women in the real world wish to be valued as equals. But that equality just isn't there yet, and it persists in ways that cut deep. It hurts our friends, our sisters, our mothers, our daughters. We've all known at least one woman who has been hurt in this way.

The characters are fabricated people, yes. They're just pixels and lines of dialogue, yes. But if they were, on the whole, considered *that* insignificant, then perhaps these threads would not exist.

I feel bad for people who are unable to see the problem - people who equate "ugly" with things like wrinkles, short hair, a lack of makeup, or the wrong body type. The people who are hooked on the idealism are victims. They are victims of a social conditioning that taught each of us to devalue human beings (either gender) and treat them like things.

Once people are able to deprogram this kind of brainwashing, all the force fed plastic imagery and tropes that have plagued our eyes since the first time we gawked at a TV, then people will be more empowered. They'll no longer be the frustrated victims of a broken machine

 

This is very long and has lots of points but it seems to ignore the essential one that attractiveness is a real thing, with clothes and whatever, so, it seems reasonable that ignoring it in the game would have consequences.

 

Besides if that was a goal why not make all the characters completely unbearable to look at? Why even give them a female body, why not just make the brood mother a companion? If the goal is to deprogram the brainwashing (by virtue of a connection to physical attractiveness which seems largely fictional). Instead DA:I does have some pretty attractive female companions, at least I think Sera is kind of one, and Cass is all right, fairly attractive even, same with Vivienne although the outfit is very distracting.

 

It seems to be Dragon Age is pretty guilty of perpetuating this broken machine by this logic.

[Seraphim24]

Ha! Well what about your own picture? Shouldn't it be mutated goblin instead of a man with a somewhat symmetrical face? I mean the intention was to say this is largely absurd but if there is this insistence it would seem you should spend your time harrassing Bioware lest you be guilty of hypocrisy.

 

And aware of what? There is nothing to be aware of, people are going to consider attractiveness when it comes to relationships, that's been that way for millions of years and likely will be that way going foward, whatever other issues the world has it with imbalances of power between men and women or whatever else is secondary to that fundamental precept.

 

The OP was just musing on his own personal dislike for the female characters provided, nothing more, nothing less. In fact, he/she didn't even suggest it was for physical reasons, it was actually because of personality factors which I guess you failed to note.

[King Dragonlord]

Honestly, I wouldn't exclude them. We all perpetuate it. It dictates the entirety of our social/ecomonic infrastructure.

edit: becoming aware of it is key.

 

Really? Sexiness dictates the entirety of our social/economic structure? It takes precedence over eating, sleeping, finding meaning in life, struggling with mortality? Stop being so dramatic.

[Seraphim24]

Indeed, if a movie is released with an attractive and interesting female character the world will end, apocalypse imminent.

 

Anyway on the subject character and personality wise I still think it's affecting males and females as far as DA goes so... eh.

[LadyMalstroem]

I for one can't imagine how high one's standards must be in order to look at Cassandra and not see an incredibly gorgeous woman. Every time she comes on screen I just stare in awe.

Sorry you don't like any of the romances for straight men OP, but that sounds like entirely your problem. Better luck next time.

[MerchantGOL]

My only regret is no Dagna. seriously what the hell bioware.

[Aoooo]

I could care less for the straight/bi/gay thing, honestly just wanted a long haired bimbo for mah homie on the screen to take round the back of a shed. 

 

Only really have the ambassador chick. Which is breezy and everything but its hardly a party member. 

 

This game getting a toolset? Real Skyrim style modding potential here if so.

 

Also, kudos on the game. Bloody brilliant thus far. More than makes up for DA2. 

 

*Why is everyone getting so angry over him wanting increased options?

[Battlebloodmage]

I could care less for the straight/bi/gay thing, honestly just wanted a long haired bimbo for mah homie on the screen to take round the back of a shed. 

 

Only really have the ambassador chick. Which is breezy and everything but its hardly a party member. 

 

This game getting a toolset? Real Skyrim style modding potential here if so.

 

Also, kudos on the game. Bloody brilliant thus far. More than makes up for DA2. 

 

*Why is everyone getting so angry over him wanting increased options?

Because straight guys want more options threads are being made like twice a day, people are just getting sick of hearing about it so often. I think in a lot of the cases, the person who want options only want it to themselves, it's the I get what I want screwed everyone else's mentality. Straight guys got the same number as gays and lesbians while females have double, but why not wanting to give more options for other groups, too, instead of just their groups? 

[TruffleMeister]

I never understood the point of these arguments. In Origins straight males only had 2 romance options, (Morrigan/Leliana) and in II straight males only had 2 romance options, (Isabella/Merril) so why all of a sudden is it a problem? Also I'm really convinced people are complaining just to complain now. Dragon Age is a niche game that apparently requires a set of open-mindedness to play. Unfortunately it seems Bioware's progressive stance on diversity in gaming is far beyond its years, and people aren't ready for that it seems. May I suggest playing The Witcher, or some other run of the mill fantasy game featuring the same cookie-cutter archetype male protagonist surrounded by over glamorized, and dense cookie cutter female character archetypes, or something of the like.

[MerchantGOL]

I never understood the point of these arguments. In Origins straight males only had 2 romance options, (Morrigan/Leliana) and in II straight males only had 2 romance options, (Isabella/Merril) so why all of a sudden is it a problem? Also I'm really convinced people are complaining just to complain now. Dragon Age is a niche game that apparently requires a set of open-mindedness to play. Unfortunately it seems Bioware's progressive stance on diversity in gaming is far beyond its years, and people aren't ready for that it seems. May I suggest playing The Witcher, or some other run of the mill fantasy game featuring the same cookie-cutter archetype male protagonist surrounded by over glamorized, and dense cookie cutter female character archetypes, or something of the like.

Witcher? Cookie Cutter? In comparison to dragon age?

 

 

I don't know whether to laugh or  just shake my head dissapointedly.