It wasn't banned - EA is choosing not to sell the game there. In their press release, they indicated it was not specific to same gender romances. Of course, that could be PR speak.
I see. Well; that's kinda disappointing for people who wanted to play the game over there.
I see. Well; that's kinda disappointing for people who wanted to play the game over there.
Interestingly, it's not illegal to possess the obscene material, merely to produce it. In today's global economy, it will be fairly trivial to obtain a copy. It won't be burning up India's gaming charts, but fans have options.
That would be sooo out of character.
It very well may be that they complain the most because there are a lot more of them. Like...a lot more. The rate at which they complain might not be higher, there's just more of them, so you see more complaints.
It's possible, but it isn't just about quantity. The complaints of the Single Male brigade tend to be a lot whinier, IMHO, than similar complaints from other quarters, and fall on the "Bioware hates straight guys" nonsense regularly.
Who are treating you badly ? We are making threads on a forum addressing our discontent with the love interest.
That part wasn't aimed specifically at you, but at your argument that Bioware expects you to care about other sexual preferences. They don't, and saying that they do is just silly.
Leliana! Merrill! Morrigan!
No but seriously, I know this question wasn't addressed to me but why limit it? Why not make every character that is romance-able, able to be romanced by any player character? Some may require more effort than others but that would make it even better.
Because then the complaints are that "the characters being available to anyone isn't realistic! Real people have ORIENTATIONS!" And similar nonsense.
Guest_Master Lavellan_*
Yes, let us practice censorship ala 1984. People should be allowed to voice their opinions. If there are so many straight males who either complain or straight up say that they do not want to romance anyone in the game, shouldn't someone look into why that is ?
If that is because the women available do not match to our standards, shouldn't that opinion be allowed to expressed instead of shaming ?
This is all you're saying:
"How dare society shame me - me, the victim - for insisting that we continue to push the ideal of physical perfection that has plagued women for over 100 years? That is immoral and our voices must be heard."
You have to weigh the moralities. (It's like a Dragon Age quest decision. Pick the lesser of two evils.)
Choices:
1. Be immoral by using entertainment media to perpetuate the controversial standards of beauty/femininity shoved down women's collective throats.**
or
2. Be immoral by ignoring the men who wish to perpetuate it (wishing so, because they've been socially conditioned to expect these unrealistic standards to persist).
**In my opinion? It's time to deprogram the mentality that expects this to continue. Straight men, who find average/attractive women ugly because they do not meet the ideal standard of perfection, are the victims. They are not the victims of the embodiments who choose to ignore their pleas for the over-beautifying of women to continue. No, they are the victims of brainwashing by the media and other such infrastructures. It's time to open your eyes and stop being victims. It's time to look at women differently.
I know it is not easy, and for that I genuinely feel bad for you. I know that as you read this, you view me as some sort of adversary - an enemy. But I don't know how else to get this message across. If you're looking for a solution, you should probably do some research to solve this problem. Study women's psychology and women's issues. Understand the perspective of the gender that attracts you to begin with. Otherwise you will continue to face disappointment and feel like a victim.
Modifié par Dax, 21 novembre 2014 - 09:52 .
It exists because that's who plays games. So that's who BUYS games. In order to make money, developers must appeal to the largest possible market. Pissing off a big chunk of the largest demographic in order draw in small slivers of another demographic isn't always smart. This is obviously changing and Bioware is at the front of spurring that change, but it's still reality for now.
Anyway, the demographic argument was only brought into this discussion as an explanation for why "straight male gamers complain so much". It's not that they complain more than anyone else, there's just more of them...so more complaints.
It isn't just about the number of posts. It's also about the tenor of said complaints. Complaining that Cassandra and Sera are boring or stupid or ugly or whatever is one thing, Turning that into "Bioware is anti-Straight Male," as so many of the complaints do, is very different. The OP here wasn't just complaining that he didn't like the romance options, he was complaining that Bioware did it to screw over straight men. THAT is what so many of us are tired of seeing.
Hiding behind the numbers is disingenuous.
It wasn't banned - EA is choosing not to sell the game there. In their press release, they indicated it was not specific to same gender romances. Of course, that could be PR speak.
I doubt it's just PR; India has some weird rules about romance in general; even seeing characters kiss on screen is taboo.
Decided to pop in and check out the thread. Considering the game was just released earlier this week... I didn't know this was a topic beaten to hell and back. But jeez, what's with all of the inflammatory responses? My OP was purely constructive. If we're going to turn this in to a sexual orientation bash:
http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States
Only 5.5% of the population is part of the LBGT community or identifies themselves as lesbian or gay. That means 94.5% of everyone else is not.
http://www.theesa.co...ESA_EF_2014.pdf
ESA says 52% of gamers are male and 48% are female. Most people would be shocked to see this statistic at face value. However, most everyone's mom is hooked on candy crush or words with friends. Hence the 31 year old "average" and "48% female". 58% are of the "most played" games are casual/game show/trivia/card games. However, if we look at the "sales" of those games, it paints a clearer picture. Casual + Other only represents 3.5% of sales.
If we want to argue over who's the majority here, let's not kid ourselves.
So she is some Tsundere ice queen goddess that my Inquisitor has to failingly flirt with and try to please at every occasion only to get some tiny reciprocation at the end ?
A cost benefit analysis on the Inquisitor's part will show that the costs of romancing Cassandra outweigh the benefits. For one thing my Inquisitor is pro mage, he allied with the rebel mages, he is not keen on this herald superstition nonsense, he is not religious, he is not the type to who likes to take direct frontal action without thinking about it, he is not the type to take things too seriously, he is not into romantic smutty literature and poems.
To romance Cassandra would mean my Inquisitor has to essentially suspend his personality and be a hopelessly romantic puppy dog. Which I will not do.
Stop acting like Cassandra is some special case. Every companion works the same.
You gain approval by doing things they like. They want you to tell them what they want to hear.
It isn't just about the number of posts. It's also about the tenor of said complaints. Complaining that Cassandra and Sera are boring or stupid or ugly or whatever is one thing, Turning that into "Bioware is anti-Straight Male," as so many of the complaints do, is very different. The OP here wasn't just complaining that he didn't like the romance options, he was complaining that Bioware did it to screw over straight men. THAT is what so many of us are tired of seeing.
Hiding behind the numbers is disingenuous.
Wait, what? I drew comparisons from DA:O and showed how the characters appealed to me. In this game, they do not appeal to me. Out of the 10 romance options available, only 2 are females that go for guys. Only 1 is a party member. Straight females have 4 options - in addition, any one of which is vastly superior to the options available to the former. Do you not see something odd about this? Seriously? It doesn't strike you as odd at all?
http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States
Only 5.5% of the population is part of the LBGT community or identifies themselves as lesbian or gay. That means 94.5% of everyone else is not.
I don't see the point your trying to make here. Actually I do see the point your trying to make here. But just because 5.5% of the population in the us are lesbian or gay. that doesn't mean the other 94.5% heterosexual.
Modifié par RenAdaar, 21 novembre 2014 - 09:51 .
I'm just going to back slowly out of this thread at this point. Goodbye, folks.
Do you not see something odd about this? Seriously? It doesn't strike you as odd at all?
Quoting Vivienne, "aren't you charming!"
You do know that quantity does not mean quality, don't you? You have 2 options to choose from - and they're quite different both in looks and in the character, and still it's not enough.
I don't see the point your trying to make here. just because 5.5% of the population in the us are lesbian or gay. that doesn't mean the other 94.5% is heterosexual.
I didn't see they already added the values together. It's not 5.5%, it's actually It's 3.8% combined for LGBT: (1.7%) identify as lesbian or gay, (1.8%) bisexual, and (0.3%) transgender. By means of deduction, that leaves heterosexual: 96.2%. It seems rather odd to cater so heavily to 3.8% of the player population.
Wait, what? I drew comparisons from DA:O and showed how the characters appealed to me. In this game, they do not appeal to me. Out of the 10 romance options available, only 2 are females that go for guys. Only 1 is a party member. Straight females have 4 options - in addition, any one of which is vastly superior to the options available to the former. Do you not see something odd about this? Seriously? It doesn't strike you as odd at all?
It's wasn't a zero sum game - earlier in development, straight females only had two options like the rest of us. When the release was pushed back, they put in two additional romances. They couldn't have been for heterosexual men because they ran out of eligible female main cast, so they chose to give options to the second largest gender/orientation group: heterosexual women.
I'm sorry the options available to you don't appeal to you. But they are of equal or greater quality to the other romances in the game. Your subjective dislike of the characters does not indicate an ongoing bias against heterosexual men.
Quoting Vivienne, "aren't you charming!"
You do know that quantity does not mean quality, don't you? You have 2 options to choose from - and they're quite different both in looks and in the character, and still it's not enough.
One's a politician and the other a religious zealot. About as exciting as watching paint dry.
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