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[RenAdaar]

I didn't see they already added the values together.  It's not 5.5%, it's actually It's 3.8% combined for LGBT:  (1.7%) identify as lesbian or gay, (1.8%) bisexual, and (0.3%) transgender. By means of deduction, that leaves heterosexual: 96.2%.  It seems rather odd to cater so heavily to 3.8% of the player population.

Still doesn't make that all heterosexual there are more sexuality's then just the 4 they use to name the lgbt community. But anyway its not catering to give straight men the same options as gay men and lesbians. 

[elaine9695]

One of the best parts of these games is that they're about role-playing. I do not have to play as a human, I do not have to play as my own sex, I do not have to play as my own sexual orientation. I am playing as the Inquisitor I create. Maybe they want to romance someone I wouldn't personally be interested in, maybe they don't want to romance anyone. 

 

This is a video game that already has a ridiculous amount of customization and choices. How could anyone complain about being limited?

[JohnstonMR]

Still doesn't make that all heterosexual there are more sexuality's then just the 4 they use to name the lgbt community. But anyway its not catering to give straight men the same options as gay men and lesbians. 

Not to mention that there is not, in fact, widespread agreement with those numbers.  

[WildOrchid]

Here we go again with so-called "accurate" %.

[Starry Unicorn]

Could it be because the largest demographic of Bioware games consumers are straight men and as such have more to say on something ? 

Having the largest voice doesn't mean someone has more to say, just that they're more likely to be heard.

[Meatbaggins]

OP, have you actually done the full romance for Cassandra and Josephine? Because it sounds to me like you're judging them based on early impressions and superficial qualities.  If you take the time to get to know them better, you might change your mind. Honestly, when I played DA:O I found Morrigan pretty off-putting at first. She just seemed like a pretentious jerk, but over time her relationship with the Warden ended up being the most compelling in the game IMO.

 

Cassandra, for instance isn't just a "religious fanatic"; there are more dimensions to her than that. I think you're doing yourself a disservice by writing them off just because they have certain traits and fit certain archetypes you don't find particularly attractive.

[Yinello]

Yeah, I totally feel that Bioware should give me 8 more LIs to choose from if I personally dislike the original 8. Because my taste is universal, mmmkay?

[Paul E Dangerously]

The funniest thing is that if you used half these arguments people are throwing against the OP at any other complaint in the same area with a different sexuality attached, well..you'd never see the end of it.

 

It's just "different" in this case, so you don't get to have an opinion. It's either "but (other game) let you have more", "wacky reaction gif" or "deal with it".

[Meatbaggins]

The funniest thing is that if you used half these arguments people are throwing against the OP at any other complaint in the same area with a different sexuality attached, well..you'd never see the end of it.

 

 

Can you be more specific?

[AWTEW]

Decided to pop in and check out the thread. Considering the game was just released earlier this week... I didn't know this was a topic beaten to hell and back. But jeez, what's with all of the inflammatory responses? My OP was purely constructive. If we're going to turn this in to a sexual orientation bash:

http://en.wikipedia....e_United_States

Only 5.5% of the population is part of the LBGT community or identifies themselves as lesbian or gay. That means 94.5% of everyone else is not.

http://www.theesa.co...ESA_EF_2014.pdf

ESA says 52% of gamers are male and 48% are female. Most people would be shocked to see this statistic at face value. However, most everyone's mom is hooked on candy crush or words with friends. Hence the 31 year old "average" and "48% female". 58% are of the "most played" games are casual/game show/trivia/card games. However, if we look at the "sales" of those games, it paints a clearer picture. Casual + Other only represents 3.5% of sales.

If we want to argue over who's the majority here, let's not kid ourselves.

Even if the 52% was a legit statistic, that means they are barely the majority by 4%, but if you include the thousands of women the world over who hide behind a male allias, than the statistic is much closer to 50/50. Now, intrestingly, if you consider the growth prospects and market compitition for the female demographic there is a much higher level of profitablity to be gained from them, than the mal e demographics, because there is far less competition.

It's no longer the 90s, the age of straight males dominating the gaming-sandpit is over; now you have to share..

[Jaison1986]

Even if the 52% was a legit statistic, that means they are barely the majority by 4%, but if you include the thousands of women the world over who hide behind a male allias, than the statistic is much closer to 50/50. Now, intrestingly, if you consider the growth prospects and market compitition for the female demographic there is a much higher level of profitablity to be gained from them, than the mal e demographics, because there is far less competition.

It's no longer the 90s, the age of straight males dominating the gaming-sandpit is over; now you have to share..

 

4 romances for an particular preference over everyone else is surely an fair share right? I just can't get enough of all these double standards

[Nyaore]

Can you be more specific?

I think he's trying to tell people that they're being narrowminded for arguing with the OP - saying that if this person was arguing about lack of representation for other sexualities no one would bat an eye. Ignoring the fact that I do remember quite heated debates in the past where people did just that. Personally I feel he's allowed that opinion, even if I vehemently disagree with it. However allowing doesn't mean people can't disagree right back and foster debate. You can't post a controversial statement on a world wide forum and not expect backlash.

 

Frankly, given most of the Bioware games I've played HAVE catered to the heterosexual male demographic I'm happy they're trying for a change. Does this mean it always needs to be that way? Far from it, I much prefer equal representation. However at the same time if being homosexual, asexual, heterosexual, pansexual, bisexual, is a part of a character then I see no reason to muddy that. 

[Elite Midget]

Dear SetSailForFail,

 

I am a straight male and in complete agreement with you. In my canon playthrough, that is to say the playthrough that I would make the decisions and choices that I would make myself, meaning I roleplay as myself, I did not pick any love interest for my character since Dragon Age 2. For the simple reason that none of the romanceable female characters were appealing to me personally. 

 

DAI romance is even more disappointing thant DA2 because all the love interests in game are nothing but trophies to be earned and a pixelated ideal to be pleased. There is no chance for equal relationship in DA:I. The followers and advisers never try to make it clear that they are interested in you, they never initiate anything with you and the never give anything to you.

 

In DAO, followers who are interested in your Warden will change their dialogue, attempt to initiate a relationship and give you gifts. Morrigan becomes girlishly cute, Leliana fumbles with her words, Zevran becomes more committed and Alistair becomes a hopeless romantic. Morrigan gives you a ring, Alistair a rose and Zevran gives you earrings. 

 

In DAI you Inquisitor has to do everything from flirting to romance initiation to gift giving. The romances felt awfully one sided. I thought Bioware set out to make them more realistic but they are not, the romances in the game turn out to be your being a hopeless puppy dog trying to please and flirt with a particular love interest and like some metaphorical god receiving their subjects' adoration, at some point, they accept your romance advances.

 

It is frankly pathetic.

 

Like you, I prefer Morrigan and hardened Leliana. 

 

However, since this is a roleplaying game, I do roleplay other characters with their own set of personalities who I do involve in the romances. 

 

Having said that, I doubt you will effect anything here since when it comes to straight males, BSN automatically spews shame, dismissal and disregard. It is odd and hypocritical, given that they expect us to care about other sexualities but they never extend the same courtesy. 

Zevran becomes more committed?

 

Sounds like someone didn't play DA2~

[Nyaore]

Off topic. I adore your avatar.

Thank you! I got bored one day and found the Okami artbook website and well... Had a bit of fun making it.

[Etheus Rook]

Josephine is a beautiful, intelligent woman and I'd romance her every playthrough.

[Inquisitor7]

Its just the hair they need to work on hair and less shiny women and they are fine maybe the chin needs to be less sharp and the side of the face should me a little wider but they look fine.

[AtreiyaN7]

Boohoo - somehow I'm not feeling sorry for you when we (female gamers) have gotten the short end of the stick in the past. FYI, Cassandra is actually a cool person if you bother to speak with her (she seems cool to me based on our chats thus far), which I have been doing. Even if I'm not romancing a companion, I do like to get to know them.

 

As a female player, I'm pretty happy about the male LI options. Even Solas has proven to be interesting, and I would consider a romance with him if I had a female elf. See, even though he's not conventionally handsome, he has turned out to be a pretty interesting guy (I play mages and find what he says about the Fade to be intriguing).

 

Heck, I even kind of like Viv as a person now despite my initial impressions of her - and I am perfectly willing to admit it - because she has an interesting personality and made some good points during our first two extended conversations. Mind you, I'm still in favor of mage freedom, but I think we can mostly get along.

 

Now get over yourself and try actually talking to your potential LIs to see if there's more to them than your pathetically shallow impressions of them before you dismiss them outright.

 

*rolleyes to the infinite power*

[Shadow Fox]

The funniest thing is that if you used half these arguments people are throwing against the OP at any other complaint in the same area with a different sexuality attached, well..you'd never see the end of it.

 

It's just "different" in this case, so you don't get to have an opinion. It's either "but (other game) let you have more", "wacky reaction gif" or "deal with it".

It's different because straight men have never had their preferences mocked or been ignored or treated as an afterthought by game developers.

 

So yes it is very different because one game by one developer not catering to straight men is not continuing to perpetrate a negative design philosophy in gaming that ignores or marginalizes half the population and as said straights have several other games that cater to their preferences women and gays do not.

 

One's entitlement/privilege the other's an actual problem with representation. 

[Steelcan]

One day BSN will stop caring about romances so much, I don't want to see it happen though

 

*grabs popcorn*

[Rannik]

Man you straight male gamers are SUCH a minority.

 

I mean really- we have a total of how many games that even allow female leads?

 

 

.....

 

You didn't address his point, at all.

[Shadow Fox]

One day BSN will stop caring about romances so much, I don't want to see it happen though

 

*grabs popcorn*

*steals popcorn*