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[RenAdaar]

Josephine is a beautiful, intelligent woman and I'd romance her every playthrough.

The more I talk to her the more I regret not picking her lol

[House Lannister]

One day BSN will stop caring about romances so much, I don't want to see it happen though

 

*grabs popcorn*

 

*poops in popcorn*

[Steelcan]

*poops in popcorn*

Act like a gorram Lannister

[Harley_Dude]

Are the love interest options subtle like the first game or in your face like the second?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

has anyone spouted patriarchy bollocks yet?

thats alwats funny.

[Veloric Wu]

Why not try a different way? Play as a female Inquisitor

For example, I think of myself as Solas or Cole in the game. I suppose immersing yourself as Cullen or Varric would work just as fine

 

There is so much more diversity when one stops sticking to the straight-white-male-human-protagonist thingy~

[herkles]

also not all straight males are like this. I am both straight and male, yet I am pretty happy with the romance selections. I like Cass and Josephine as characters. On the other hand, I do have a tendency to play female characters over male characters.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I know you're not going to change your mind, but the same can be said of every love interest. You need to mold your choices to get into their good graces, and many of them have you flirt with little to no reciprocation from the start.

 

Not every love interest can appeal to everyone. As a gay man, I've got Iron Bull, who is a crazily proportioned ox man spy commitmentphobe, and Dorian, who might as well be named Metaphor for Western Gay Man Raised in a Christian Household (but that was above the character limit). Heck, if these were my options in real life, I would be eternally celibate.

 

Exactly my dear. 

 

I have playthroughs where I romance a character with a particular Inquisitor. However, in the canon one, the one where I roleplay myself, my Warden, my Hawke and most likely my Inquisitor are single. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

This is all you're saying: 

 

"How dare society shame me - me, the victim - for insisting that we continue to push the ideal of physical perfection that has plagued women for over 100 years? That is immoral and our voices must be heard." 

 

You have to weigh the moralities. (It's like a Dragon Age quest decision. Pick the lesser of two evils.)

 

Choices:

 

1. Be immoral by using entertainment media to perpetuate the controversial standards of beauty/femininity shoved down women's collective throats.**

 

or

 

2. Be immoral by ignoring the men who wish to perpetuate it (wishing so, because they've been socially conditioned to expect these unrealistic standards to persist). 

 

 

**In my opinion? It's time to deprogram the mentality that expects this to continue. Straight men, who find average/attractive women ugly because they do not meet the ideal standard of perfection, are the victims. They are not the victims of the embodiments who choose to ignore their pleas for the over-beautifying of women to continue. No, they are the victims of brainwashing by the media and other such infrastructures. It's time to open your eyes and stop being victims. It's time to look at women differently.

 

I know it is not easy, and for that I genuinely feel bad for you. I know that as you read this, you view me as some sort of adversary - an enemy. But I don't know how else to get this message across. If you're looking for a solution, you should probably do some research to solve this problem. Study women's psychology and women's issues. Understand the perspective of the gender that attracts you to begin with. Otherwise you will continue to face disappointment and feel like a victim. 

 

Uh what the f*** are you on about ? 

 

Oppressive Ideal physical perfection ?

 

My ideal physical perfection of the human female in fantasy is Diana of Themyscira / Wonder Woman. 

 

In real life, my ideal physical perfection of the human females are female athletes. 

 

These are not societies idea of female physical perfection, as far as I am aware of. Societies like supermodel thin women with skinny body and skinny hands. Ironically, Bioware is doing this to their female characters. All their female characters, across different games have supermodel thin hands. The Elves of both sexes in the past 2 DA games look anorexic and underfed. At the same time Bioware continues to make the males characters tough muscled men. They even cake the make up on women that should not have them. Cassandra for instance, has this black eye shadow on her. I do not know about you but I find the idea of warrior females wearing eye shadow to be laughable. 

 

I do not know where people get the idea that Bioware is company that is trying to be progressive. They are just as bad in promoting stereotypes of unhealthy women with anorexic arms, underfed elves and supermuscle men. I frankly do not see them doing anything positive in this regard. They just pay PR and lip service to this and people like you swallow it and then write condescending notes on "oppressive women beauty standards".

 

Additionally, I am of the opinion that societies must and should have physical standards that both men and women should aspire to. Look around you. I was in North America a while back and by the gods many people there are overweight, obese and have health issues. I am from Asia and that problem is creeping in here as well, no thanks to Western junk food. 

 

In times like this I am of the opinion we should and must promote a healthy standard of beauty of both sexes and to this end, we should look towards the athletes  and exercises and design characters like that as well. 

 

I want women in video games and the men as well to look fit, healthy and beautiful. That is the ideal physical perfection that I push for. I do not think it is wrong or oppressive to push it or to stand for the notion that people need to be fit, healthy and be well groomed. Its sensible.

 

As for "oppressive women beauty standards" what about the ruggedly handsome male mcmuscles ? Never see anyone try to change that trope. We still perpetuate it. No one is actively trying to make women deprogram themselves of it. Hypocrisy is really a funny thing is it not ? 

 

What about the women who find themselves the victim of the brainwashing to idealize tough handsome rugged men ? Ah, but they are women, not straight men so that is apparently okay.

 

People like you are narrow minded simpletons who think that only straight men have problems and that only straight men's views caused this oppressive women beauty standards and therefore straight men are somehow defected creatures that need deprogramming.

 

People like me on the other hand see that there are problems with humans and if we want to address them, we must address them equally. If Bioware wanted to challenge the traditional romantic tropes, they should have done so across the board and not use the straight male demographic as some guinea pig.

 

I am all for the main male love interest being a butch Tsundere religious woman if and only if the main straight male love interest get the same treatment of unconventionality. Blackwall is a rugged, good looking and very masculine. He has the traits women on average find attractive. Moreover, in't it funny how Cassandra has scars but Blackwall's and Cullen's face are so clean even though from their backstories they have been through plenty of shite ?

 

Mhmmm, the stench of hypocrisy, you have to love it. Scars on the female warrior but smooth clean faces on the male warriors who had gone through tough battles. 

 

Ah but women are victims and men are faulty creatures that need deprogramming ! 

 

That is my biggest issue with this. The double standard. 

[Dapper Pomegranate]

lol

[Rykoth]

I am a straight male gamer.

 

So. I'm playing as a human male. I'm romancing Josie. I love her.

 

My next playthrough will be a Qunari Female. And she'll Ride the Bull.

 

I have no problem one day romancing Dorian or a MaleQuisitor. Why?

 

Because the story is good. Dorian's already a permanent party member of mine!

 

Nobody's pandering or ignoring.

 

It's just how the characters are. And I find Cassandra is quite beautiful. I may like longer hair on womenfolk, but that doesn't make her ugly because she's short haired!

[Reeltempting]

Dear SetSailForFail,

 

I am a straight male and in complete agreement with you. In my canon playthrough, that is to say the playthrough that I would make the decisions and choices that I would make myself, meaning I roleplay as myself, I did not pick any love interest for my character since Dragon Age 2. For the simple reason that none of the romanceable female characters were appealing to me personally. 

 

DAI romance is even more disappointing thant DA2 because all the love interests in game are nothing but trophies to be earned and a pixelated ideal to be pleased. There is no chance for equal relationship in DA:I. The followers and advisers never try to make it clear that they are interested in you, they never initiate anything with you and the never give anything to you.

 

In DAO, followers who are interested in your Warden will change their dialogue, attempt to initiate a relationship and give you gifts. Morrigan becomes girlishly cute, Leliana fumbles with her words, Zevran becomes more committed and Alistair becomes a hopeless romantic. Morrigan gives you a ring, Alistair a rose and Zevran gives you earrings. 

 

In DAI you Inquisitor has to do everything from flirting to romance initiation to gift giving. The romances felt awfully one sided. I thought Bioware set out to make them more realistic but they are not, the romances in the game turn out to be your being a hopeless puppy dog trying to please and flirt with a particular love interest and like some metaphorical god receiving their subjects' adoration, at some point, they accept your romance advances.

 

It is frankly pathetic.

 

Like you, I prefer Morrigan and hardened Leliana. 

 

However, since this is a roleplaying game, I do roleplay other characters with their own set of personalities who I do involve in the romances. 

 

Having said that, I doubt you will effect anything here since when it comes to straight males, BSN automatically spews shame, dismissal and disregard. It is odd and hypocritical, given that they expect us to care about other sexualities but they never extend the same courtesy. 

 

This is exactly to the point.  Well thought out reply to the initial post thank you for that.

I think where the initial poster got off was to skew it to a specific sexual preference.  The Romances in DA:I are flat, exceptionally so over DA:O.  I am a straight male gamer and played through both as a male Warden and female Warden.  The romances for both sides were rather deep (for a video game) and I felt had some effort placed into them.  Witty banter, the NPC's also having to concede at times and it wasn't a one way street of PC chasing NPC all the way through.  Here it's kinda a "click and go" and are rewarded with some nice dialogue, where in DA:O there was a sense of the romance deepening, some hot sexy action (especially after modding it if that was your thing) etc.

Again, I see that the poster specifically declared that (from a point of view)  "There aren't enough hot chicks to "mac" dude!", and hence the over sensitive flames back at him.  Perhaps, he deserved some of them. I think it does us all a disservice though to dismiss disappointment in the romance complexity as it may give off the wrong impression to the game devs that we don't care about this portion of the game, when, as people have implied with their "omfg this thread again"...there are clearly many players who do care, and it could cost $$$ as they move elsewhere for their wish fulfillment.

I totally reject that concept of someone playing at home can actually take joy that some other poor sap who they have never met is aggravated over a lack of a feature.  I mean really, lol, take a step back and think about that...if that is you..."middle management" is like  as good as it will ever get for you, unless you rise up and accept "to each their own" and rejoice in that, know that in other countries, that it not how it is.  Every time you hear an idiot be an idiot, rejoice, in other places they are killed not for being an idiot but for not agreeing with the "powers that be", it's no joke people.

Each player is TOTALLY VALIDATED in their wishes in what they want in a video game...it is the quintessential wish fulfillment form of entertainment after all.  If you can't get it out of a video game...I mean really, the devs are doing a poor job, because anything is doable in the digital world...THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS RIGHT.  And inside of this conversation there is a solution to make everyone happy...don't romance if that isn't your thing, or, have options to romance to your persuasion.  THE END.  For some D-Bag to sit out there and take exception that someone else isn't getting their wish fulfilled is pretty petty, and by "pretty Petty" I mean WTF is wrong with you?  I'm really sorry that you feel persecuted out there in the real world.  Try to take on that there are a LOT of straight men who want some cool sex in their games AND, totally HATE idiots who "cat call", and have disdain for those who do not have manners.

I wish you all the best.

+1 for more sex in video games, whatever the sexual preference, its the 21st century, I'm all good with it so long as it is making everyone happy.
 

[Ryriena]

Zevran becomes more committed?
 
Sounds like someone didn't play DA2~

cough that was a bug cough

[Hector535]

im straight and it doesn't mean that im playing as straight men only lol... Be creative play as someone else

[sunnydxmen]

 

pretty please with thanks giving on stop.

[General TSAR]

I think Cass and Josie are great

 

/thread

What he said. 

[Kalaxus]

totally agree with Op, Straight Male options are terrible.  With the ME series I enjoyed almost all the romance options male or female. But here first thing I notice is that Cass has the worst Barber in Ferelden, whoever did her hair needs to be executed for his butchery.  Then I notice her judgey and general poor attitude and it's like okay definitely won't be doing anything with her! where's the next party member choice? oh wait there isn't one god damn it. Gonna have to roll up a female and see if I can stomach Sol's personality, even though he looks like Dolby's father. Rest of the list just looks awful.  Disappointed Bioware, the relationships are usually what I look forward to most in your games

[Deanna]

Well I just want to add, I have finally begun a romance with the iron bull as a female Qunari..ahem #ridethebull ...tho I have to say I was a little disappointed but still smile worthy. Can't wait to start my next play through and pursue a romance with Cullen

[Vapaa]

*looks back to the olden days where women/LGBT were told to shut up about their lack of romances cause "it's not was it's about"*

 

*nasty smug*

[Seraphim24]

Personally I feel Bioware kind of jumped the shark with DA:2, and now that the founders are gone and all that I don't you can expect every game to be like DA:O. Honestly you hold Leliana up in that game and I'd be very meh on her overall.

 

So... maybe just chalk it up to not everything is always going to be perfect? Honestly I don't think the male options are any better for the most part I'd say lots of characters don't strike me as very fun to be around. Consequently, I'm not sure your dissatisfaction is because of some particular vindictiveness against straight males.

 

I'd say it's probably because the people that make characters and stuff/artists/etc. just aren't as good anymore. I doubt they were like "hey, I know, lets make a crap character." Yeah man, and lets tell the artists to design her to suck also!

[Carmen_Willow]

Laugh is it bad that I think this is good for the ladies since at least you can have ME3 for your seven woman LI. Oh well!

 Yeah and the only really neat guy in ME3 is totally gay and unavailable to the ladies - that sucked! I really liked Steve, he was a great guy **sigh**

[Carmen_Willow]

I have to say that so far, Cullen is everything I hoped he would be! Don't know who wrote him, but I'd kiss their cheek for his character! Hope he stays that way throughout the game.

[webbedfeet]

Are you guys kidding?

Cassandra is so gorgeous and cute, I wish I could lesbian romance her. (I normally play as male characters, by the way.) Yes, she did seem gruff and boring 'soldier woman fanatic' at first, but if you bother to talk to her, you'll see her girly side. Come on, you guys romanced Morrigan, you know this drill about appearances and first impressions! And Josephine is adorable and adorable and so pretty my mouth was open the first time I met her. And yes, I also romanced Morrigan and preferred Hardened Leliana to unhardened.

Obviously they appeal to some people. But maybe not you. Bioware just have never done one-size-fits-all. As much as I absolutely love and adore Morrigan, I wouldn't want to see a repeat of her character. More variety is better. LI's aren't always to your taste, and they have no business needing to be so. Exactly none of the DA2 romances were to my tastes, heck, although I had fun romancing all of them anyway. And then there's all the way back to BG2 and KOTOR....

(I romance both sexes despite not being interested in romances IRL because my character =/= me, by the way. Yes, I am aware of and respect people who play games as themselves, we've got our own playing styles. But whenever this topic comes up there's this general assumption that EVERYONE must play according to their own sexual orientations. Straight girls only wanting to see straight girl romances and so on and so forth. So I figure I should mention this, just so you know where I'm standing and what may give me biases.)

 

tl;dr, some people didn't like either Morrigan or Leliana back in DA:O (at first sight, the bad practical girl : good idealistic girl dichotomy), some people didn't like either Isabela or Merrill back in DA2 (at first sight, the virgin and the wh*re dichotomy), and some people didn't like Cassandra or Josie in DA:I (at first sight, the tomboy and the lady dichotomy). It just means this time it's your turn to deal with it.

As for the amount of romances straight ladies get.......well, I think it's about time they get some recompense for all the Grand Shafting they've been getting over the years.

[AWTEW]

Uh what the f*** are you on about ? 
 
Oppressive Ideal physical perfection ?
 
My ideal physical perfection of the human female in fantasy is Diana of Themyscira / Wonder Woman. 
 
In real life, my ideal physical perfection of the human females are female athletes. 
 
These are not societies idea of female physical perfection, as far as I am aware of. Societies like supermodel thin women with skinny body and skinny hands. Ironically, Bioware is doing this to their female characters. All their female characters, across different games have supermodel thin hands. The Elves of both sexes in the past 2 DA games look anorexic and underfed. At the same time Bioware continues to make the males characters tough muscled men. They even cake the make up on women that should not have them. Cassandra for instance, has this black eye shadow on her. I do not know about you but I find the idea of warrior females wearing eye shadow to be laughable. 
 
I do not know where people get the idea that Bioware is company that is trying to be progressive. They are just as bad in promoting stereotypes of unhealthy women with anorexic arms, underfed elves and supermuscle men. I frankly do not see them doing anything positive in this regard. They just pay PR and lip service to this and people like you swallow it and then write condescending notes on "oppressive women beauty standards".
 
Additionally, I am of the opinion that societies must and should have physical standards that both men and women should aspire to. Look around you. I was in North America a while back and by the gods many people there are overweight, obese and have health issues. I am from Asia and that problem is creeping in here as well, no thanks to Western junk food. 
 
In times like this I am of the opinion we should and must promote a healthy standard of beauty of both sexes and to this end, we should look towards the athletes  and exercises and design characters like that as well. 
 
I want women in video games and the men as well to look fit, healthy and beautiful. That is the ideal physical perfection that I push for. I do not think it is wrong or oppressive to push it or to stand for the notion that people need to be fit, healthy and be well groomed. Its sensible.
 
As for "oppressive women beauty standards" what about the ruggedly handsome male mcmuscles ? Never see anyone try to change that trope. We still perpetuate it. No one is actively trying to make women deprogram themselves of it. Hypocrisy is really a funny thing is it not ? 
 
What about the women who find themselves the victim of the brainwashing to idealize tough handsome rugged men ? Ah, but they are women, not straight men so that is apparently okay.
 
People like you are narrow minded simpletons who think that only straight men have problems and that only straight men's views caused this oppressive women beauty standards and therefore straight men are somehow defected creatures that need deprogramming.
 
People like me on the other hand see that there are problems with humans and if we want to address them, we must address them equally. If Bioware wanted to challenge the traditional romantic tropes, they should have done so across the board and not use the straight male demographic as some guinea pig.
 
I am all for the main male love interest being a butch Tsundere religious woman if and only if the main straight male love interest get the same treatment of unconventionality. Blackwall is a rugged, good looking and very masculine. He has the traits women on average find attractive. Moreover, in't it funny how Cassandra has scars but Blackwall's and Cullen's face are so clean even though from their backstories they have been through plenty of shite ?
 
Mhmmm, the stench of hypocrisy, you have to love it. Scars on the female warrior but smooth clean faces on the male warriors who had gone through tough battles. 
 
Ah but women are victims and men are faulty creatures that need deprogramming ! 
 
That is my biggest issue with this. The double standard.

Right, I forgot the big bad west is forcing asia to eat their junk food. Pfft, as for sociteys needing pysical standards, lets look how well that has worked in the past for Asia. Footbindings, people who had birthmarks on their face being treated like demons, and often killed.

People are brainwashed everyday, by goverments and especially the media. As for pysical standard brainwashing, a large percentage of males are brainwashed by porn, (it is proven to affect the brain just like illicet drugs do) and they are manipulated by marketed visual imagery that it becomes standard and imposed on women.

Having pysical standards set by society, would have very grave consequences.