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[Muspade]

Still interested In Sera as a straight male but I've heard being male, and straight at the same time gives an advantage to everyone but you.

I will cope.

[Steelcan]

Wait, so I can't complain that I don't particularly care for the romance options because male privilege?

 

It prevents me from having an opinion of pixels and recorded lines?

 

Seriously?

[Rannik]

That's because I don't care how much he thinks everyone's out to get him by not providing him with enough romance options.

His point sucks.

 

If you don't care I don't understand why you feel like posting in the first place, let alone quote him for a stupid cheeky remark.

[TheJediSaint]

Ah, I see this thread as progress to the "Complaining about complaints," stage.

[King Dragonlord]

 

Honestly, one more topic like that and I'll be glad that "straight male players" don't have sh*t this time, because I've never seen someone whining more then them. 

 

You're right. Straight white men shouldn't express their opinions. 

 

This wouldn't be a problem if they did what Skyrim does and just let you pick from any of the romance options no matter what gender or race you are. Why is that so horrible? What does it really add to the game to have these characters have explicitly declared sexualities? Its not like there's any sexual preference discrimination in this series (At least there hasn't been in the first two and what I've played in the third so far.)

[Rannik]

Ah, I see this thread as progress to the "Complaining about complaints," stage.

 

If you were referring to my last post, that was really not complain.

 

I'm just genuinely curious about the logic behind ridiculing other people for having a different point of view, especially when you're trying to position yourself as the tolerant one.

[Sully13]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=3YnQdBD2y64

[BlacJAC74]

I'm glad they've regressed in the romance dept this time around.  Some people seem more concerned about the romance arc in the last few BioWare games than they are with the adventuring/discovery side of the games and it was beginning to show in-game.  Couldn't have a conversation or build a good rapport with your squadmates without having some sort of intimate relationship thrown in you face, and if you wanted to avoid the whole romance side of the games, your character had no alternative but to act like a douche (as the Americans say) at some point or another.

[King Dragonlord]

So you do not want to see a repeat of her character...Yet raise no issue about Cullen who is essentially Alistair 2.0 without the monarchy crap and Blackwall who is the third male Grey Warden romance we have had...

 

Somehow you never mention the need to not a repeat there...Funny...

 

What Grand Shafting have these straight ladies been getting from Bioware ? This is a Bioware game. As I recall, we have always had romance options that were relatively equal in regards to both sexes and these romance options always appealed to the average men and women in a Bioware game...

 

Seriously, what Grand Shafting have women been getting in the video game industry that is sufficient enough to make a company who is supposedly for equality try to push forward an agenda of double standards ? Women still get their buff hot male characters,  women had strong female characters like Bayonetta, Lara, etc...Women get to buy the games men buy, at the same price...

 

I'm split on this. 

Women have been getting fair treatment from Bioware in every game I've played (and I've played all of them except Jade Empire, its on my to do list).

 

But they most certainly haven't been getting that treatment from the industry as a whole. I don't think that's a great evil, but the demographics now warrant their being more available for both men and women (on the whole anyway, there are still variations among genres.)

 

And I'm very much against seeing judgment about that laid down on an individual game like this. Why? Because I still want to play my "Dead or Alives" and my Bayonettas. If we shame every single game that isn't perfectly balanced, thats going to go both ways. Thats something recent outspoken feminists have been guilty of as well and if I'm going to ask them to cut that out, then that needs to go both ways.

 

So I'm going to ask you to cut it out as well. Take one for the team. Yes this is a game that seems to pander a little more towards its female base than its male one. Let them have it. Thats the way forward. The more of these we let them have, the less ground they'll have to stand on when we play our Dragon's Crowns and XBlades. And, I hope, the less they'll care to complain about those other games in the first place (outside of a persistent but marginal group of sex negative feminists.) 

 

EDIT: Besides, Morrigan? Really? Well takes all kinds I guess. I like girls with morals and character personally. I can't imagine being able to sleep at night if Morrigan was sharing my bed. I'll never understand the guys who prefer the Veronicas over the Bettys. 

[Freygea]

Can we start a bingo card?

 

So far I got:

 

-not enough options for straight dudes

-Sera hate

-"JOSEPHINE'S UGLY/BORING"

-"Origins was better"

 

 

Let's play Jeopardy instead.

 

I will take "not enough options for straight dudes" for 1200 hundred. 

[jellobell]

I just came across this yesterday! "After hitting a low hanging door frame." I was laughing so hard at the different comments that were left at each one.

Same here. As soon as I saw it I thought, "and it looks like I've found my new favourite facepalm image."

[Chewy]

Didn't read whole thread.... But... Ummm how long pps intend to complain about this?
Plus... IB is m/f and Josephine is M/f romance....

[Chernaya]

I'm very much enjoying my romance so far.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I'm split on this. 

Women have been getting fair treatment from Bioware in every game I've played (and I've played all of them except Jade Empire, its on my to do list).

 

But they most certainly haven't been getting that treatment from the industry as a whole. I don't think that's a great evil, but the demographics now warrant their being more available for both men and women (on the whole anyway, there are still variations among genres.)

 

And I'm very much against seeing judgment about that laid down on an individual game like this. Why? Because I still want to play my "Dead or Alives" and my Bayonettas. If we shame every single game that isn't perfectly balanced, thats going to go both ways. Thats something recent outspoken feminists have been guilty of as well and if I'm going to ask them to cut that out, then that needs to go both ways.

 

So I'm going to ask you to cut it out as well. Take one for the team. Yes this is a game that seems to pander a little more towards its female base than its male one. Let them have it. Thats the way forward. The more of these we let them have, the less ground they'll have to stand on when we play our Dragon's Crowns and XBlades. And, I hope, the less they'll care to complain about those other games in the first place (outside of a persistent but marginal group of sex negative feminists.) 

 

EDIT: Besides, Morrigan? Really? Well takes all kinds I guess. I like girls with morals and character personally. I can't imagine being able to sleep at night if Morrigan was sharing my bed. I'll never understand the guys who prefer the Veronicas over the Bettys. 

 

The "take one for the team" argument is one of chivalry and tradition. Traditional conservative men and naive men do such things. I am a modern man and for me things chivalry and taking one for someone else is dead and dusted. 

 

So I am not taking one for anybody. I do not and have not expected women to take one for me and as such I extend them the same courtesy. It's called equality. 

 

This is a game that is theoretically made by a company that spouts the line of equality. A game that costs around 90 bucks in my place. So I expect the company to deliver on that, not to pander to a particular demographic because of some delusional self guilt over games and products they did not make. Up until DAI, Bioware's DA games have been fair and equal. Why ruin what is good ?

 

Additionally, I primarily play RPGs on PC. I do not play Dragon Crowns and XBlades.  Plus, women have always gotten their share of tough, well built,muscular, masculine, rugged men in video games since the dawn of time. Don't see you saying that women should take one for the team and stop this male objectification ? Most of the enemies we fight and kill in video games are men. That would in some way perpetuate the men-are-bad-and-evil stereotype but hey, that's nothing, that's male tears. Women are the perpetual victims. 

 

See, here's the thing. I am for genuine equality. If Bioware wants to have only two unconventional male love interests, then I expect them to have two unconventional female love interests as well. If Bioware wants to have two traditionally attractive female love interests, then they must have two traditionally attractive male love interest. It is a rather simple thing and funny thing is it was in DAO. 

 

As for Morrigan, I like people who are what they are. Morrigan is amoral and she does not hide what she is. She does not use religious bullshite to appear to be some holier-than-thou person.

[King Dragonlord]

This isn't an argument made out of chivalry I promise you. Its an argument made for variety. I want variety because it means the industry sometimes makes a game that's perfect for me.

 

And I do indeed ask the same of women. Its just that they hAve been putting up with it and mostly being good sports about it (outside a few shrill corners and this recent culture war)

 

I don't want to reward the whiners, I want to reward those who have been and continue to be nice, charitable, and patient as the industry slowly adjusts to meet them (and thankfully they have been whether it's acknowledged or not)

 

Besides, if you're really playing these games for the romance you're never gonna get your money's worth. It's such a small part of the game.

 

I do find it concerning that you think all nice girls are phonies but if you want to date someone who was raised to lure men to their deaths, who am I to stop you?

[Tytelr]

Oh that's complete BS. It's not just the video game industry that has beautiful women. It's TV shows, movies, even books generally describe their characters as good looking. When was the last time you read a book with an overweight main character? Seriously. When we engage in fantasy stories we don't want to have to see ugly characters. RPG games have always been like watching movies or reading books, only we get to choose some of the actions along the way.

It's no wonder that people are balking at the ugly women we have to chose from. It takes away from the enjoyment of the story. You can take some morally superior high road that makes you feel special, but it's dumb. People are looking for attractive people in their escapes from reality. We're not looking for more reality.

The amount of eye rollage I've experienced while reading all these posts from people defending the use of ugly characters is staggering.

This post disgusts me.

"We don't want to see ugly characters in our games blah blah . . ."

You can't seriously be this freaking shallow, right? Wow, like I feel like I need to vomit and then bathe for a weak to clean myself of such a terribly disgusting statement.

[King Dragonlord]

This post disgusts me.

"We don't want to see ugly characters in our games blah blah . . ."

You can't seriously be this freaking shallow, right? Wow, like I feel like I need to vomit and then bathe for a weak to clean myself of such a terribly disgusting statement.

 

I don't think its that they dislike plain and ugly people in real life. Its just that we like our escapist fantasy. I'm a fat guy in real like. I'd much prefer to be a lean or beefy guy in game and to have romances with women who would normally be way out of my league. Nothing wrong with that as long as it stays in the fantasy world.

[Tytelr]

I don't think its that they dislike plain and ugly people in real life. Its just that we like our escapist fantasy. I'm a fat guy in real like. I'd much prefer to be a lean or beefy guy in game and to have romances with women who would normally be way out of my league. Nothing wrong with that as long as it stays in the fantasy world.

But it doesn't stay in the fantasy world, or it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

[OG Swift]

If you can evolve romance with Josephine, I am fine with that. Well, I miss Leliana from DAO but she's weird here anyways.

 

Still - 2 options are quite few possibilities for a Bioware game.

[King Dragonlord]

But it doesn't stay in the fantasy world, or it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

 

Here's where I absolutely draw the line. We're not animals, we are absolutely capable of making our own distinctions about these things. I know, I've seen the studies that supposedly claim otherwise and the methods are suspect, the evidence weak. 

 

Its already been thoroughly debunked when it comes to violence in video games. As responsible scientists come to tackle the problem the same will be found with sexuality in video games too. Violence and sexual assault have been on the decline per capita even as sexualization and violence in video games and other media have been on the rise. It seems like theirs more these days but thats just because we're hearing about it. 

[King Dragonlord]

If you can evolve romance with Josephine, I am fine with that. Well, I miss Leliana from DAO but she's weird here anyways.

 

Still - 2 options are quite few possibilities for a Bioware game.

 

I'm not that far in but I like this whole "Crisis of Faith" arc with her. I really like how Dragon Age as a whole deals with religion (and I say this as someone who is religious myself). It would be easy to be faithful in most RPG universes because there's all kinds of evidence of the gods all over the place. But we don't ever get to see the Maker. Thats what real faith is like. And its easy to get bitter about it when bad things happen. I know I've struggled with that.

[garrusfan1]

I wish male inquisitors got more LI's but it's not a huge deal. I am on my first playthrough and my male qunari mage is romancing cass and it isn't bad. Then again I can play as a female character and be with male LI's so it's not a big deal. I have never played a male gay character but it's nothing personal. I like dorian and I liked steve from ME3.

[Killdren88]

If it's not people of different orientations or genders complaining its straight men....the cycle continues.

[garrusfan1]

I'm not that far in but I like this whole "Crisis of Faith" arc with her. I really like how Dragon Age as a whole deals with religion (and I say this as someone who is religious myself). It would be easy to be faithful in most RPG universes because there's all kinds of evidence of the gods all over the place. But we don't ever get to see the Maker. Thats what real faith is like. And its easy to get bitter about it when bad things happen. I know I've struggled with that.

I liked that too. Even religous people sometimes have crisis of face when faced with such a huge personal loss. Then she has to become a spymaster and get labeled a heretic and have to have the stress of being a spy master on top of everything. I just got skyhold but so far I like her arc.

[Tytelr]

Here's where I absolutely draw the line. We're not animals, we are absolutely capable of making our own distinctions about these things. I know, I've seen the studies that supposedly claim otherwise and the methods are suspect, the evidence weak.

Its already been thoroughly debunked when it comes to violence in video games. As responsible scientists come to tackle the problem the same will be found with sexuality in video games too. Violence and sexual assault have been on the decline per capita even as sexualization and violence in video games and other media have been on the rise. It seems like theirs more these days but thats just because we're hearing about it.

What does this have to do with people complaining that their romance options are ugly? My intent was to point out the some people are already flawed because they want in video games what is considered beautiful by media. Hence the guy said "as long as it sticks to video games, no problem." The problem is that it continues to influence that idealized beauty.

But I'm mostly just salty because I like my men heavier and because of mass media, it's hilariously difficult to find potential partners that aren't affected by society telling them they aren't beautiful everyday of their lives.

It's comments like "my romance options are ugly," that perpetuate this attitude that love interests not only in games, but real life must fit this idealized beauty.