I've got a feeling it might be bugged. I did the operation to support Vivienne for Divine and I'm pretty sure I didn't once 'support' Cassandra but she ended up becoming Divine. It kinda put a whole downer on my ending. Really wanted Vivienne.
Reading on here and also read on youtube that people who didn't even support Vivienne at all had her end up being Divine. eurgh. I WANTED VIVIENE lol
Yeah, I was not happy that Leliana ended up as the Divine for me. I actively discouraged her from it, supported Cassandra, etc. It seems that the vast majority is just from your choices, which I find very, very annoying.
She seems better than expected, based on the epilogue, but still...
In my game Leliana ended up divine though I supported viviene.The rule of leliana is bloody and ruthless. She made great reformation and earned many enemies at same time.
What concerns me more is, that could means she broke the promise to rejoin HoF.
In my game Leliana ended up divine though I supported viviene.The rule of leliana is bloody and ruthless. She made great reformation and earned many enemies at same time.
What concerns me more is, that could means she broke the promise to rejoin HoF.
I think the response is only bloody and ruthless if you choose to kill Natalie in her mission. 
Viv comes in and lots of people immediately rebel because she's a mage. So she puts down the rebellions hard, re-institutes the Circles and the Templars [to the surprise of those who rebelled] with some changes.
Mages have much more authority and leeway within the chantry and the Viv keeps the Templars on a leash that she alone has control over.
I was happy with the first part, Mages given the freedom she herself enjoyed as well as the training that is necessary. The second part I was a bit iffy about, but given DA2 and how the Templars laughed at 'Chantry authority' I ultimately decided it was probably a good thing that they couldn't act without her say-so. No more Templar-run circles deciding for themselves who to make tranquil is a good thing in my book.
In my playthough, Cassandra was made Divine, I would much rather have Leliana be the new Divine, but I also want her to stay with me, as she is key to running the Inqusition and I like her a lot better.
Viv comes in and lots of people immediately rebel because she's a mage. So she puts down the rebellions hard, re-institutes the Circles and the Templars [to the surprise of those who rebelled] with some changes.
Mages have much more authority and leeway within the chantry and the Viv keeps the Templars on a leash that she alone has control over.
I was happy with the first part, Mages given the freedom she herself enjoyed as well as the training that is necessary. The second part I was a bit iffy about, but given DA2 and how the Templars laughed at 'Chantry authority' I ultimately decided it was probably a good thing that they couldn't act without her say-so. No more Templar-run circles deciding for themselves who to make tranquil is a good thing in my book.
Honestly if you are moderate Viv is your best bet surprisingly.
Can anyone confirm how early it sort of determines who your options will and won't be? I am in a very long first playthrough and when I finished Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts it started the whole 'candidates for the next Divine' thing. So far I've only had Cass and Leliana mentioned. Leliana has just offered me her personal quest, but after speaking to Cass and taking the 'crown' option of 'let me know if you want my support' I have an operation on the war table already to support her for Divine. Viv hasn't even been mentioned. Have I completely locked the other two out now via that conversation? Or is it possible for me to unlock them as possibilities still as well? I honestly don't know if I'd prefer Cass or Leliana and I was hoping to be able to talk with them about it more first.
You should be able to use Vivienne post-game even if she's Divine.
I got Leliana as Divine and she was still at the War Table after the game was over. She said they were still making arrangements and she could help the Inquisition in the mean time.
same here supported viv and told lilian no i wouldnt support her and she goes all dark and starts saying i will be the next divine just after the end game and watch who becomes divine i was like she killed everyone to be come it sighs
I think the response is only bloody and ruthless if you choose to kill Natalie in her mission.
nope not even true i spared the mother in her quest and she still became bloody and ruthless
I hate the way that BioWare "allow" us to choose the next Divine. I'm sure that I'm not an exception and no one cares about the chantry dialogues at the first playthrough. At the end of the game we get the illusion of choice to support one of our candidates, but there is a big suprise... I supported Cassandra, even Vivienne told me that Cassandra is the best option and then... I'm ending up forced to choose Vivienne. With no logical reason. Why?! Because my character said something wrong during a 100 hours of playing the game? Seriously?
It's one of the most stupid ways of changing the world of the game. We should... we must be allowed to make our own choices. We can say many bad things to NPCs and they'll start hating us. It's natural and logical. Saying things about the Chantry and being forced to choose the candidate that the game choosed based on our dialogues is against the reality. It's even worse because the game is cheating on us that we have a choice by speaking with Leliana and Cassandra. We are the Inquisitior and it's only up to us which of our girls will be the next Divine. That should be, but it's not, because we are dependent on that what s/he said to someone, someday, somewhere... We are changing the world... yeah!
I'm suprised that I have no hidden power inside me that will force me to kiss another guy, because I told my friend he looks good. o.O
I guess it was fairly easy for me..but I had Cass as divine.
She was a nice balance between Leliana and Vivienne. She brought in reform, but the circles were still intact, with some more freedom, and she created a mage academy for those senior enchanters/grand enchanter fiona. However, it still ended a little ominous since a lot of people didn't care for the change she was bringing
That's why I think that Vivienne is not a bad choice. I'm angry because I was forced to choose her.
I think having Vivienne as Divine is overall a good outcome:
Pros
- She restores the institutions of the Circle, Templar and Chantry to how they once were. I believe that the circle system can work and it is useful in training mages. This system needs rational and sane people on both the mage and Templar side to prevent incidents like Kirkwall.
- A strong Divine on the Sunburst throne can deter influence from the Qunari and Tevinter.
- She has a strong influence on the Templars and this can be interpreted as a good thing. The Templar reputation among the faithful will be bad because they have just rebelled against the chantry. So Vivienne will need to be seen as having control of the Templars to restore this lost confidence.
- She has experience of being a mage in the circle. This will be the first Divine what has had first hand experience of the system.
- Mages are given more freedom.
- She could become an inspiration to mages and the faithful (as she is a connection between the two). This could make people's views change on mages as a whole.
Cons
- She is a mage and this is against Andrastian tradition.
- Rebellions
- A lot of the power is held by her so the system might deteriorate when Vivienne isn't Divine.
Anyway, I got Vivienne as Divine and I am happy at the moment. I got her as Divine by allying with the Templars, exiling wardens and supporting Vivienne at the war table. My attitude was the same as hers pro-chantry and pro-circle.
@MrGDL87
I like the way you explained Viv's reign. What is your opinion about Leliana?
Cliff notes.
Leliana: Major reform, doesn't care if people approve of her changes.
Cassandra: Minor reform, worried about what will happen if she changes too much.
Vivienne: Status quo, of course. It's what benefits her, my dear, and that's all she cares about.
Yeah I haven't gotten anyone other than Cass for divine yet. I am pleased I like her to most as divine anyway.
Plus no worries about rebel mages since I sided with the templars.
@MrGDL87
I like the way you explained Viv's reign. What is your opinion about Leliana?
I love Leliana as a character. I feel she is one of the best developed characters in Dragon Age.
But I couldn't support her as Divine because there is a lot of uncertainty involved. As far as I am aware, Leliana disbands the circle and I feel this is a mistake. Mages need to be trained so that they are capable of seeing their own potential and learn how to improve in a safe environment. I also think this would make the non-mages more suspicious of magic and could lead to mages being persecuted for just being themselves. I have seen no mention of Templars if Leliana is Divine which is also worrying. I believe the chantry needs to be shown leading the Templars to inspire confidence with the people. Thedas has seen much change and I don't think another radical change will stop problems overnight. I believe stability is needed more than anything.
However, there are aspects which I do like with Leliana as Divine such as admitting non-humans into the chantry. The chantry should progress forward with an inclusive attitude.
This is just my opinion. (I probably could have explained it better but I am getting tired 
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Ehh it's not the *old* status quo. Mages seem to have a lot more freedom, whereas the Templars seem to be on a much tighter leash. Of course Viv does benefit the most but it's not exactly the same as it was.Cliff notes.
Leliana: Major reform, doesn't care if people approve of her changes.
Cassandra: Minor reform, worried about what will happen if she changes too much.
Vivienne: Status quo, of course. It's what benefits her, my dear, and that's all she cares about.
I just finished the game and the new Divine is... Cassandra! 
I was able to support Vivienne on the War Table, but it doesn't matter at all. I don't understand.
So I just got to the part of the game where you have the ability to choose a new divine. I found out you can support Cassandra, Leliana, or Vivienne. Can anyone give me some guidance here? The person from the Chantry seemed to say when she first showed up that they would leave your party if they became Divine - that's somewhat disappointing, I want to make Vivienne the Divine but she's a core member of my team.
Also, how does that work if Leliana becomes the Divine? Who becomes the spymaster?
I have the operations open on the War Table - "Support Vivienne" or "Support Cassandra." It says once I support one, I can't support anyone else. So I am afraid of going down this road until I know exactly what happens. If you can get them to stay with you AND make them Divine, that would be ideal for me.
Its based on your mage choices and who became ruler of Orlease. Though you can influence the choice a little bit, those are the two main factors in the choice of a Divine.
Free the Mages, Celene Queen, Briella powerful = Lilly Divine
Reform the chantry, reform the circles, gaspard king = Cassy Divine
Re-establish the Circles, Celene queen, Briella losses = Vivvy Divine
It seems you can influence it a little bit if you don't 100% support one of these causes. so if you're somewhere halfway between free mages, and reform the circles, and gaspard is on the throne, then you'll likely be able to pick from cassy or lilly to become the divine. likewise if you dissolved the templars and want the mage circles reconstructed with gaspard on the throne, you'll likely be able to chose between cassy and vivvy.
but if you're 100% leaning one way (like say free the mages) and you ended the civil war with Celene and Briella the winners, you'll end up with zero input into the choice, and it will be Lilly as divine. (basically the game will let you tiebreak between two options, if your choices were muddled, but if you hard core aligned with the views of one of the contestants, the game will give you zero chance to influence the outcome, because in theory the outcome will = your ideal result anyway, the game also lets you throw in your 2cents if you aren't perfectly alligned, but it seems if you're already heavily aligned toward one of the candidates your choice against that candidate won't matter at all)
~and the new divine doesn't leave to take the throne until after you're done with the game. so you won't lose anyone from your party or advisors.
what if you manage a truce between celene gaspard and briala under the yoke of the inquisition? who's supported for divine then? I didn't realize that was a factor.
I just finished the game and the new Divine is... Cassandra!
I was able to support Vivienne on the War Table, but it doesn't matter at all. I don't understand.
You get extra options for dialogue and war table missions etc. if you choose certain perks, i.e. history, arcane, nobility. In addition to this, sometimes these options come from branching dialogue- so say you don't get into a discussion with Cassandra about her becoming the divine, you may not get the nobility option for her war table mission.
Don't let John Waters know there is a new Divine. Just Sayin'
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