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[Balgin Stondraeg]

Well people, I can report that I've played a few hours of Dragon Age 3 now and I'm really not enjoying it.

 

The controls are a nightmare, really counterrintuitive. The kind of daft controls you'd need for a console based action game instead of any of the previous Dragon Age titles. I often feel that I am fighting the controls. I know exactly what I should be doing and yet cannot do it because of the daft design.

 

The game crashes at every opportunity. It frequently achieves framerates of less than 30 frames per second. In fact the average fps is 24-28 (with dips as low as 8 or 9). The first time it crashed was at the end of the character creation (without autosaving). It managed to crash 3 times in the first hour.

 

They've made it look very pretty, questionable art style 'though. A lot of effort's gone into creating this blue haired monstrousity but it seems in pretty bad taste. I'm honestly not sure if I can enjoy this game that forces me to click for every separate attack. It's a nightmare and I'm seriously considering asking for my money back.

 

At this point it would be like one of those crappy jrpgs in which you only endure the god awful gameplay mechanics for the occassional cutscenes and bits of story. In this case I'm not sure it's worth the hassle. I'd be missing out on Bioware's great writing but if they thought that inflicting such painfully terrible gameplay upon their pc customers was a wise decision I fear they are very much mistaken.

 

I hasten to add that the terrible framerate I've been experiencing is on the default settings it has assigned to my computer. I haven't jacked them up or anything. Haven't changed anything at all yet. I'll probably start tweaking options soon to see if I can improve things but my main problem here is not the crashes or any framerate issues. It's the fact that it feels so completely divorced from how any of the previous titles actually played. It does not feel like a Dragon Age game to me.

 

Now I need to decide if the story is worth suffering this awful experience or if I have to, in all good conscience, simply stop playing it and accept that this game is probably simply not for me. Unlike all it's predecessors.

[suliabryon]

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

[shubnabub]

Get a refund. Vote with your dollar and maybe they will change things / add optional pc style settings.

[shubnabub]

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

The return window and the time the first patch will take to come out are vastly different timeframes, and there is 0 guarantee they'll do more than make the minimum of tweaks because they "believe in" the changes they've made to the interface. 

[aMetzgermeister]

What kind of system are you running? You can't expect to have decent framerate is your pc cant handle it

[HozzMidnight]

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

 

These are the same devs who have been blowing smoke of the collective ass of the PC customers for months/years? now about how this game was gonna be.  These are the same devs who took this game gold 3 weeks ago and have nothing, beyond a weak-sauce "We're listening to you!" post.  What, exactly, are they working on and when will it be ready?  They knew about the problems.  An actual PC gamer needs 15 minutes in this game to come up with 15 things that should have been fixed/changed prior to release.

This guy gets it http://www.incgamers...ort-impressions

[Balgin Stondraeg]

Get a refund. Vote with your dollar and maybe they will change things / add optional pc style settings.

 

You mean vote with my pound, sterling. Like many of my fellow countrymen I had to pay an inflated price and wait an extra day after my Swedish and Romanian friends had got their hands on it.

 

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

 

You know, I'm doing that now. I was so incensed that I had to come to the Bioware forums and make my post before reading any discouraging positiveness that might have put me off. I want to love this game. I want people to persuade me that it's worth sticking with. I want to have autoattack in tactics mode instead of having to hold the mouse button down on my enemy while zoomed all the way out.

 

I want this game to be a pc rpg like Origins and DA2 were. Unfortunately it feels too much like an action game for me at the moment. You know what? I don't play many games like that. When I do I approach them with different expectations. It's a different kind of fun. Of course here I came fully expecting a lovely Bioware roleplaying game in the tradition of the Dragon Age series.

 

I don't see this as them spitting in my eye. I see this like the comics, the novels, the Cassandra anime they did. It's a different way of sharing the Dragon Age experience with a broader kind of fan base. I just wish they'd been a bit more honest about conveying the fact that it would be more of an action game and would be a rather different kind of experience to what all the loyal fans were used to. You know. The loyal fans who'd probably prefer Bioware continued making more of the same. There's no point blaming them for wanting to do something different. It's just not neccessarily the kind of different that many of us would appreciate.

[Alamanzor]

100% agree with OP. Currently my only role in the battle seems to be holding the left mouse button and observing. Tactical view makes me want to alt+f4, it's so bad. To be honest i forced myself through the few hours that i did play it, felt so good to exit it, i'm not sure i ever want to start it up again. Might play DA:Origins again instead. ****** disappointing.
Thought i even heard the words "more like origins" somewhere. What BS
I feel like i threw away my money. I didn't buy directly from origins ( stupid me), so i can't even get a refund. If you can get one, you should.

[Balgin Stondraeg]

What kind of system are you running? You can't expect to have decent framerate is your pc cant handle it

 

You know, that's a good question.

 

Off the top of my head .....

 

Gigabyte motherboard,

GA-MA74GMT-S2

 

Amd Athlon ™ II x4 630 processor (x4)

 

NVidia GeForce GTX 560Ti

 

I'll see what else I can dig out for you (something in my memory about 4 sticks of DDR ram giving about 20 gigs of Ram but I could be mistaken). Essentially this is less about any graphical & system computer problems than it is about the way they've designed the controls and the gameplay in the first place. It simply doesn't feel like playing a Dragon Age game for me. It's so different it feels strange and is going to take a lot of getting used to.

[Balgin Stondraeg]

Oh, one other thing.

 

When the game crashes it crashes hard. I can't escape back to the desktop unless I have some other window open in the background which I can alt tab to. If I haven't taken that precaution then my only hope is to hit the manual reboot button on the front of my pc or to (even worse) do something drastic such as rip the power cable out the back of it.

 

Obviously such drastic actions are not healthy for my poor machine.

[cardinalally]

There have been a lot of issues with NVidia cards.  I think a driver is supposed to be released soon.  If it is a problem with your GPU driver its not really biowares fault but Nvidia.  AMD released a new driver on the 17th.  Without it ppl reported a lot of similar problems, poor framerate and crashes.  But once they downloaded it, those issues cleared up.  Hope there is a fix for you.

 

Also about the PC controls...they are wonky to say the least.  I've been able to work around it and still find the game enjoyable, but yeah we need to be able to zoom out further.  

[lastpawn]

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

 

It's crazy to you that people are expecting the product they buy to work out of the box rather than buy it first and then wait for it to be fixed?

 

OK...

[Wifeaggro]

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

Ya that theory is good for the MMO genre. this is a single player game that is the third in it's franchise. From a developer that consistently put out subperb products up until a couple years ago. this is definately the catalyst that solidified BW 's company direction Post EA aquisistion. Console RPG's are the way they are going. unfortunately they dont know how to make a game that translates well to both. Skyrim is a clear example of done right for both. DAO was a clear example of a great middle ground. this .... is a horrible PC experience class customization gutted and dumbed down. PC UI interface is so clunky, Party AI so bad , and tactics so poorly implemented its more an exercise in anger management then a game.

[Lord Raijin]

You know, that's a good question.

 

Off the top of my head .....

 

Gigabyte motherboard,

GA-MA74GMT-S2

 

Amd Athlon ™ II x4 630 processor (x4)

 

NVidia GeForce GTX 560Ti

 

I'll see what else I can dig out for you (something in my memory about 4 sticks of DDR ram giving about 20 gigs of Ram but I could be mistaken). Essentially this is less about any graphical & system computer problems than it is about the way they've designed the controls and the gameplay in the first place. It simply doesn't feel like playing a Dragon Age game for me. It's so different it feels strange and is going to take a lot of getting used to.

 

You may want to upgrade your graphics card.

[Insomniak]

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

 

That's just it though, we shouldn't have to wait. I'm not an impatient person, but honestly we shouldn't have to deal with this when we're paying 60+ USD for what should be a polished product (considering they already delayed the release once). Is it so unrealistic to expect for something to work out of the box? The game should not have even been released in such a state. And it's not just BioWare, but Ubisoft too (Unity was a train wreck of bugs - going on patch 3 barely a week after release). Devs are really dropping the ball with these next-gen titles.... It makes me sad.

 

I'm not saying the game is bad, or even unplayable, but I feel like I'm fighting the controls more than the lyrium-crazed templars. And that takes away a lot of entertainment value.

[AlanC9]

I want this game to be a pc rpg like Origins and DA2 were. Unfortunately it feels too much like an action game for me at the moment. You know what? I don't play many games like that. When I do I approach them with different expectations. It's a different kind of fun. Of course here I came fully expecting a lovely Bioware roleplaying game in the tradition of the Dragon Age series.
 

My impression from dev chatter is that they don't draw this distinction. That is, they don't really think that actiony combat = non-Dragon-Age. If I'm right about that, some of us are probably better off returning the game.

[Balgin Stondraeg]

You may want to upgrade your graphics card.

 

While that's an excellent suggestion I honestly can't afford to do that for at least 6 months. probably 3 or 4 years. I got that graphics card something like the January before last as a major compensation for having to replace or upgrade other stuff. I had to completely replace the motherboard as it had physically snapped, the power supply unit, one or two fans and some other things. Spending an equal amount of money on a relatively brand spanking new graphics card made me feel better at the time. I'm still saving up to offset what it cost me now.

 

Thanks for the suggestion 'though. I'll bear it in mind. Once again I'd like to remind people that I'm more concerned about how unpleasant and unnaturally clunky the controls feel than I am with any technical issues. Technical issues can be fixed. Bad controls are a lot less likely to be improved or replaced.

[Balgin Stondraeg]

That's just it though, we shouldn't have to wait. I'm not an impatient person, but honestly we shouldn't have to deal with this when we're paying 60+ USD for what should be a polished product (considering they already delayed the release once). Is it so unrealistic to expect for something to work out of the box? The game should not have even been released in such a state. And it's not just BioWare, but Ubisoft too (Unity was a train wreck of bugs - going on patch 3 barely a week after release). Devs are really dropping the ball with these next-gen titles.... It makes me sad.

 

I'm not saying the game is bad, or even unplayable, but I feel like I'm fighting the controls more than the lyrium-crazed templars. And that takes away a lot of entertainment value.

 

£59.99

 

That's roughly $90. And we got to wait an extra 3 days for the game to be released for the priveledge of paying such a premium price too.

[Balgin Stondraeg]

My impression from dev chatter is that they don't draw this distinction. That is, they don't really think that actiony combat = non-Dragon-Age. If I'm right about that, some of us are probably better off returning the game.

 

I would if I hadn't missed the deadline by a few hours. You know, the one they hid in the fine print.

 

We can return the game within 2 weeks of placing the order. Sure. That's ncie and relaxed. Within a week of it's being released? Yep. Within 24 hours of first booting it up?

 

Oh bother. If there hadn't been so many crashes and it hadn't been such a buggy mess then I could have formed an opinion on the controls within those first 24 hours. If I'm going to master these god awful controls then it will take a lot longer than that and it's hard to remember that little 24hr stipulation while ranting and raving and screaming at a featureless black screen and feeling a strong desire to smash and hurl things.

 

I did not eventually smash or hurl anything but I seriously wanted to.

 

So now I'm stuck with a seemingly unenjoyable overpriced piece of ....... I'm sure there's an appropriate word to describe it, I'm sure you can imagine your own, no need to type them here  . The challenge is going to be discovering if I can find a way to enjoy this experience despite the controls. I'm not sure I'll be able to.

[metatheurgist]

My impression from dev chatter is that they don't draw this distinction. That is, they don't really think that actiony combat = non-Dragon-Age. If I'm right about that, some of us are probably better off returning the game.

My position has always been that RPGs and action games are mutually exclusive. I think DA:I just dropped this bomb on everyone else.

[Lethys1]

Have you read the gazillion other posts about PC issues, and the announcement from Bio Ware stating they are working on it? Maybe have a little patience, and your problems will disappear with a patch.

 

It's crazy to me how many people are so ready to give up without giving the devs a chance to fix it.

 

They delayed this game twice, once was for an extra month at the end.  What did they do in that month?  The year was probably extra stuff, but the month should've been entirely combat and control balancing, and optimization.  Coincidentally, those are the only two problems with the game, in a nutshell.  There's dozens of issues within those two areas, but those are the two areas that are bad.  Everything else about the game is very enjoyable.

 

And why do developers need extra time after release, and yet still expect us to pre-order games?  Make your game right the first time you release it.  Basic QA would've revealed these problems.  I could've told them these problems in the short time I've played for, which is about 2-3 days worth of working hours.

[AlanC9]

I would if I hadn't missed the deadline by a few hours. You know, the one they hid in the fine print.

We can return the game within 2 weeks of placing the order. Sure. That's ncie and relaxed. Within a week of it's being released? Yep. Within 24 hours of first booting it up?

Ouch. Tough break. But I don't see how that qualifies as "fine print." Weren't all of those deadlines written in the same way and in the same place?

[AlanC9]

My position has always been that RPGs and action games are mutually exclusive. I think DA:I just dropped this bomb on everyone else.

It's a reasonable position -- certainly as reasonable as any other definition of RPG. How do you classify ME, though? Anyway, I don't think that's Bio's position.

[Dracon525]

I too am not really feeling this game.

I'm currently running it on medium settings. That's fine. No problems, no crashes. Things are a tad too shiney though.

What I find annoying is the Tactical Cam's movement. More often than not, it gets stuck behind objects, or sometimes disappers into the ground. The AI is also pretty useless, with pretty much no tactics and useless manuvering skills ("Go over there Solas. Ok, walk through the fire and die rather than go around... Sure."). Also, not sure if it's a bug or a terrain issue, but my spells like to not work at all.

At the moment, about 16 hours in, I don't feel like i'm doing anything. Like, I don't feel like I have a goal. I'm just running around, closing breaches and killing quick-spawning enemies.