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[ChiPsiUp]

I'm really conflicted about what to do with the mages after Redcliffe. 

 

On the one hand, I really want to make sure they're held responsible for their bad decisions and have some oversight. On the other hand, playing as a mage character I do want to be more pro-mage, and don't really want to see them to trade oppression by the Templar for oppression by the Inquisition. 

 

 

Can anyone tell me what the consequences of this choice is further into the game? Does it radically affect the fate of the mages, or is it just a few different lines of dialogue? 

[Kantr]

Some approval drops from characters and then general background dialogue I'm not too far in though.

[Poisd2Strike]

I'm really conflicted about what to do with the mages after Redcliffe. 

 

 

So, is it safe to assume you sided with the Mages and chose the 'In Hushed Whispers' mission at the War Table?  If you did, did you have the option of choosing to send an advisor other than Leliana?

[mikeymoonshine]

So, is it safe to assume you sided with the Mages and chose the 'In Hushed Whispers' mission at the War Table?  If you did, did you have the option of choosing to send an advisor other than Leliana?

 

Don't worry about the Leliana thing, it was just Bioware trolling us. 

[Poisd2Strike]

Don't worry about the Leliana thing, it was just Bioware trolling us. 

 

Do you have any confirmation of that, such as an official statement / tweet from one of the Bioware devs or forum mods?  I am concerned because the other thread (now locked) featured an image that certainly didn't look to be photoshopped.  Also, it has been mentioned that what was shown of the Redcliffe video (via Twitch?) was a placeholder because Bioware wanted to avoid significant spoilers.  I was asking the OP if he had a choice of advisors, because I have the Prima Strategy Guide and it specifically mentions Leliana sending in her people.  It doesn't mention the player having a choice of which advisor to send.  Let's just say that if Bioware isn't just "trolling us" (as you have suggested), then it looks like my Mage Inquisitor might just be siding with the Templars.  I had originally planned on siding with the Mages, although I might have Conscripted them anyway given what happens at Redcliffe.

[The Jackal]

I would side with the mages as allies. It boost some minor disapprovel, but mostly alot of approvel from people in the group. You have to send Leliana in, because minor spoiler. She gets captured. Then you go to redcliff to rescue her. Siding with the mages is a mind blowing experience. Because of what happens before they are allied with you. I can't tell you what happens. I'll just say, I sided with the mages. The storyline was really good on how I got them on my side.

[tigerwolf86]

I did choose to free the mages, and only the traditionalist were the only ones that disapproved. If I remember right there was no choosing advisors just a question to make sure you wanted the mages instead of the Templars. 

[Poisd2Strike]

I would side with the mages as allies. It boost some minor disapprovel, but mostly alot of approvel from people in the group. You have to send Leliana in, because minor spoiler. She gets captured. Then you go to redcliff to rescue her. Siding with the mages is a mind blowing experience. Because of what happens before they are allied with you. I can't tell you what happens. I'll just say, I sided with the mages. The storyline was really good on how I got them on my side.

 

After you sided with the Mages and had to rescue Leliana...

 

Spoiler

Was Leliana scarred or disfigured as a result of her Torture? Did she remain scarred or disfigured after Redcliffe? The image I saw in the other thread had her, quite frankly, looking like a Zombie.

[GhoXen]

Conversing with the mages prior to the actual mission, I felt that most mages either want to be completely free, feeling no remorse about blood mage, Tevinter, slavery, etc, or they simply want everything to return to normal with Circles and Templars.

 

I feel that recruiting them is the more justified idea. These were rebel mages, terrorists, who would do everything, ranging from allying with a foreign power known for slavery to driving innocents out of their homes. No matter their ideals, both experience and time (hah) have proven that as a whole, the Rebel Mages are prone to bad decisions.

[azrael_1289]

Do you have any confirmation of that, such as an official statement / tweet from one of the Bioware devs or forum mods?  I am concerned because the other thread (now locked) featured an image that certainly didn't look to be photoshopped.  Also, it has been mentioned that what was shown of the Redcliffe video (via Twitch?) was a placeholder because Bioware wanted to avoid significant spoilers.  I was asking the OP if he had a choice of advisors, because I have the Prima Strategy Guide and it specifically mentions Leliana sending in her people.  It doesn't mention the player having a choice of which advisor to send.  Let's just say that if Bioware isn't just "trolling us" (as you have suggested), then it looks like my Mage Inquisitor might just be siding with the Templars.  I had originally planned on siding with the Mages, although I might have Conscripted them anyway given what happens at Redcliffe.

I have played through it. Don't worry about what you have seen of Lelianna. It will be dealt with in a satisfying way and isn't permanent. Complete the mission yourself and enjoy a fairly awesome bit of storytelling

[The Jackal]

After you sided with the Mages and had to rescue Leliana...

 

Spoiler

Was Leliana scarred or disfigured as a result of her Torture? Did she remain scarred or disfigured after Redcliffe? The image I saw in the other thread had her, quite frankly, looking like a Zombie.

 

Try out the game.

[GhoXen]

Anyway, the point of the topic is not "why" you should ally/conscript mages. The topic is asking for the "consequences".

 

I'm sure many among us have already finished the game with various choices. Care to share some of these consequences?

[The Jackal]

I'm still on Act 2 of the game. I haven't actually finished the game. I'm not sure what happens at the end. I'm not sure I want to know. The Game is very good. It's almost a shame. It would be brought to an end.

[GREYSpartan1]

Just beat the game and sided with the mages with a full alliance and honestly? Not much happens with them through the course of the game or at least I didnt really feel it had much impact. There is a epilogue somewhat similar to what orgins had at the very end of the game that explains what happens to them which has some interesting implications.

 

In terms of what it means for you in the moment and up until you beat the big baddie? I dont really feel it means much except that some people from the books live and you can use them in the war table. There are not really any bad implications that come from the choice so far as I saw.

 

In so far as what is different from siding with the templars? No clue what is different I would hope alot but I didnt play it that way yet so I dunno

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[Ieldra]

After you sided with the Mages and had to rescue Leliana...

 

Spoiler

Was Leliana scarred or disfigured as a result of her Torture? Did she remain scarred or disfigured after Redcliffe? The image I saw in the other thread had her, quite frankly, looking like a Zombie.

The unpleasant thing happens to her in a timeline that you unmake. That should tell you enough.

[Deebo305]

Conscript the idiots, don't hold their hands. Frankly, anyone who let Grand Tool Fiona decide their fate deserve to be punished

[Vit246]

Deleted.

[adam_nox]

Sorry but the answers here are not great.  What are the actual consequences for conscription vs allies?  Not anything else, just that.  What's THAT option do?  Is it just approval?  If so, anyone know specifics?  Cass is easy to guess, others not so much.

[Capone666]

You can see how they both play out

 

[ChiPsiUp]

I agree with adam_nox. I know there's approval, that's easy enough to see with a quick save a reload. 

 

What I was asking was what's the far reaching consequences later on in the game, if any? On the conscription choice Josephine warns that it may be a matter of time before the mages rebel again. Is that something that can actually happen? 

[Bfler]

After you sided with the Mages and had to rescue Leliana...
 

Spoiler

Was Leliana scarred or disfigured as a result of her Torture? Did she remain scarred or disfigured after Redcliffe? The image I saw in the other thread had her, quite frankly, looking like a Zombie.

It's a time travel mission, where you are flung in the future. Your objective is to return in the present to prevent everything.

[Rawgrim]

I allied with them. Figured I should just go all out since I lost the Templar support anyway.

 

Weird thing I noticed. Cassandra greatly disapproved of this choice. 2 minutes later she tells me, in a conversation, that she approved of it.

[OdanUrr]

I allied with them. Figured I should just go all out since I lost the Templar support anyway.

 

Weird thing I noticed. Cassandra greatly disapproved of this choice. 2 minutes later she tells me, in a conversation, that she approved of it.

 

Actually, she says she supports it. There's a difference.

[Shahadem]

What bad decision did they make?

 

Bioware doesn't bother explaining what lead the mages to pledging themselves into servitude, probably because they couldn't think of any real reason that wasn't utterly ridiculous. I think that was a really huge plot hole. I mean if we assume that the mages were reasonably intelligent, then it should have been obvious that the Tevinter mages were scumbags who couldn't be trusted. That guy was the most obvious villain since Seymour summoned Dagon from the Underworld in Final Fantasy 10. And there is no real doubt that the Tevinter empire is completely evil and corrupt.

 

And what were they even gaining? Maybe the help of 2 extra mages? 1 of whom was suffering from cancer or corruption and so wouldn't have been of much help anyways...

 

And once he had the mages, why did he continue to stick around in Redcliffe for no reason at all? Why didn't they all high tail it back to Tevinter then and there? Instead they hang around Redcliffe for weeks on end with no real purpose while their enemies gather together to overthrow them.

 

If we want to dig even further, why are the only people who are even aware of the altered timeline those in Redcliffe? Shouldn't everyone's memory of events have been changed the moment that the Tevinter mages go back in time?

 

Also we need to consider how the mages were all but coerced to pledge themselves to Tevinter, who procured an agreement through a mixture of fraud and force.

 

We also don't know how the mages came to occupy Redcliffe or if the mages had been welcomed into Redcliffe where they remained peacefully until the timeline was altered at which point the narrative got lost anyways.

 

Ultimately the mages seem to be innocent of any actual crime, the only crime that was committed in Redcliffe was poor storytelling.

[EdwinLi]

If you ally with the Mages you can gain back the approval lost from vivienne if you pick the dialogue saying "Mages deserve a chance to be part of the Chantry" which is a dialogue put in for Pro-Change players while the other two dialogues is Pro-Free Mage and Pro-Chantry.