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[Jaron Oberyn]

Just successfully got Viv as the divine. Currently rewriting the OP to include templates on how to get one of the 3 choices, as well as information on what each divine does should they be chosen. Keep the info coming!

 

Edit: Main post updated. 

[Boost32]

Just successfully got Viv as the divine. Currently rewriting the OP to include templates on how to get one of the 3 choices, as well as information on what each divine does should they be chosen. Keep the info coming!
 
Edit: Main post updated.

Is it pissible to conscript the templars and have Viv as Divine?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Is it pissible to conscript the templars and have Viv as Divine?

I don't know personally, take a look at the past 1-2 pages where people have been posting Viv divine outcomes and see if there are any conscripted templars there. 

[Svperstar]

I finished DAI day before yesterday and I was in shock I got Vivine as Divine.

 

I played DAO/DA2 as a blood mage and my Inquis was a Dalish elf that was never in a Circle.

 

My choice for Divine would be Leliana. I DID conscript the mages but it was a political choice. Perhaps that is the main thing.

 

I got a ton of disapprovals from Cassandra/Viviene and a lot of approvals from Solas as I constantly said the time of the Chantry may be past and mages should be free, etc.

 

Weirdly enough I don't know if it was a bug but after ONE conversation with Leliana about her being the Divine when it first comes up she disappeared from Skyhold for good. She showed up at the War Table/cutscenes but she was not at her location in the tower above Dorian anymore. I didn't speak to her at all for ages because she was not there.

[Svperstar]

I found a save right before the final battle. I went back and saved/reloaded and got Leliana's quest, finished it, and said she should would be a good Divine. Then since we had not talked in so long because she was bugged she had a ton of stuff saved up to say going back to "Varrik knew where Hawke was the whole time!" THAT is how long she had been bugged in my game.

Anyway I set the difficulty to Casual and went and killed Cory.............Vivian is still the divine. Weird as I have no memory of ever saying I think she would make a good Divine OR doing any quests with her about it.

No biggie if/when DA4 comes out like 4 years from now I can just use the Keep and say Leliana was the Divine.

[OdanUrr]

I narrowed it down to Leliana and Cassandra. If I do both their missions, how do I know who gets chosen?

[Abaddon_86]

I narrowed it down to Leliana and Cassandra. If I do both their missions, how do I know who gets chosen?

 

I could only do one... and at that time I thought I would never get the option with Leliana. So stupid me simply did the WT operation for Cassandra. When I should have gotten the Option for Leliana around 20 hours later for Leliana, as she simply vanished for quite a while from her post, I wasn't given the option to do her's as well...

[OdanUrr]

I could only do one... and at that time I thought I would never get the option with Leliana. So stupid me simply did the WT operation for Cassandra. When I should have gotten the Option for Leliana around 20 hours later for Leliana, as she simply vanished for quite a while from her post, I wasn't given the option to do her's as well...

 

The only quest I got for Leliana so far is the one where she gets the Divine's letter.

[WardenoftheFade]

1) Hardened Leliana (woops, hardening was an accident)

 

2) Mages, Free

 

3) I put forth conflicting views. I would have liked to have a reformed chantry, but wanted more freedom for the mages. So some of the responses were a bit conflicting.

 

4) Support Vivienne came up on the war table. I did not do it.

 

5) I supported Cassandra in her dialogue, but no special dialogue for supporting Cassandra came up. Special "Support Leliana" dialogue did come up, but as I wanted Cassandra I told Leliana that I did not support her.

 

6) I sided with Celene and insisted on Briala being rewarded.

 

7) Cassandra decided to rebuild the seekers. I encouraged this a bit I suppose.

  

8) Leliana killed the traitor.

 

9) Leliana told she was right, but then reluctantly at the end my PC agreed that they were soldiers and did know the risks. I personally think this was the moment she was hardened, but I could be wrong.

[ewauksonian]

I finished DAI day before yesterday and I was in shock I got Vivine as Divine.

 

I played DAO/DA2 as a blood mage and my Inquis was a Dalish elf that was never in a Circle.

 

My choice for Divine would be Leliana. I DID conscript the mages but it was a political choice. Perhaps that is the main thing.

 

I got a ton of disapprovals from Cassandra/Viviene and a lot of approvals from Solas as I constantly said the time of the Chantry may be past and mages should be free, etc.

 

Weirdly enough I don't know if it was a bug but after ONE conversation with Leliana about her being the Divine when it first comes up she disappeared from Skyhold for good. She showed up at the War Table/cutscenes but she was not at her location in the tower above Dorian anymore. I didn't speak to her at all for ages because she was not there.

From what I've gathered, based on conjecture that I have yet to prove, Leliana doesn't like it when you conscript the mages or ally with the templars. If you want her as the Divine, you have to ally with the mages or disband the templars, I think. Again, this is my own unproven conjecture.

[Helion Tide]

I did all of the things that apparently allowed for a "softened Leliana", and yet at the end of my game, Cassandra was appointed the new divine.  Not sure I want her as Divine.. she'd be good, but I think Leliana, as radical as her motives would be, is needed.

[ewauksonian]

I did all of the things that apparently allowed for a "softened Leliana", and yet at the end of my game, Cassandra was appointed the new divine.  Not sure I want her as Divine.. she'd be good, but I think Leliana, as radical as her motives would be, is needed.

Softening/Hardening Leliana changes the kind of Divine she is, but does seem to have much, if any, effect on her chances in becoming Divine. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I did all of the things that apparently allowed for a "softened Leliana", and yet at the end of my game, Cassandra was appointed the new divine.  Not sure I want her as Divine.. she'd be good, but I think Leliana, as radical as her motives would be, is needed.

 

Read the first post. You must have agreed with Cassandra on chantry reform in her dialogue or something. To narrow things down, please provide a list of your decisions you made in your playthrough. 

 

 

 

Softening/Hardening Leliana changes the kind of Divine she is, but does seem to have much, if any, effect on her chances in becoming Divine. 

This. Softening/Hardening only determines what sort of Divine she'd be if chosen. 

 

[Soulinet]

There it is, hope it helps :

 

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

Vivienne

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Mages, conscripted

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Reform

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

Vivienne, didn't see any other operation

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Denied support to Leliana, not sure if I actually gave my support to Cassandra

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Got the three leaders to work together

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Kill

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

Right

[ReelRipper]

So far...

1) Allied with Mages

2) Stopped Leliana from killing the traitor.

3) Had a mix of responses in terms of dialogue concerning faith and the Circle. I did say to Viv that Mages should be in the Chantry but that was more for equality than giving them a ton of power. So this may have got her interested in trying to have a go at becoming the Divine since my only dialogue choices are helping the Circle and pointless flirting.

4) Told Leliana that our men were not disposable.

5) Began romancing Cassandra.

6) Have not started Wicked Hearts yet.

Too early to tell where this is heading but most of my responses in the fields of religion and magic have been for the most part neutral so its up in the air at this point.

[xnarcosysx]

If I do everything else right, can I not side with celene and all get vivienne to be the divine.

[Jaron Oberyn]

If I do everything else right, can I not side with celene and all get vivienne to be the divine.

 

We're not certain how much the winter palace affects the divine choice. If you want to try not siding with Celene and seeing if you can successfully get Viv, it would be worth the information.

[thesuperdarkone2]

So here are my choices so far and the choices I plan to make. Will anyone tell me who I will likely get:

 

Allied with mages

 

Plan on hardening Leliana

 

Said I want mages in chantry but chose options indicating I want mage freedom and that the chantry should fall

 

Had Celene and Briala reunite

 

Had Wardens join

 

Cassandra romanced

 

Cassandra disbanded seekers

 

Choose following dialogue options with Cassandra: "You're too idealistic" "Who cares about the chantry" "The chantry has failed" "Maybe the chantry should fall" and said there are other ways to serve the Chantry

 

Plan on saying I support Leliana as Divine

[beccatoria]

I know we don't have a huge amount of data regarding disbanding/conscripting the Templars, but I was wondering how it tied in with the opening post?  

 

It says that freedom favours Leliana's revolutionary attitude, while conscription favours Cassandra or Vivienne as they represent something closer to the status quo.  

 

That makes sense for the mages, but is it the same for the Templars?  Since they represent the traditional power the Chantry had over the mages, I would have thought that disbanding them would favour Leliana's revolution while a full alliance with them would be seen as more like a statement that you wanted to stick with the status quo?  

Is it possible to disband/conscript rather than freely ally with the Templars and still get Leliana as Divine?  Because that's what I'd like to try for my next playthrough...  

 

On an unrelated note, I know that it might seem weird that your personal attitudes affect who the Chantry elects but I think it's possible to make sense of it in a non-game mechanics sort of way.  We know that one of the reasons Cassandra and Leliana are being so strongly considered is their association with the Inquisition whose star is rising.  It would make sense, then, that the way the Inquisition is publicly perceived would affect their thoughts about this.  If the Inquisition is going around arguing for a return to the status quo, that'll bolster the Chantry in sticking with what they know.  On the other hand, if the Inquisition is running around freeing mages and being run by a Qunari who claims to be the Herald of Andraste and everyone's flocking to them, they might sense which way the wind is blowing and throw themselves behind Leliana in an effort not to be left behind by the times.  

 

And Inquisitor might freely ally with the Templars for purely political reasons, but Thedas still sees a staunchly traditional alliance.  Likewise you might agree with Vivienne purely to garner her approval, but as the First Enchanter of Orlais, she will still be telling her associates that she is glad the Inquisitor holds such sensible views.  These characters are leaders in their own right with vast networks of connections and their views of you will cascade outwards.  

 

The more I think about it the more interesting I find it as an idea.  I'm aware that it stems from a more banal "reflect the player's choice," type of mechanic, but I really feel it's at least arguably reflective of the way someone of such influence and importance has a wider impact without necessarily realising it.  

 

Or something.  

 

But yeah.  

 

Most Holy Leliana and a bunch of forcibly inducted Templars: can it be done?

[Kirikou]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

 

Hardened Leliana

 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Free Mages

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Free Mages

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Nope

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Yes, Leliana

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No.

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Killed both

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Right to keep them save

[Kinsz]

Divine Cassandra

 

Mages free

 

Supported the chantry

 

Told Cassandra she'd make a great divine

 

Told Leliana the same

 

Told Cassandra to rebuild the seeker as well

 

Stopped Leliana from killing the traitor

 

Stopped Leliana from killing the mother

 

Supported Cassandra at the war table

 

Wardens as allies

 

Romanced Cassandra

 

So pretty much i got Cassandra as divine despite doing most of the thing i was told would make Leliana divine

[thesuperdarkone2]

Divine Cassandra

 

Mages free

 

Supported the chantry

 

Told Cassandra she'd make a great divine

 

Told Leliana the same

 

Told Cassandra to rebuild the seeker as well

 

Stopped Leliana from killing the traitor

 

Stopped Leliana from killing the mother

 

Supported Cassandra at the war table

 

Wardens as allies

 

Romanced Cassandra

 

So pretty much i got Cassandra as divine despite doing most of the thing i was told would make Leliana divine

Apparently supporting Cass is what made her divine in your game. Apparently you have to say you support someone and choose what their position entails in order to get them. I wonder if there is a priority if your choices are all over the place.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Divine Cassandra

 

Mages free

 

Supported the chantry

 

Told Cassandra she'd make a great divine

 

Told Leliana the same

 

Told Cassandra to rebuild the seeker as well

 

Stopped Leliana from killing the traitor

 

Stopped Leliana from killing the mother

 

Supported Cassandra at the war table

 

Wardens as allies

 

Romanced Cassandra

 

So pretty much i got Cassandra as divine despite doing most of the thing i was told would make Leliana divine

 

It looks like your support of the chantry as well as the operation on the war table for Cass is what landed her as the Divine. If you wanted Leliana, why would you do Cass' operation? Telling her she'd make a good divine is also throwing your support her way. You didn't really do much to prevent her from becoming divine, if anything you did things that encouraged her to. 

[Daerog]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

 

Vivienne
 
Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Allied with Templars
 
When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Either stayed neutral or spoke positively about the Chantry and it is needed.
 
Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Supported Vivienne
 
Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Said mages should be involved more in the Chantry early in game with Vivienne, said how she would make a good Divine. Discouraged Lelianna. Avoided support and encouraged Cassandra to refuse.
 
Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Made all three stop bickering for the crisis... so, sided with all?
 
Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No.
  
Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Spared.
 
Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Right.

 

 

My Inquisitor was a human mage... if that makes a difference...

[CENIC]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)
 
Cassandra
 
Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
 
Mages, free allies
 
When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
 
Circles/Templars are needed, but the Chantry needs reform
 
Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
 
Cassandra's appeared, and I completed it
 
Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
 
I supported Cassandra, and I also chose NOT to support Leliana in her support dialogue
 
Who did you side with on the civil war?
 
Celene (reunited with Briala)
 
Cassandra disband the seekers?
 
No; I told Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers and improve them
  
Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry? Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
 
Leliana spared the traitor, saved her agents and spared the sister at the Chantry