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[chuck butcher]

Holy s..t I'm just short of 200 hr and must got viv on table a little while ago. I have yet to kick off the Pride mission. Quite a way back I got support Cass or leilianna on table. Lel is hardened and Cass is GF. Lel is too ruthless and no way I lose my badass girl so I'm stuck trying to get Viv whose authoritarianism I despise.

[I-AM-A-PERSON]

Can i side with Gaspard and still get the ending where romanced cassandra doesn't go with seekers or become divine and leliana becomes divine 

[Dabrikishaw]

Can i side with Gaspard and still get the ending where romanced cassandra doesn't go with seekers or become divine and leliana becomes divine 

I want to know this as well.

[Precursor Meta]

There are still some finer points to this. It's just alot to keep track of. I got to ask, is everyone ok with the way bioware went about doing this. It's a little bit too complex for my taste, but I don't want it to be as simple as saying "I think you should be Divine"

[Precursor Meta]

Can i side with Gaspard and still get the ending where romanced cassandra doesn't go with seekers or become divine and leliana becomes divine

I'm in that boat also. I don't want to see my Cassie go.

[frylock23]

I conscripted both the mages and the Wardens. I saved Celene and made all three of them work together. I hardened Leliana. When the Chantry delegation asked my opinion, I told them I hadn't decided who I was backing yet. The only companion I ever talked to about being Divine was Cass, and I honestly wanted her. Leliana scared me and I just didn't like Viv so I more or less ignored her after a few early convos. I had NO war table ops at all.

 

I got Vivienne.

 

Huh?!

 

The only thing I can think of that I did to start down that road was agree with her early on that it might be good for mages to be in the Chantry, but I agreed with Cass on her views as well and talked with her about them more often.

 

Maybe mine was bugged?

[Iakus]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable):

 

Vivienne

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)  

 

Templars, Free

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Chantry okay overall, but needs reform

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Supported Vivienne

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Yes, told Vivienne she'd be perfect. Told Leliana I would not support her.  Told Cassandra to refuse (romance option)

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene alone

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No.  Cassandra rebuilt them
 
Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

No, spared both

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Told she was right to keep them safe.

[Blue_Shayde]

Ugh...I am now really worried about who will become my Divine. I'm a mage who supports mage freedom, but I've always supported the circle to...I believe it serves a good purpose as a home for mages. And it should be a home, not a prison.

 

I've been role-playing as a Dalish elf mage who doesn't know what to believe in regards to being a herald, and often avoids conversations about the chantry since I wouldn't know much about it.

 

I didn't know stopping Leliana from killing that guy in Haven would soften/harden her. damnit...I just let her do it cause I felt she knew best what she was doing as a Spymaster.

 

So...no idea who my Divine will be yet...this is how my game is going...

 

- Sided with Mages and granted them freedom.

- Talk about having my own gods as a Dalish, or suggesting the chantry should be changed

- Was kind and listened to the chantry sister about a new Divine, but said it was Cass or Leliana's choice in the end

- Spoke to Leliana and told her to refuse if she wanted to.

- Spoke to Cass, and when hearing her ideas of rebuilding the circle as a safe haven for mages and fixing the mess of the templars, voiced my willingness to support her as the Divine. (her ideas are what I would love. Return of the circles as a home and place of learning for mages. Templars protecting against magic and not policing the mages. Etc...)

- I plan to keep the wardens and not exile them.

 

So far I only have the option to voice my support of cassandra on the war table.

 

 

 

Cassandra's views are really what I want at heart for the mages. But I hear that if she becomes Divine, the mages form a college and possibly go to war with the circles?

 

I wouldn't mind Leliana, but since I let her kill that traitor but comforted her and supported her for protecting her men, I don't know whether she'll become hardened or softened. And I don't want a hardened Leliana as divine.

[Jimmy Fury]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable):

 

Leliana (Neither? My Leliana slide only said that different sects rise up and threaten stability but nothing about her shutting them down or uniting them)

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)  

 

Mages, Free

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Chantry Reform when speaking to Cassandra, Chantry is ok/Circle is good when speaking to Vivienne, Mages need to be free when talking to Dorian... I was trying to be agreeable lol

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Supported Cassandra, it was the only operation that came up.

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Supported Cassandra through dialogue.

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

Yes.
 
Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Told her to kill traitor, didn't do mission with Sister in Chantry

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Right to keep them safe

 

Also recruited the Wardens

 

[Zered]

Is it possible to get Leliana as the Divine but going the Templar path during the Haven arc?

[thesuperdarkone2]

Is it possible to get Leliana as the Divine but going the Templar path during the Haven arc?

From what's been shown, it's only possible if you disband the templars.

[thesuperdarkone2]

In Val Royeaux, I just got a rumor that apparently some people are talking about how the clerics are favoring Leliana in divine in my game. Could this be an early indicator of who is likely to become divine in the game?

[Zana]

Fairly certain its a flat point system where at the end they are tallied up and you get the person with highest value as Divine.

 

Templars vs Mages and Ruler of Orlais seem to be the major points.

 

This is my current working hypothesis, I am trying to refine it as best as I can, based both on the data in this thread and elsewhere.

 

Following logic has been used: I have not seen anyone get Leliana as Divine for either conscripted mages or preserved templar order, as well as the difficulty of getting her as divine on disbanded templars. Cassanra seems to be possible in *any* condition provided you work toward it.  Vivienne seems to be impossible on free mages and (I think) disbanded templars.

 

Free mages ++Leliana +Cassandra -Vivienne

Conscripted mages ++Cassandra +Vivienne -Leliana

Disbanded Templars ++Cassandra +Leliana -Vivienne

Kept Templars ++Vivienne +Cassandra -Leliana

 

For Orlais each of the possible Divine hopefuls is likely assigned the 'preferred' ruler (We know Briala is one for Leliana).  Then you get the total number of points divided by the number of people who 'won'?  So for all 3 working together you end up with same increment for each.

[azarhal]

Got Cassandra for Divine.

 

- Always tried to pick choices in dialog about Chantry reform and fixing things (because that's what my character believes in)

- Did not do the support Divine mission (only had Cass)

- Told Cass to reform the Seekers

- Allied with Templars

- Exiled Wardens

- Went for the Orlesian tree-way option

- Romanced Cass

 

I also sorta rushed through the end game to finish my current playthrough before the patch arrived (and because my Sword&Shield warrior was getting boring to play and I preferred to use the Mage/Archer in my party). So there is few things I might have missed. I had discussions with all 3 characters for the Divine stuff, but I tried to not encourage them (although, I think I might have ended up supporting Leliana in the Vivenne convo, but that dialog option had a ?, hmm).

 

I wanted my character to stay "out of it" so to speak. Happy with Cass ending because I think it's the best (Allied Templars result in a no issue Golden Age according to the epilogue even)...but Cass looked so sad and pissed about it. *sniff*

[Pi2r Epsilon]

I notice that the first post in the thread isn't updated with this information from David Gaider regarding the biggest influences on getting Leliana elected. We now have WOG confirmation that mage alliance and Briala in power in Orlais are the biggest influences in getting Leliana elected Divine.

[floppydog92]

Here were my choices:

 

Throughout the game, I was tolerant of the Chantry but I never overtly supported it to get Approval from Cass. Nor was I an atheist and dismissive of it.

 

Never played the "Herald of Andraste" card unless it was to inspire hope to the troops or the commoners.

 

I told Cass I believed in the Maker

 

I conscripted the Mages

 

I told Viv that the Circles should be reinstated

 

I saved Celene, convinced her to spare/exile Gaspard

 

Romanced Cass because of this

 

Did both of Viv's quests and asked her about Leliana becoming Divine

 

Told Cass that I "liked" her determination and asked if her becoming divine was her new "crusade"

 

Told Cass that there were other ways to change the Chantry

 

Told Cass to let the seekers go (I was selfish)

 

Exiled the Gray Wardens, Saved Hawke

 

Drank from the Well

 

Told Cass that I wouldn't lose her to the Chantry

 

End game: Vivienne becomes Divine. I would have preferred Leliana tbh but I was happy with this result. Leliana gets to be with you know who and I still get to romance Cass and she won't leave to reform the seekers. Also, during this play through, everyone liked me including Solas (a real feat as this guy is a peace of work). Can't wait to start a third play through and try to make Leliana divine. I have a save right before I fight C so pardon me as I steal a moment with my Seeker queen

[azanimefan]

I got lilly as divine, mostly just took "free the mages" choices, voiced opposition to the templars at every choice.  i did side with Celine and Briella (so bri got her seat at the table, Gaspard was exiled).  I even chose to make that one tevinter mage tranquil.  Didn't end the chance of Lilly becoming divine, so that choice had no impact.  

 

lilly was hardened in my playthrough, the chantry ran red with blood.  perfect ending as far as i was concerned.

 

 

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable):

Lilly - Hardened

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)  

Mages, Freedom/partners 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

mostly went with the flow.  heavily weighted toward pro-chantry, pro being the herald of andraste, and against templars.

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

nope, none came up.  that said i did EVERY SINGLE wartable quest, however none were in relation to the divine selection

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Nope, never came up.  Lilly expressed a desire through dialogue to become divine, but no dialogue choice was offered to support that choice.  Cassandra only ever expressed a desire to reform the seekers (my character DID support that, he also romanced her).  I didn't even know viv was an option until this thread, it never came up in dialogue... but then again i poisoned the tart's beloved and generally spat on the ground she walked on 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene & Briella

Cassandra disband the seekers?

nope, reformed

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

she killed her like a pig, and then hunted down the cleric behind her and butchered him too.

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

I told her she did the right thing, she was so blood thirsty (since i imported a hardened lilly from da:o) that i felt bad to see my blood thirsty right hand feeling bad, so i made her feel better.  

[Jaron Oberyn]

I notice that the first post in the thread isn't updated with this information from David Gaider regarding the biggest influences on getting Leliana elected. We now have WOG confirmation that mage alliance and Briala in power in Orlais are the biggest influences in getting Leliana elected Divine.

 

I've seen it pop up, but I haven't had a chance to update the main post with that information, I'll try to make time to tackle that later today. We already knew the mage alliance shifted it towards Leliana, but the Winter Palace decision was thought to be irrelevant to the choice so that's good that we now have that cleared up. Though I will say it isn't necessarily a guarantee because I successfully got Leliana as divine by giving the mages a full alliance and keeping Celene in power. Would be good if we can get the devs to give us a rating break down of sorts like they did with slightly/greatly/reg approve numbers and how they affect companions. 

[InfinitePaths]

Would be good if we can get the devs to give us a rating break down of sorts like they did with slightly/greatly/reg approve numbers and how they affect companions. 

 

Off-Topic.

 

I am curious where did they give us a rating break down?I'm interested in seeing it.

[Rhiellan]

I just finished my first playthrough with Cassandra as Divine, as I wanted it, though without following any guides. I may just have been lucky.. Nevertheless, hope I can help!

 

Who became Divine?

Cassandra

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

I sided with the mages, full alliance (free?)

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

I mostly said the chantry was ineffective as it is and that it needs to change, also some sympathy for free mages.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

I only got the option to support Cassandra and I did.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

I told the messenger I needed time to think (or something like other priorities right now) and told Cassandra she would make a good divine if that was wat she wanted. The scene with Mother Giselle was with Cassandra.

 

I told Leliana I didn't support her views. I wouldn't have minded if she wasn't  'hardened', but since I apparently screwed up in the beginning I don't think hardened Leliana would have made a grand divine.

 

When talking to Vivienne about it I didn't support or discourage her.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Empress Celene (and defended Briala during the confrontation of the three).

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No.

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Killed; I remained silent. Didn't think I was in any position to give Leliana orders at that point in the game.. Sigh..

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

I told her that her scouts were not disposable and that she was right to have pulled them back.

 

EDIT: Some extras that may matter..

 

The Grey Wardens became allies to the Inquisition (Hawke died, I mean, it was between her and Alistair, come on! T_T), I mostly said I wasn't sent by the Maker and that I believed in Elven gods, we did the rituals at the temple of Mythal and Morrigan drank from the well.

[wright1978]

I was very happy i got ruthless Leliana first time without having any knowledge.

 

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable):

Lilly - Hardened

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)  

Mages, Freedom/partners 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Chantry needs reformed, open up to others.

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

nope, none came up as far as i'm aware

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Supported Leliana to be divine immediately after her chantry mission.  Romanced Cassandra and avoided direct support or requesting she refuse, supported her reform of seekers. I didn't even know viv was an option at time. Had some conversation where she introduced her lover's devout family, not sure if that was part of her plan to use me for her own ends.

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene, Gaspard and Briala

Cassandra disband the seekers?

nope, reformed

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

she killed her like a pig, and then hunted down the cleric behind her and butchered him too.

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

I told her she did the right thing, to pull her scouts back

[Iakus]

Just want to add to my Vivienne as Divine outcome, in case any of it matters:

 

Recruited the Wardens

 

Saved Hawke

 

Let Morrigan drink from the well (then told Vivienne I expected Morrigan to betray us at some point)

 

Gave Vivienne the Snowy Wyvern heart

[Jaron Oberyn]

Off-Topic.

 

I am curious where did they give us a rating break down?I'm interested in seeing it.

 

I forgot where it was I read it, didn't bother to bookmark it. But it was something like slightly approves: +1 Approves: +5 or +10 or something, and then Greatly Approves: +20. Something to that effect. 

[Dalendria]

Romanced Cassandra.  I supported her views and sided with Templars.  But later, I kept telling her not to become Divine.  I was playing a somewhat selfish noble.  I knew she would be good for the chantry and a strong ally to the inquisition but i wanted her with me.  Vienne also talked to me about the Divine candidate.  I ended up with 2 war table options - support Cass or V.

 

I tried to convince Leliana not to become Divine and then told her I would not want her as Divine.  Cass ended up being divine.

 

So here is my head cannon.  Cass does the right thing at first.  ends the relationship.  but later realizes she cannot live without her noble inquisitor so she resumes the relationship in secret.  then later changes the rules and marries him.  oh the scandal.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Just wondering, do the rumors in Val Royeaux help give an idea of who is likely to become divine in your playthrough? I got a rumor which said that the clerics were leaning towards making Leliana divine in my game and another rumor which said that Vivienne was a potential candidate but that it was highly unlikely she would be chosen. My game made the choices leaning towards Leliana so I'm wondering if anyone else who made choices supporting the other candidates noticed anything different about the rumors?