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[thesuperdarkone2]

I sided with the mages, so the epilogue I got for mages with Divine Cassandra hinted at a brewing mage civil war between the Circle and the College.

Really not happy with that, so I'm considering replaying and siding with the Templars. What are the epilogue slides for Templars like with Divine Cassandra?

From what I've seen, Divine Cass siding with the templars has some templars leaving the inquisition to rejoin the order while the rest become the inquisitor's bodyguards, the templars stay with the inquisition and go through lyrium withdrawal to become seekers (don't know if this can happen if Cass is divine). Haven't seen any other endings since most people sided with the mages. I also don't know if conscripting or allying with the respective side changes the ending.

 

I also find it funny that Divine Cass' best ending requires her to make some small concessions with the aid of the inquisitor for her reforms yet Leliana can completely alter the chantry yet get everyone to unite without conceding anything. I also find it funny that the mages or templars get better endings if she is divine. Is Bioware favoring Leliana as divine?

[d-boy15]

From what I've seen, Divine Cass siding with the templars has some templars leaving the inquisition to rejoin the order while the rest become the inquisitor's bodyguards, the templars stay with the inquisition and go through lyrium withdrawal to become seekers (don't know if this can happen if Cass is divine). Haven't seen any other endings since most people sided with the mages. I also don't know if conscripting or allying with the respective side changes the ending.

I also find it funny that Divine Cass' best ending requires her to make some small concessions with the aid of the inquisitor for her reforms yet Leliana can completely alter the chantry yet get everyone to unite without conceding anything. I also find it funny that the mages or templars get better endings if she is divine. Is Bioware favoring Leliana as divine?

Not really, the slide said the chantry is united for now. Hinting the possible conflict. But it happen to both Cass and Viv as well.

[Ivalo]

I got Cassandra as divine

-reunited Briala and Celene

-supported Cassandra when discussing with Viv about the matter

-when asking what Cass should do, told her to go by her heart

-told Leliana I won't support her (this was confusing because she reacts to it like "oh I'll be the new divine, you just wait and see") (this was hardened Leliana btw)

-allowed wardens to stay

-Morrigan drank from well

 

What I can remember surely on top of head

[Gaesesagai]

Interesting, I had no idea that the Winter Palace quest factors into this as well 

 

Anyway, in one playthrough (my main and very happy it turned out this way) I got Leliana.

My choices as mentioned before were:

- Sided with mages > offered full alliance

- Companion dialogue regarding chantry > always picked "mages should be free" where available and generally the "chantry needs to change" type of options

- In this playthrough no War Table mission popped up for me, but I did get the "enhanced" dialogue wheel with Leliana and chose "I support you" or something like that (I go this after doing the Arbor Wilds quest, before the final quest) (also when I say "enhanced dialogue wheel" I'm refering to the same thing you get when companions join you and you can select to accept them or refuse)

- I also did Vivienne's quests and near end I had a dialogue with her where she introduces you to her family and mentiones the council of heralds or something like that... I thought that meant she was about to ninja her way to Divine, like I've read many people complain about it, so I reloaded and avoided talking to Vivienne at all near end of game

- Winter Palace > I convinced all 3 to work together, max court approval (if that matters)

- I don't remember 100% what I told Cassandra about the Seekers, but I'm pretty sure I told her to let the Seekers die out (as in don't reform or remake the order)

- Leliana spared the spy and Natalie

 

In another playthrough I got Cassandra. I did basically the same things, with only one difference, I supported Cassandra in her dialogue (normal dialogue wheel), and also right after that I got a War Table mission to support her. I told her to reform the Seekers. Leliana killed both the spy and Natalie (even though I told her to spare Natalie). Other then that very similar pt.

 

So I don't know, I was a bit worried after reading the forums, but for me it seems it boiled down to who I directly supported. In the pt with Cassandra I have no saves at a convenient spot to experiment with this and see if I can get Leliana as Divine by supporting her directly. Oh well. Hope it helps someone I know I was horrified at the thought of Vivienne becoming Divine lol...

[Solo Rogue One]

It seems like Celene is the main thing for Leliana becoming Divine. I'm hearing it in the Cassandra thread too, all the people who got Leliana as Divine had Celene alive. There were two who both apparently allied with the mages...except one had Celene, and that one got Leliana.

I saved Celene. I did not ally with mages but let templars join inquistion....I got Cassandra as Divine and let her go because it seemed to make her happy even tho I wanted her to stay with me..side note, I softened Leliana from beginning

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

In case no one has seen this yet. This may not be related to the thread's subject, but interestingly enough it seems like the Inquisitor can become the new Divine in the original concept. Cassandra and Leliana doesn't seems too happy about it though.

 

[Aravasia]

Can I conscript the Templars and still have Leliana as divine? I still plan to fully support mage freedom and all other decisions that lead to Leliana, but I am unsure if allying with the mages is a necessity or not. 

[Lucky Thirteen]

In case no one has seen this yet. This may not be related to the thread's subject, but interestingly enough it seems like the Inquisitor can become the new Divine in the original concept. Cassandra and Leliana doesn't seems too happy about it though.

 

 

I can't seem to get that image to enlarge, but is that a qunari inquisitor

 

I think at the most they should have done female human inquisitor as an option. Seems the most logical. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I can't seem to get that image to enlarge, but is that a qunari inquisitor

 

I think at the most they should have done female human inquisitor as an option. Seems the most logical. 

It's definitely a Qunari Inquisitor, and Male.

 

That is the most logical option, but perhaps according to BioWare's original plan the Inquisition is not only to restore order but to change the world, shape it as the player see fit. I think they want to give the player's feeling that you actually have the power. You can after all have mage ascend to be the new Divine. 

[Parad0x]

Great thread. I'm hoping for Vivi as Divine. Conscripted the Mages so far and sided with Celene.

[Jaron Oberyn]

It's definitely a Qunari Inquisitor, and Male.

 

That is the most logical option, but perhaps according to BioWare's original plan the Inquisition is not only to restore order but to change the world, shape it as the player see fit. I think they want to give the player's feeling that you actually have the power. You can after all have mage ascend to be the new Divine. 

 

In a way we still do shape the world. Southern Thedas at least. But becoming Divine would have been cool as well. At least you can pick your choice of the 3.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

In a way we still do shape the world. Southern Thedas at least. But becoming Divine would have been cool as well. At least you can pick your choice of the 3.

Indeed, we can change it for the better or for worse or have something remain as they are. To tell you the truth I never thought BioWare has this in their mind, and becoming Divine would have been cool, and some player will welcome this opportunity with open arms. I think it's too bad they decide to drop that idea, but at least you can influence who's going to be the new Divine. That said regardless of our decisions the Inquisition rises again.

[slick_ktm]

So since most players are going for the Mage conscription/freedom we don't have a lot of info about the templar path and going for Leliana as Divine.

 

according to dragon age wikia this is the only entry about Templars path /Leliana Divine:

"Many follow in the footsteps of Commander Cullen, going through the slow and agonizing process ofLyrium withdrawl."

 

"This frees many to join the Seekers of Truth underCassandra - a renewed order dedicated to justice for all."

 

 

Is this the only version of Leliana/templar ending or they simply didn't upload the other versions.

 

Does this mean we have to convince Cullen to stop taking Lyrium (mind you , this is only posible until What pride had wrought main quest) and telling Cassandra to reform the Seekers , plus the usual Divine bussines from the OP.

[Boost32]

So since most players are going for the Mage conscription/freedom we don't have a lot of info about the templar path and going for Leliana as Divine.
 
according to dragon age wikia this is the only entry about Templars path /Leliana Divine:

 
Is this the only version of Leliana/templar ending or they simply didn't upload the other versions.
 
Does this mean we have to convince Cullen to stop taking Lyrium (mind you , this is only posible until What pride had wrought main quest) and telling Cassandra to reform the Seekers , plus the usual Divine bussines from the OP.

I had a different ending, but Cullen didnt stop taking Lyrium,: the templars decided by unanimous decision to stay in the Inquisition under the leadership of Cullen.

[slick_ktm]

Interesting , so there are even more variations to that ending too.

[Big I]

So there are two factors affecting who becomes Divine; 1) major story choices, and 2) conversation choices throughout the game. I have a theory about the conversation options.

 

If you talk to Vivienne after allying with the mages, she'll ask you where you see mages going in society and you have to choose from three options. The upper right option is mages should be free (a clear Leliana choice), bottom right is mages should be in the Chantry (a clear Vivienne choice), and the bottom left is reform the Circle (which is what Cassandra wants).

 

My theory is that those positions on the conversation wheel (upper right, bottom right and bottom left) continue to correspond to support for one of candidates in ALL conversations. E.g. if you're talking to Blackwall in a cutscene, you have to choose from one of three options in tose positions, then the the upper right one will count as support for Leliana. So far this seems to be accurate; the upper right option generally reflects the Inquisitior supporting freedom and changing the Chantry, a Leliana position.

[Sugram84]

So there are two factors affecting who becomes Divine; 1) major story choices, and 2) conversation choices throughout the game. I have a theory about the conversation options.

 

If you talk to Vivienne after allying with the mages, she'll ask you where you see mages going in society and you have to choose from three options. The upper right option is mages should be free (a clear Leliana choice), bottom right is mages should be in the Chantry (a clear Vivienne choice), and the bottom left is reform the Circle (which is what Cassandra wants).

 

My theory is that those positions on the conversation wheel (upper right, bottom right and bottom left) continue to correspond to support for one of candidates in ALL conversations. E.g. if you're talking to Blackwall in a cutscene, you have to choose from one of three options in tose positions, then the the upper right one will count as support for Leliana. So far this seems to be accurate; the upper right option generally reflects the Inquisitior supporting freedom and changing the Chantry, a Leliana position.

do it like it this video (if u want her as Divine), well do it only without Hardening her, unless u want a crusader who forces her religion to all, that's how hardened Lil as Divine is, she say's it out in the end of this video, or before end, she say's she will make Elves see it do, well i hear her from this video, this video shows how to make her Divine with how to harden her in the process

 

 

but OFC talking with Viv wrong way can screw things up, i skipped the part at haven, talk about mages, so i don't lose approval

 

o man, u know what happened with Viv when i played my second char, firs was Elf mage, new Elf Archer, a new cut scene, she invited me to talk with some Nobles, i asked whats that all about, & what she said after, i forgot her words, but i figured it out, she used me to get on a good side on this people, they were also connected to Chantry, she did it to get a chance to be elected as Divine, That Scheming  conniving little B , her plan was so obvious after the talk with her, to bad the talk ended after that, i really wanted to say something

[Shane Fugitt]

I tried to get softened Leliana as Divine, but I ended up with Cassandra. I did everything to get Leliana Divine:

1. ally with mages 

2. support Celene 

3. ally with Wardens 

4. mage freedom dialogue choices 

5. openly supported her.

6. did not do any war table missions

7. told her not to kill anyone

But I still got Cassandra in the end? Is it because I romanced her?

[Fardreamer]

I tried to get softened Leliana as Divine, but I ended up with Cassandra. I did everything to get Leliana Divine:

1. ally with mages 

2. support Celene 

3. ally with Wardens 

4. mage freedom dialogue choices 

5. openly supported her.

6. did not do any war table missions

7. told her not to kill anyone

But I still got Cassandra in the end? Is it because I romanced her?

 

Seems odd... I know there's several key dialogues which allow you explicitly say "The mages should be free."  "I want to help the mages." Etc...

 

Supporting Celene does not help Leliana, btw... it helps Vivienne.  Supporting Briala helps Lelilana.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Seems odd... I know there's several key dialogues which allow you explicitly say "The mages should be free."  "I want to help the mages." Etc...

 

Supporting Celene does not help Leliana, btw... it helps Vivienne.  Supporting Briala helps Lelilana.

How do other endings like reconciling Celene and Briala or forcing all three to work together count? Does it give support to more than one candidate?

[Tubercle]

I tried to get softened Leliana as Divine, but I ended up with Cassandra. I did everything to get Leliana Divine:

1. ally with mages 

2. support Celene 

3. ally with Wardens 

4. mage freedom dialogue choices 

5. openly supported her.

6. did not do any war table missions

7. told her not to kill anyone

But I still got Cassandra in the end? Is it because I romanced her?

 

One playthrough was almost the same except I exiled the wardens and made Celene and her two stooges play nice. Still ended up with Cassandra.

 

My next one was

 

1. Conscripted templars

2. Work together

3. Ally with wardens

4. Mage freedom

5. Supported Leliana

6. No war table missions

7. Leliana softened.

 

Still ended up with Cassandra which is frustrating!

[Jaron Oberyn]

I tried to get softened Leliana as Divine, but I ended up with Cassandra. I did everything to get Leliana Divine:

1. ally with mages 

2. support Celene 

3. ally with Wardens 

4. mage freedom dialogue choices 

5. openly supported her.

6. did not do any war table missions

7. told her not to kill anyone

But I still got Cassandra in the end? Is it because I romanced her?

 

No, I romanced Cass twice and managed to get Leliana as Divine. Either you didn't choose the mages should be free dialogue, or you (most likely) agreed with Cassandra when she expressed her ideal future for the chantry. So many people like to agree with everything she says during the romance, or take all romance dialogue choices and this will surely lead to her becoming divine. Also, there are two dialogue options where you get to support Leliana. The first one when she mentions it initially, then the second one which has the dialogue option that states in brackets "throw support to Leliana".

[Xx Serissia xX]

I was trying for Cassandra as Divine but I got hardened Leliana instead.  (This was my first playthrough so, I had no idea about hardening or softening Leliana.)  Not that I think it matters but I was playing a HNFM who romanced Cullen.

 

- Allied with the mages

- Celene remained the solo monarch of Orlais (Gaspard exiled)

- Allied with the Wardens

- Encouraged Cassandra to be Divine via dialog

- Did the war table mission to support Cassandra as Divine

- Told Leliana I wouldn't support her via dialog

- Had Leliana kill the spy during her personal quest

- Avoided most dialog about the chanty with companions other than Cassandra

- Told Cassandra the chantry need to be reformation if it was to be reestablished.  However, I also told her the same thing about the Seekers in a different dialog. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I was trying for Cassandra as Divine but I got hardened Leliana instead.  (This was my first playthrough so, I had no idea about hardening or softening Leliana.)  Not that I think it matters but I was playing a HNFM who romanced Cullen.

 

- Allied with the mages

- Celene remained the solo monarch of Orlais (Gaspard exiled)

- Allied with the Wardens

- Encouraged Cassandra to be Divine via dialog

- Did the war table mission to support Cassandra as Divine

- Told Leliana I wouldn't support her via dialog

- Had Leliana kill the spy during her personal quest

- Avoided most dialog about the chanty with companions other than Cassandra

- Told Cassandra the chantry need to be reformation if it was to be reestablished.  However, I also told her the same thing about the Seekers in a different dialog. 

I can tell you right now allying with the mages and celene remaining in power contributed heavily to that. Conscripting mages, and putting Gaspard on the throne favors Cass when it comes to those two choices.

[Sugram84]

I tried to get softened Leliana as Divine, but I ended up with Cassandra. I did everything to get Leliana Divine:

1. ally with mages 

2. support Celene 

3. ally with Wardens 

4. mage freedom dialogue choices 

5. openly supported her.

6. did not do any war table missions

7. told her not to kill anyone

But I still got Cassandra in the end? Is it because I romanced her?

it could also be cause of ur influence LVL ot the time u got this dialogue options, when Viv starts to discuss new divine with u, first choice left up, choice, then i can investigate if u want & chose what about Liliana, she slightly disapproves, & at 1 point Lil talks to u about becoming Divine & u say i support u, if u did all that to, then i don't know, maybe its a bit about influence to, & also maybe its easier to do if ur mage, i mean mage class maybe have some positive points towards Lil from the beginning, did u play mage when u got Lil? i mentioned that mages should be free even in Redcliffe, i did it awry where where i had that option in dialogue, but if u do that leave Cass home , she slightly disapproves, same with Viv, also the order of ur mission, when i cleared to meany ares i had on Haven & then went to mission to get to Skyhold & then cleared all new ares to before going back to main quests, i had so much going on i missed Dorian quests with hes father, i never got it

 

also check on ur people often do they have something new to say, if u haven't done it often, i don't know how often u do that, that's why i say that