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[Zywack]

Vivienne divine with no war table operations, Cassandra divine if picked her during in the war table Operation (reload my game to check, no other changes).

 

Templar path, allied with Templars. Pro-Templar dialog whenever possible.

 

Pro-chantry all the way, neutral regarding if mages should be free or not.

 

Pushed Cassandra to reform the Seekers, but then pushed her toward Divine when the option was given. Gave her support verbally.

 

Supported Leiliana verbally, but never got a war table operation.

 

Did not support Vivienne (talked to her about Leiliana applying and never got a single line of dialog about her potentially becoming divine until the ending), but had generally very high friendship with her.

 

Made Leiliana forgive the assassin and the priest.

 

Sided with Celene, Briala exiled (unwillingly), Gaspard killed.

[Jaron Oberyn]

it could also be cause of ur influence LVL ot the time u got this dialogue options, when Viv starts to discuss new divine with u, first choice left up, choice, then i can investigate if u want & chose what about Liliana, she slightly disapproves, & at 1 point Lil talks to u about becoming Divine & u say i support u, if u did all that to, then i don't know, maybe its a bit about influence to, & also maybe its easier to do if ur mage, i mean mage class maybe have some positive points towards Lil from the beginning, did u play mage when u got Lil? i mentioned that mages should be free even in Redcliffe, i did it awry where where i had that option in dialogue, but if u do that leave Cass home , she slightly disapproves, same with Viv, also the order of ur mission, when i cleared to meany ares i had on Haven & then went to mission to get to Skyhold & then cleared all new ares to before going back to main quests, i had so much going on i missed Dorian quests with hes father, i never got it

 

also check on ur people often do they have something new to say, if u haven't done it often, i don't know how often u do that, that's why i say that

 

No, looking at his choices the biggest were allying with mages and saving celene. Gaider stated that the mage/templar choice and winter palace choice are bigger than the chantry dialogue. Conscription and Gaspard favor Cassandra. Those two choices alone put the ball in Leliana's park in that particular playthrough. 

[ZipZap2000]

I wonder if supporting Briala swings towards Leliana. I want to support her, but don't want Leliana as Divine. And I already allied with the mages. Hmm.

 

It does. 

[beccatoria]

One playthrough was almost the same except I exiled the wardens and made Celene and her two stooges play nice. Still ended up with Cassandra.

 

My next one was

 

1. Conscripted templars

2. Work together

3. Ally with wardens

4. Mage freedom

5. Supported Leliana

6. No war table missions

7. Leliana softened.

 

Still ended up with Cassandra which is frustrating!

 

I'm pretty sure that supporting Gaspard favours Cassandra, while supporting Briala favours Leliana.  Perhaps Celene favours Vivienne?  I don't think it favours Leliana particularly though.  Having all three work together probably doesn't favour Leliana any more than Cassandra. 

[Alias Oddvar]

1 cassasdra Divine:

Suported Cassandra early on in the game as Divine.

Allied mages.

Allied wardens and had most of them killed in war table missions.

gave the wells Power to morrigan.(my mage did not like to be controlled)

was a non believer in the game.

sacrificed hawke.

convinced Cassandra to become the Divine.

supported celene as Empress and passed some of the blame on briala as well as gaspard.

 

The ending was not good. Mages were divided into circle and free mages, wardens divided themselfs and solas finished off flemeth.

 the orb was destroyed.

But hey the inquisition was exstremly strong and well off.

[Stakrin]

Romanced Cassandre-Divine

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Freed mages

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Free mages, reform seekers and chantry

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

Cassandra

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?


Cassandra

Who did you side with on the civil war?
Cassandra? If you mean advisors, mostly cullen

Cassandra disband the seekers?
No

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
Kill

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
Right

[Jaron Oberyn]

I'm pretty sure that supporting Gaspard favours Cassandra, while supporting Briala favours Leliana.  Perhaps Celene favours Vivienne?  I don't think it favours Leliana particularly though.  

It doesn't necessarily favor Leliana so much as it takes points away from Cass who he was trying to get apparently. 

[Fardreamer]

It doesn't necessarily favor Leliana so much as it takes points away from Cass who he was trying to get apparently. 

 

Didn't David Gaider specifically say that supporting Briala at the Winter Palace favors Leliana for Divine?

[d-boy15]

i support Celene (alone) yet I still can get Leliana as the divine. i think the choice has influence but it's not that major.

You conversation to support each candidate or agreed with their views probably a bigger factor than winter palace.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Well, just finished the game and the epilogue ruined it for me. To me, the entire who-will-be-the-next-Divine system is bugged as hell. Why do I feel this way? Because my character in the entire game acted with this belief:

 

1. The Circle of Magi is necessary;

2. The Templars are necessary but there needs to be a system in place to keep them in check.

 

These two points are the major points where you can express an opinion about and I did. Who became my Divine? LELIANA!! Yes, Leliana, the woman that does NOT believe in the Circle of Magi and does NOT believe in a system like the Templars (while I even SIDED WITH the Templars and kept them Templars!). What. The. Heck?!

 

Watching the epilogue and hearing Leliana was chosen the next Divine to me felt like the game simply pissed on everything I represented in the game. From every point of view I believed in CASSANDRA's reform. I would've stoically accepted it if Vivienne became the next Divine due to my beliefs, although I specifically chose not to support her, but LELIANA?! REALLY?!

 

Free mages? I would've died not to let that become reality. If there was one thing my Inquisitor did not believe in, it's free freaking mages. My Inquisitor believed they're even a worse threat than Caryphi-shite himself.

 

Come on, Bioware. Fix this shite, ffs!

[IhateEA-Mask]

Well, just finished the game and the epilogue ruined it for me. To me, the entire who-will-be-the-next-Divine system is bugged as hell. Why do I feel this way? Because my character in the entire game acted with this belief:

 

1. The Circle of Magi is necessary;

2. The Templars are necessary but there needs to be a system in place to keep them in check.

 

These two points are the major points where you can express an opinion about and I did. Who became my Divine? LELIANA!! Yes, Leliana, the woman that does NOT believe in the Circle of Magi and does NOT believe in a system like the Templars (while I even SIDED WITH the Templars and kept them Templars!). What. The. Heck?!

 

Watching the epilogue and hearing Leliana was chosen the next Divine to me felt like the game simply pissed on everything I represented in the game. From every point of view I believed in CASSANDRA's reform. I would've stoically accepted it if Vivienne became the next Divine due to my beliefs, although I specifically chose not to support her, but LELIANA?! REALLY?!

 

Free mages? I would've died not to let that become reality. If there was one thing my Inquisitor did not believe in, it's free freaking mages. My Inquisitor believed they're even a worse threat than Caryphi-shite himself.

 

Come on, Bioware. Fix this shite, ffs!

I assume you probably didn't banish wardens, so did you set up Briala in power?(either with Celene or with Gaspard) Since recruiting Wardens and setting up Briala in power are both huge bonuses on Leliana becoming divine. You could have probably gotten Vivienne or Cassandra if you hadn't done both of them.

 

If you haven't done either, then I guess you can continue yelling xD

 

BTW, out of curisioty, what do Templars do if Leliana becomes divine?

[Theronyll Itholien]

I assume you probably didn't banish wardens, so did you set up Briala in power?(either with Celene or with Gaspard) Since recruiting Wardens and setting up Briala in power are both huge bonuses on Leliana becoming divine. You could have probably gotten Vivienne or Cassandra if you hadn't done both of them.

 

If you haven't done either, then I guess you can continue yelling xD

 

BTW, out of curisioty, what do Templars do if Leliana becomes divine?

 

Briala stayed with Celene and I didn't banish the Wardens. Indeed. I personally think they over-did it with the Divine thing. I just don't see how any of that has anything to do with the freaking Chantry. What, because I chose the peaceful ruler and let her rogue'ish girlfriend stay with her I condone free mages? And again, what the hell does not exiling the Wardens have anything to do with Leliana's points of view? It... ugh.. it really pisses me off. Like they pissed all over my game.

[IhateEA-Mask]

Briala stayed with Celene and I didn't banish the Wardens. Indeed. I personally think they over-did it with the Divine thing. I just don't see how any of that has anything to do with the freaking Chantry. What, because I chose the peaceful ruler and let her rogue'ish girlfriend stay with her I condone free mages? And again, what the hell does not exiling the Wardens have anything to do with Leliana's points of view? It... ugh.. it really pisses me off. Like they pissed all over my game.

Well, supporting Briala means that you are probably supporting freedom and higher status to non human races, Leliana's reform involves letting all races be priests in Chantry. I'm not sure if that is the reasoning though, I mean, Vivienne approves Celene being ruler by herself and Cassandra approves Gaspard being the ruler. But I don't think that Gaspard and Cassandra's goals align besides them thinking that direct approach is better than The Game... Nor do I know how Celene being sole ruler helps Vivienne... Well, I guess there is that Vivienne got into power by being Celene's court mage so maybe its that?...

 

On Grey Wardens... Well, I'm not sure actually. Vivienne and Cassandra approve exiling them, so I suppose its just because they are responsible for Divine's death so recruiting them shows great mercy and forgiveness which seems to be what Leliana is about? I mean, she basically wants Chantry to become charity/all about Maker's love and stuff like that.

 

I might be guessing completely wrong since it does seem rather abstract how those choices would affect gland clerics' opinion on who to vote...*shrugs* Bioware could have made it clearer.

 

Edit: Realized it could also be that Leliana is famous for helping grey wardens to end fifth blight. I mean, judging from news post on skyhold stairwell, if you recruit wardens, Inquisition covers up their demon army involvement. So it comes across as Inquisition joining up with heroic grey wardens and that reminds clerics of what Leliana did

[thesuperdarkone2]

Well, just finished the game and the epilogue ruined it for me. To me, the entire who-will-be-the-next-Divine system is bugged as hell. Why do I feel this way? Because my character in the entire game acted with this belief:

 

1. The Circle of Magi is necessary;

2. The Templars are necessary but there needs to be a system in place to keep them in check.

 

These two points are the major points where you can express an opinion about and I did. Who became my Divine? LELIANA!! Yes, Leliana, the woman that does NOT believe in the Circle of Magi and does NOT believe in a system like the Templars (while I even SIDED WITH the Templars and kept them Templars!). What. The. Heck?!

 

Watching the epilogue and hearing Leliana was chosen the next Divine to me felt like the game simply pissed on everything I represented in the game. From every point of view I believed in CASSANDRA's reform. I would've stoically accepted it if Vivienne became the next Divine due to my beliefs, although I specifically chose not to support her, but LELIANA?! REALLY?!

 

Free mages? I would've died not to let that become reality. If there was one thing my Inquisitor did not believe in, it's free freaking mages. My Inquisitor believed they're even a worse threat than Caryphi-shite himself.

 

Come on, Bioware. Fix this shite, ffs!

So salty it's delicious. I love the tears of Templar supporters and this made my day. Is the game indicating you love mages? Yes it is. Rage harder since I love it!

[FiveThreeTen]

Wasn't there speculation about your level of power influencing how effective the "Support X" wartable mission is?

And I think dialogues with Leliana and Cassandra are actually really important.

 

Bc most of my choices in my 1st playthrough seemed to point toward Leliana ending up divine BUT I actively encouraged Cassandra and she ended up Divine like I planned.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

Leliana (softened)

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Mages, free

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

mages, free, chantry reformed

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

There was no war table operations although there was one to support Viviene in the first round, I didn't do it. In that round, I had a hardened Leliana as Devine.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Not really until the end when I agree to support Leliana.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celine.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No.

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Spared.

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

Right.

[Frenrihr]

I had to restart almost my entire game after reading this, i dont want to have Cassandra as divine nor leaving for the seekers, fortunately i had a save in which i havent done most of the conversations with Cassandra but seeing the post i thing this stuff is kind of bugged or something since the results somewhat show a pattern but there are people that just went through a pattern and they didnt got what they should have gotten, i believe some stupid dialogues and desicions are TOO important for the game but in the overall story they dont seem to feel that important just like what happened to Theronyll Itholien.

[xnarcosysx]

Anyone seen if you can get vivienne and side with Gaspard?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Didn't David Gaider specifically say that supporting Briala at the Winter Palace favors Leliana for Divine?

Yes, I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm merely stating that for someone who wanted to get Cass as divine, looking at his choices allying with mages as well as picking Celene took two major plot influences away from Cassandra.

[ShadowWeaver2012]

 

I got Leliana as Divine

 

1)  Mages were given freedom.

2)  Saved Celene and spared Gaspard/Briala

3)  Morrigan drank from the Well.

4)  Wardens were not disbanded.

5)  I talked to both Cassandra and Leliana about becoming Divine and said to both that they'd make a good choice.

6)  Didn't tell Cassandra to disband the Seekers.

7)  My character took most of the 'I don't believe in any gods/I'm not the Herald' dialog.

 

 

 

I think it would swing it towards Leliana.

 

 

I got Cassandra as Divine by doing :

 

1)  Mages were given freedom.

2)  Saved Celene and spared Gaspard/Briala

3)  Morrigan drank from the Well.

4)  Wardens were banished

5)  I talked to both Cassandra and Leliana about becoming Divine and said Cassandra would be a good candidate

6)  Didn't tell Cassandra to disband the Seekers, but to make them "better"

7)  My character took most of the "I'm a believer" dialogue choices

[Sugram84]

No, looking at his choices the biggest were allying with mages and saving celene. Gaider stated that the mage/templar choice and winter palace choice are bigger than the chantry dialogue. Conscription and Gaspard favor Cassandra. Those two choices alone put the ball in Leliana's park in that particular playthrough. 

what is u blackmail the 3 to work together (what i did with my second char), then it does not push it neither way (Lil Cass & Viv), i mean its neutral, all 3 equal chances?

 

hmm i so 2nd choice to, u work for me, it was next to u work together, i wonder does this mean, if i chose u work for me, i get the Orlay Throne to myself? LOL

[Sugram84]

I'm pretty sure that supporting Gaspard favours Cassandra, while supporting Briala favours Leliana.  Perhaps Celene favours Vivienne?  I don't think it favours Leliana particularly though.  Having all three work together probably doesn't favour Leliana any more than Cassandra. 

with my mage Celene Lived & ruled alone Gas was killed i think i told Cel Bri helped me, so Cel just Exiled her, & i got Lil as Divine, Cel eats from ur hand so she can't favor some1 u don't favor (i believe), even the ending stated that she clings to the Alliance with Inquisitor to keep her throne, she mite lose it with out ur alliance, but who knows, either way Cel favor did not have enough weight, cause Lil won  

[NyxStele]

I'm still confused about the time where I talked to Viv, and suggested Cass would be a good candidate for divine, and then "support Viv" quest appeared at war table.  Anybody figure that out yet?

 

I finally got a conversation option with Leliana where I could support her through the conversation tree at least.  But I guess you only get war table mission for one of them?

 

I wanted Cass, but anything is better than Viv for the mage that I am playing right now.  Guess I'll find out soon which way it went, but the war table support thing is really odd to me.

[Sugram84]

I'm still confused about the time where I talked to Viv, and suggested Cass would be a good candidate for divine, and then "support Viv" quest appeared at war table.  Anybody figure that out yet?

 

I finally got a conversation option with Leliana where I could support her through the conversation tree at least.  But I guess you only get war table mission for one of them?

 

I wanted Cass, but anything is better than Viv for the mage that I am playing right now.  Guess I'll find out soon which way it went, but the war table support thing is really odd to me.

if u support Lil don't say u would be good divine & also don't agree with her about Cass if u want Lil as divine, with Viv u just get war table mission, maybe with Cass to if u agree with Viv, with Lil its just Dialogue, after that mission where u go to the Well & meet Ancient Elves  guarding the well, after that mission she has a chat with u about the divine, & then just say u support her, its possible that u screwed that up, well maybe not if u have not done Viv's war table mission, u have or not, its still a maybe