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[ElementalFury106]

I don't think we know what Celen + Briala, or all 3 favor in terms of divine candidates.

 

Celene + Briala or all 3 in favor still ends up with just Celene on the throne. It favors Vivienne

[Jaron Oberyn]

That makes sense. 

[Vordish]

Im at the ball right now in my playthrough with Vivienne in my party. She favors Celene. David Gaider said that Briala will put you towards Leliana. We know that Gaspard is Cassandra.

 

As such, I think it makes sense that if you have all three work together that it adds points to all three candidates(Im under the impression its a hidden points system). If you have Gaspard only then it adds to Cassandra only. It would be the same for any other combination.

 

Since Im going for Leliana with disbanding of the Templars...I think it would probably be favourable to either go for Briala alone or Briala + Celene to even out the point distribution.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Im at the ball right now in my playthrough with Vivienne in my party. She favors Celene. David Gaider said that Briala will put you towards Leliana. We know that Gaspard is Cassandra.

 

As such, I think it makes sense that if you have all three work together that it adds points to all three candidates(Im under the impression its a hidden points system). If you have Gaspard only then it adds to Cassandra only. It would be the same for any other combination.

 

Since Im going for Leliana with disbanding of the Templars...I think it would probably be favourable to either go for Briala alone or Briala + Celene to even out the point distribution.

I wouldn't think so, because as ElemetalFury noted Celene still remains on the throne even if they work together. That seems to be the deciding factor. 

[Sugram84]

after listening in i did not talk to this guy's, i always just listened in, worked like a Spy & only talked with important people, this guy's in the video at the beginning

maybe missing some option helps to, like u mite do wrong choice if u don't know the right one to support Lil as Divine, i heard this quest influences the end result to, but don't know how, how meany choices in that mission do, so missing them mite have helped me get Lil previous 2 times, i wonder how my 3th turns out

 

with 3th i plan to blackmail the 3, chose u 3 work for me new, in wicked eyes and wicked hearts, instead of choosing u 3 work together, interesting to know what happens cause of it

 

 

also i recommend, clear ur first area, then to the Val Royal mission & then StormCoast & then saves ur men, missing scouts, & kill the dragon & get final XP to get LVL 12, then get to skyhold, less mess with dialogues & stuff when u don't try to get to OP for the quests, like me with first char, i was lvl 18 or maybe even 20 when i did find Hawk's warden friend to the end & after the desert i did Wicked eyes and..., i was to OP even when i got to Skyhold, & Wicked eyes do after ur romance is set, when its set in stone, for special cut scene & to avoid dialogue mess, i missed 1 Dorian mission cause of it, the one with hes family, so if rushing is bad then so is to slow

[Kittn]

Hi ya'll. Adding the info from my first playthrough to the pile:
 
Result: Viv as Divine

Spoiler

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
-Templars, allied.
 
When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
-Reform. Specifically to Viv early in the game I said "mages should be in the chantry" She seemed to approve of this greatly.
 
Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
-Operation for Viv came up. She was the first person I mentioned supporting in dialogue with her.
 
Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
-I mentioned supporting Cass and Leliana too. However, the war table mission for Viv had already been unlocked, and no further ones showed.
 
Who did you side with on the civil war?
-Celene, reconciled. Gaspard executed.
 
Cassandra disband the seekers?
-Told her to rebuild.
 
Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
-Spared both. Had a nicey nice Leliana for endgame.

This go around I believe I would like Nice Leliana for Divine. I know the ways to keep her from turning into Princess Stabbity, however I want to take the templar path. Reading some of the replies, it's starting to sound like that may be an impossible outcome for me.

I doubt I ever not keep Celene on the throne in some shape or form, for example. I wonder if that means I will end up with Vivi Divine every time.

[Amplitudelol]

Im surprised how many people want to free the mages. I played as a mage but they were conscripted and with Vivienne as Divine mages rot in prisons called circles once again under the watchful eyes of the templars . My only regret is that the mages i conscripted got a chance to leave the inquisition (noone asked me about that btw...) and Vivienne murdered them for resisting going back to the circle.

 

Nearly everything bad happens because of the free mages. Even Anders aknowledges that at the encounter with Corypheus in DA2. Free mages tend to destroy heaven.  Plus summon demons, manipulate time and all kinds of crazy stuff without an authority over them.

 

Yes, my Hawke executed Anders without hesitation .

[fizzypop]

Im surprised how many people want to free the mages. I played as a mage but they were conscripted and with Vivienne as Divine mages rot in prisons called circles once again under the watchful eyes of the templars . My only regret is that the mages i conscripted got a chance to leave the inquisition (noone asked me about that btw...) and Vivienne murdered them for resisting going back to the circle.

 

Nearly everything bad happens because of the free mages. Even Anders aknowledges that at the encounter with Corypheus in DA2. Free mages tend to destroy heaven.  Plus summon demons, manipulate time and all kinds of crazy stuff without an authority over them.

 

Yes, my Hawke executed Anders without hesitation .

Actually vivi allows for a lot of freedom with mages. Not as much as Leliana, but she allows them to pretty much do whatever in the circle and even leave it for periods of time. So they aren't rotting or anything. All three move towards more acceptance of mages. I think cass is probably the more conservative approach as they still are mostly bound to the circle, but I don't really know since I haven't seen her ending. There really isn't a terrible option for mages as progress is moving forward just how much do you want it to move forward? Vivi pretty much makes hogwarts for mages. For vivi: "Mages rise quickly in the new Circle, having more freedom and responsibility then ever before - even if all true power lies with her."

[xnarcosysx]

You have to tell her not to kill Butler, and also tell her she was right to pull her agents back when Corypheus attacked, that they aren't expendable. Sounds like you didn't do that one.





Yes, they even linked the Twitter posting. This has been known for some time, Leliana will stick with the Warden if she becomes Divine. Unlike Cass, Leliana has a more liberal/progressive approach to the chantry.

Nope. I went through all tasks and conversations. I remember that conversation now as I am doing with my qunari. But blaming her this time. Idk what happened.

[MaliciousWolf]

I romanced Cassandra and also supported her for the role of Divine where all my conversations with her really had her displaying the outmost passion for the role, and a focus for peace and taking care of everyone. I also applied the saying of "true love is knowing when to let go" when dealing with the possible end to the romance by having her become Divine.

It just made the most sense to support her all the way through, as it really only makes sense for someone to support the one they love.

Some interesting things to note though that I do not believe have been addressed or mentioned notice of yet. Mind you this contains some dialogue spoilers:

First, the last romance scene with Cassandra when she informs you about becoming divine. I was given three possible responses, one indicated an obvious and guaranteed end to the relationship by stating something in the lines of "It's over for us" along with the broken heart symbol. The other two choices where open ended/multiple pathway responses (indicated by the branching arrows symbol), being "We can still be together" and "I'm happy for you." Being the supportive lover, my character told her he was happy for her. The scene that followed was a bit ominous, where Cassandra states something along the lines of "Let me just enjoy this one last time" which after saying this the credits began to play.

Post credits, Cassandra is still at Skyhold. After a brief conversation with her about becoming divine, she expresses the desire to party up still with the Inquisitor to relieve some stress. The game made sure to make note that by allowing her to join the party, she would join: but only for a time. There was no further dialogue options with her following accepting her back into the party.

Still though, I feel the dialogue options I choose being fairly open ended point toward the possibility that the romance is still in place, just that both my character and Cassandra are too busy at the time to advance it any further, yet this does not mean it had necessarily ended.

Now here is the real kicker, everyone knows that your party members' tarot cards changes depending on their statuses correct? In the case of Cassandra, there is her initial card, her Divine tarot card, and her romance tarot card. After according her back into my party, her tarot card is still in the form of the romance tarot card indicating the relationship is still intact with her in my opinion. Otherwise, I would think the tarot card would show her in her Divine form.

Of course this is only speculation on my part. But when you look at it all, by there being a choice to confirm an end to the relationship or to leave it open ended, along with the tarot card still in the romance form post game, leads me to believe the relationship having ended not really being cut and dry.

Although in the end, I'm happy with the outcome regardless as my character supported Cassandra till the end, even after knowing the possible end to their relationship. It may not end up in written history in later releases, but I like to think of my character as having made a major sacrifice (his ability to be with Cassandra) in order to support her till the end and helping her achieve her most desired goal (in the event the romance is /officially/ ended).

I do hope there is a child between them though, especially where it is such an interesting relationship with myself being a dalish elf mage. Would be cool to interact with said child in future releases.

[ewauksonian]

Actually vivi allows for a lot of freedom with mages. Not as much as Leliana, but she allows them to pretty much do whatever in the circle and even leave it for periods of time. So they aren't rotting or anything. All three move towards more acceptance of mages. I think cass is probably the more conservative approach as they still are mostly bound to the circle, but I don't really know since I haven't seen her ending. There really isn't a terrible option for mages as progress is moving forward just how much do you want it to move forward? Vivi pretty much makes hogwarts for mages. For vivi: "Mages rise quickly in the new Circle, having more freedom and responsibility then ever before - even if all true power lies with her."

Cassandra's "reforms" are the most vague. It's clear what Leliana will do, and it's somewhat clear what Vivienne will do, but Cassandra's reforms are a bit amorphous. At certain points you can question Cassandra on what she wants, but it doesn't really help.

 

However, interestingly enough, this means it's possible that all versions of the Divine need the Inquisition's help, but for different reasons. Vivienne may need support because she's a mage. Leliana may need support because of her radical reforms. Cassandra may need support because she lacks the big picture view.

[Bayien]

Man I am so mad at this, so many hours into a single play-through and i have to flush it if they dont handle the dlc like they did in Origins with character importing. I feel like whatever dlc may come is going to be super important; and if you cant import from the keep ill have to replay the entire game being strictly one way. Bioware sucks for making such an important decision based on my shaky beliefs that only fit the current circumstances.

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable):

 

Vivienne 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)  

 

Mages, conscripted

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Mostly anti-chantry, when the options came up i mostly said mages should be free/would be free after the inquisition (i nregards to conscription) and that the chantry needed reform. NEVER said anything about mages returning to circles. did everyone personal quests, accidentally flirted with Vivienne once.

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

No operations.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Told Vivvienne i'd support leliana, Supported leliana through dialouge  Told Cassandra to refuse (romance option)

Conscripted the grey wardens
 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Gaspard alone/

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No.  Cassandra rebuilt them

Cassandra romanced?

yup
 

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Not sure about the first, told her not to kill sister and she did anyways.

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Told she was right to keep them safe.
 

I'm really starting to think this was random. My first play through had almost all the exact same choices, but i exiled the grey wardens and didnt tell Cass to refuse. I'll go back and tell her to accept and see what happens then.  

UPDATE:
Reloaded a save right after the well of sorrows and before doom upon the world. Openly declared support for Cassandra and  Leliana, but alas, Vivienne remains devine and no support missions appear for me.
Oh maker where have I gone wrong?

 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I romanced Cassandra and also supported her for the role of Divine where all my conversations with her really had her displaying the outmost passion for the role, and a focus for peace and taking care of everyone. I also applied the saying of "true love is knowing when to let go" when dealing with the possible end to the romance by having her become Divine.

It just made the most sense to support her all the way through, as it really only makes sense for someone to support the one they love.

Some interesting things to note though that I do not believe have been addressed or mentioned notice of yet. Mind you this contains some dialogue spoilers:

First, the last romance scene with Cassandra when she informs you about becoming divine. I was given three possible responses, one indicated an obvious and guaranteed end to the relationship by stating something in the lines of "It's over for us" along with the broken heart symbol. The other two choices where open ended/multiple pathway responses (indicated by the branching arrows symbol), being "We can still be together" and "I'm happy for you." Being the supportive lover, my character told her he was happy for her. The scene that followed was a bit ominous, where Cassandra states something along the lines of "Let me just enjoy this one last time" which after saying this the credits began to play.

Post credits, Cassandra is still at Skyhold. After a brief conversation with her about becoming divine, she expresses the desire to party up still with the Inquisitor to relieve some stress. The game made sure to make note that by allowing her to join the party, she would join: but only for a time. There was no further dialogue options with her following accepting her back into the party.

Still though, I feel the dialogue options I choose being fairly open ended point toward the possibility that the romance is still in place, just that both my character and Cassandra are too busy at the time to advance it any further, yet this does not mean it had necessarily ended.

Now here is the real kicker, everyone knows that your party members' tarot cards changes depending on their statuses correct? In the case of Cassandra, there is her initial card, her Divine tarot card, and her romance tarot card. After according her back into my party, her tarot card is still in the form of the romance tarot card indicating the relationship is still intact with her in my opinion. Otherwise, I would think the tarot card would show her in her Divine form.

Of course this is only speculation on my part. But when you look at it all, by there being a choice to confirm an end to the relationship or to leave it open ended, along with the tarot card still in the romance form post game, leads me to believe the relationship having ended not really being cut and dry.

Although in the end, I'm happy with the outcome regardless as my character supported Cassandra till the end, even after knowing the possible end to their relationship. It may not end up in written history in later releases, but I like to think of my character as having made a major sacrifice (his ability to be with Cassandra) in order to support her till the end and helping her achieve her most desired goal (in the event the romance is /officially/ ended).

I do hope there is a child between them though, especially where it is such an interesting relationship with myself being a dalish elf mage. Would be cool to interact with said child in future releases.

 

Gaider already confirmed that the Divine ending for Cassandra may or may not end the romance. Those who get that ending will have to wait and see. As of now, the only ending that we know for certain keeps them together is if she doesn't ascend to the throne.

 

Also, the ending scene on the balcony with her is essentially the same regardless of whether she becomes divine. The dialogue exchange she has there is her wanting to enjoy the time you have together before you have to go entertain the nobles for the weeks and months to come, which Leliana referred to upon your return. She wasn't referring to her becoming divine in that scene. "You will be pulled in a hundred different directions in the weeks and months to come" is her line if she isn't divine. If she is, she mentions her coronation before stating that.

[Jaron Oberyn]

 

Man I am so mad at this, so many hours into a single play-through and i have to flush it if they dont handle the dlc like they did in Origins with character importing. I feel like whatever dlc may come is going to be super important; and if you cant import from the keep ill have to replay the entire game being strictly one way. Bioware sucks for making such an important decision based on my shaky beliefs that only fit the current circumstances.

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable):

 

Vivienne 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)  

 

Mages, conscripted

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Mostly anti-chantry, when the options came up i mostly said mages should be free/would be free after the inquisition (i nregards to conscription) and that the chantry needed reform. NEVER said anything about mages returning to circles. did everyone personal quests, accidentally flirted with Vivienne once.

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

No operations.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Told Vivvienne i'd support leliana, Supported leliana through dialouge  Told Cassandra to refuse (romance option)

Conscripted the grey wardens
 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Gaspard alone/

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No.  Cassandra rebuilt them

Cassandra romanced?

yup
 

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Not sure about the first, told her not to kill sister and she did anyways.

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Told she was right to keep them safe.
 

I'm really starting to think this was random. My first play through had almost all the exact same choices, but i exiled the grey wardens and didnt tell Cass to refuse. I'll go back and tell her to accept and see what happens then.  

UPDATE:
Reloaded a save right after the well of sorrows and before doom upon the world. Openly declared support for Cassandra and  Leliana, but alas, Vivienne remains devine and no support missions appear for me.
Oh maker where have I gone wrong?

 

 

I don't know what to tell you. Conscription of mages isn't freedom btw, that favors both Viv and Cass. Gaspard as far as we know favors Cassandra as well. Are you remembering your dialogue choices correctly? That's the only thing I can think of.

[CENIC]

I managed to get Cassandra on my last playthrough despite allying with the mages and reuniting Celene and Briala; it seems like picking dialogue options about Chantry/Circle reform and supporting Cassandra were all I needed.

Now I'm in a new playthrough and attempting to get Vivienne. I conscripted the Templars and made Gaspard Briala's puppet, so again, I think I'm working against the invisible point system here. I've supported Vivienne in dialogue, unlocked and completed her war table support mission, and picked options that do not support Cassandra or Leliana in dialogue with them. I may rush to the end just to see how it goes! I think Leliana might ninja her way into the position because of the choices I made with the Templars and the Orlesian throne - I also "hardened" Leliana and when I refused to support her she said ominously that she isn't Divine... YET.

Wish me luck!

EDIT: I'm really curious now how the Keep will handle the Divine situation. Will we be allowed to choose any Divine we wish, or will it be automatically generated based on other plot points we select?

[Katsaurs]

I just finished my first canon playthrough, talk about almost feeling like being punched in the gut. Here's my choices for what its worth:

 

 

-- Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

Leliana (Hardened)

 

 

-- Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Mages, Free

 

 

-- When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

I'm pretty sure I expressed views that mages should be free and that the chantry needed changing/reformed because as it is now, its pretty crappy.

 

 

-- Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

Only one became available for Cassandra after dialogue with her

 

 

-- Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Yes, Cassandra. No candidate dialogue appeared for Vivienne and after Leliana's personal quest line was finished she eventually mentioned about being a candidate. I told her I wouldn't support her/tried to sway her away from the thought, however she told me it wasn't for me to decide anyway and left it very ominous. ("I am not Divine. Yet.")

 

 

-- Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene, w/ Briala spared and in exile. 

 

 

-- Cassandra disband the seekers?

No, I left it to her to decide what to do with them and it seemed she chose to reform them with her ideas.  

 

 

-- Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Leliana killed the traitor and also killed Natalie. 

 

 

-- Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

I told her she was right to keep her scouts safe.

 

 

After thought: It seems that maybe allowing her to kill the traitor early in the game or showing indifference to it bode more weight to her eventual hardening than I thought it would, as I distinctly remember praising her for keeping her scouts safe as that felt like the more humane thing to do. To me that puts a point in both the merciful and ruthless column (killing traitor & saving her scouts), yet when it came to the overall spare the sister or not, she still kills her when I tell her not to do so and proceeds to call my a hypocrite.

 

I could be wrong, perhaps there's a lot more to it that I've missed that lead to her eventual hardening as I made sure to try and keep her compassionate with each dialogue option I had with her. The only one I missed or recall giving her a nod to be ruthless was the Haven scout killing.

 

Ugh, I'm pretty bummed that I got Hardened Leliana as the divine; would've much preferred Cassandra or Softened Leliana for canon purposes. I feel bad now for breaking the promise to my Warden to help keep Leliana on the path of light.

[Patchwork]

Vivienne is Divine.

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Conscripted mages.

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Chantry needed reform.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

No but the war table clitched after the Winter Palace and I wasn't getting many operations.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Supported Leliana but didn't tell the others that I didn't support them. 

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene and Briala

Cassandra disband the seekers?
 

No.

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Killed.

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

She was right.

 

Wardens?

 

Recruited.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Got Cassandra as Divine. Josephine romance.

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. 
 

- Sided Templars- full alliance (didn't disband them)

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

- Generally said the chantry was fine. That being said in a few conversations I noted how the chantry should be better, and agreed with Cassandra's ideals.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

- Both Cass and Vivienne's support mission showed up. I did Cassandra's only.

 

 

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

- Fully supported Cassandra, supported Leliana in one conversation with her.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

- Celene, Briala and Ghaspard working together.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

- She reformed the seekers. Worth noting in the game I told her that I can't decide for her whether she should reform them or not.

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

- Spared both.

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

- She was right.

[Frenrihr]

 

I just finished my first canon playthrough, talk about almost feeling like being punched in the gut. Here's my choices for what its worth:

 

 

-- Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

Leliana (Hardened)

 

 

-- Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Mages, Free

 

 

-- When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

I'm pretty sure I expressed views that mages should be free and that the chantry needed changing/reformed because as it is now, its pretty crappy.

 

 

-- Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

Only one became available for Cassandra after dialogue with her

 

 

-- Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Yes, Cassandra. No candidate dialogue appeared for Vivienne and after Leliana's personal quest line was finished she eventually mentioned about being a candidate. I told her I wouldn't support her/tried to sway her away from the thought, however she told me it wasn't for me to decide anyway and left it very ominous. ("I am not Divine. Yet.")

 

 

-- Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene, w/ Briala spared and in exile. 

 

 

-- Cassandra disband the seekers?

No, I left it to her to decide what to do with them and it seemed she chose to reform them with her ideas.  

 

 

-- Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Leliana killed the traitor and also killed Natalie. 

 

 

-- Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

I told her she was right to keep her scouts safe.

 

 

After thought: It seems that maybe allowing her to kill the traitor early in the game or showing indifference to it bode more weight to her eventual hardening than I thought it would, as I distinctly remember praising her for keeping her scouts safe as that felt like the more humane thing to do. To me that puts a point in both the merciful and ruthless column (killing traitor & saving her scouts), yet when it came to the overall spare the sister or not, she still kills her when I tell her not to do so and proceeds to call my a hypocrite.

 

I could be wrong, perhaps there's a lot more to it that I've missed that lead to her eventual hardening as I made sure to try and keep her compassionate with each dialogue option I had with her. The only one I missed or recall giving her a nod to be ruthless was the Haven scout killing.

 

Ugh, I'm pretty bummed that I got Hardened Leliana as the divine; would've much preferred Cassandra or Softened Leliana for canon purposes. I feel bad now for breaking the promise to my Warden to help keep Leliana on the path of light.

 

 

It was because of the first guy she killed, you supported that so thats why she also called you an hypocrite.

[thesuperdarkone2]

I'm wondering, does conscripting the templars support Leliana?

[Bayien]

I don't know what to tell you. Conscription of mages isn't freedom btw, that favors both Viv and Cass. Gaspard as far as we know favors Cassandra as well. Are you remembering your dialogue choices correctly? That's the only thing I can think of.

I was more playing the cassandra side of things in dialogue and major plot point decisions with a few exceptions.I read through this thread a while ago when i began my 2nd playthrough to make sure i got one of the two as divine, so i decided to try and get bonus points for leliana as well. As far as i know all of my dialogue was geared towards leliana or cassandra, and if not most of it was; with the exception of very few that were vague and didnt seem like a huge deal. Do we know how the grey wardens affect Vivienne at all? Assuming im not forgetting all the important dialogue options i made, can who you conscript/free be such an important decision that early on in the game?

Where does the chantry representative come into the game? I may try saying something different to her and play from there on if its not too far back, see what i can do. Aswell, can someone give me more detail on how to keep leliana soft? ive never got the first mission from her it seems, where you can choose to kill or spare the traitor/spy or whatever.

[Frenrihr]

I'm wondering, does conscripting the templars support Leliana?

There is a lot of questions on the templars side, who knows, logic says yes, but who knows.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I managed to get Cassandra on my last playthrough despite allying with the mages and reuniting Celene and Briala; it seems like picking dialogue options about Chantry/Circle reform and supporting Cassandra were all I needed.

Now I'm in a new playthrough and attempting to get Vivienne. I conscripted the Templars and made Gaspard Briala's puppet, so again, I think I'm working against the invisible point system here. I've supported Vivienne in dialogue, unlocked and completed her war table support mission, and picked options that do not support Cassandra or Leliana in dialogue with them. I may rush to the end just to see how it goes! I think Leliana might ninja her way into the position because of the choices I made with the Templars and the Orlesian throne - I also "hardened" Leliana and when I refused to support her she said ominously that she isn't Divine... YET.

Wish me luck!

EDIT: I'm really curious now how the Keep will handle the Divine situation. Will we be allowed to choose any Divine we wish, or will it be automatically generated based on other plot points we select?

I think it will be handled sort of how they do other decisions that may require previous choices. It'll notify you if there are conflicts or not, and recommend changes.

 

I'm wondering, does conscripting the templars support Leliana?

 

There is a lot of questions on the templars side, who knows, logic says yes, but who knows.

 

Yes, we don't really know much about the templar route. I would gather more information myself, but I can't stomach another playthrough with that mission. Conscription for templars is the equivalent of freeing mages right? While disbanding templars = conscripting mages?

 

 

 

I was more playing the cassandra side of things in dialogue and major plot point decisions with a few exceptions.I read through this thread a while ago when i began my 2nd playthrough to make sure i got one of the two as divine, so i decided to try and get bonus points for leliana as well. As far as i know all of my dialogue was geared towards leliana or cassandra, and if not most of it was; with the exception of very few that were vague and didnt seem like a huge deal. Do we know how the grey wardens affect Vivienne at all? Assuming im not forgetting all the important dialogue options i made, can who you conscript/free be such an important decision that early on in the game?

Where does the chantry representative come into the game? I may try saying something different to her and play from there on if its not too far back, see what i can do. Aswell, can someone give me more detail on how to keep leliana soft? ive never got the first mission from her it seems, where you can choose to kill or spare the traitor/spy or whatever.

 

Oh yes, just because the decision is in the beginning of the game doesn't mean it won't carry tremendous weight. Even dialogue choices in the beginning of the game affect who will become divine/other things towards the end. I don't know if the Warden decision affects anything. Gaider didn't mention it in his post, so I'm assuming its of little consequence if any. The chantry representative comes right after Halamshiral. Keep Leli soft by telling her not to kill Butler, telling her she was right to pull her men back after Haven, that they aren't expendable, and telling her to let Natalie live. The Butler dialogue happens right after you talk to her for the first time in Haven. An inquisition scout runs to her and the dialogue starts. Natalie is towards the end of the game. After the Arbor Wilds or I think, or maybe it was just before you head there.

[Wulfherth]

What if you have the truce outcome for winter palace (with you being the de facto ruler of orlais)

It takes forever but you can find blackmail for all the three idiots and as long as approval is like 85 you become de facto ruler of orlais.

[thesuperdarkone2]

What if you have the truce outcome for winter palace (with you being the de facto ruler of orlais)

It takes forever but you can find blackmail for all the three idiots and as long as approval is like 85 you become de facto ruler of orlais.

From what I can tell, Vivienne gets points since Celene is still empress in that ending. If Celene is still alive, Vivienne gets support.