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[Jaron Oberyn]

Are we sure of this? I'm just wondering because I basically didn't talk to Viv the entire game, and at the end, I didn't even know she was an option to become the Divine.

 

After I recruited Viv, I spoke to her once. During that conversation, I got a romance prompt and tried to hit on her. She delivered such a scatching put down that I never spoke to her again for the rest of the game.

 

When I got to the end, the only people mentioned at any point as being up for the position of Divine were Cassandra and Leliana. Nobody mentioned Viv, and I didn't get any mission for her. Until I saw this thread just now, I had no idea it was even possible to get Viv as Divine. Not that I would have wanted that, given how cruel she is in matters of the heart.

 

 

Here's what I did to the best of my recollection:

 

Cassanrda is Divine.

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Free mages.

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Mages need to be free! Though given how things turned out in DA2 when I supported Anders in this stance, I don't know why I thought this was a good idea. 

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

None came up.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

I supported Cassandra. I spoke to Leliana, but I don't remember a prompt to support her, so I must have taken the conversation a different direction.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

I suggested she might be able to reform them.

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

I definitely told Leliana she was right to save her scouts, and I told her not to kill the sister at the Chantry, but she killed her anyway and became hardended. So I guess she must have killed the traitor at Haven, though I don't recall.

 

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)

 

I told the ambassador they would have to make up their own mind.

 

Cassandra romanced?

 

No, I romanced Josephine.

 

Wardens?

 

I kept them as allies. I then sent them on a mission at my war table about five minutes later where they were immediately wiped out in their entirety. Whoops! So... I chose to keep them, but they all died anyway, if that somehow matters.

Quite certain. Ask the people who were robbed of their divine choice when Viv ninja'd the throne.

[ashwind]

 

I just finished my first canon playthrough, talk about almost feeling like being punched in the gut. Here's my choices for what its worth:

 

 

-- Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

Leliana (Hardened)

 

 

-- Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Mages, Free

 

 

-- When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

I'm pretty sure I expressed views that mages should be free and that the chantry needed changing/reformed because as it is now, its pretty crappy.

 

 

-- Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

Only one became available for Cassandra after dialogue with her

 

 

-- Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Yes, Cassandra. No candidate dialogue appeared for Vivienne and after Leliana's personal quest line was finished she eventually mentioned about being a candidate. I told her I wouldn't support her/tried to sway her away from the thought, however she told me it wasn't for me to decide anyway and left it very ominous. ("I am not Divine. Yet.")

 

 

-- Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene, w/ Briala spared and in exile. 

 

 

-- Cassandra disband the seekers?

No, I left it to her to decide what to do with them and it seemed she chose to reform them with her ideas.  

 

 

-- Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Leliana killed the traitor and also killed Natalie. 

 

 

-- Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

I told her she was right to keep her scouts safe.

 

 

After thought: It seems that maybe allowing her to kill the traitor early in the game or showing indifference to it bode more weight to her eventual hardening than I thought it would, as I distinctly remember praising her for keeping her scouts safe as that felt like the more humane thing to do. To me that puts a point in both the merciful and ruthless column (killing traitor & saving her scouts), yet when it came to the overall spare the sister or not, she still kills her when I tell her not to do so and proceeds to call my a hypocrite.

 

I could be wrong, perhaps there's a lot more to it that I've missed that lead to her eventual hardening as I made sure to try and keep her compassionate with each dialogue option I had with her. The only one I missed or recall giving her a nod to be ruthless was the Haven scout killing.

 

Ugh, I'm pretty bummed that I got Hardened Leliana as the divine; would've much preferred Cassandra or Softened Leliana for canon purposes. I feel bad now for breaking the promise to my Warden to help keep Leliana on the path of light.

 

 

What did you do with the Wardens? I did everything you do but Cassandra became divine...  

 

edit: I will add - Cassandra became divine 2x in my play throughs - once Soften Leliana, once harden Leliana. Choices same as above except exile Wardens

[Violetbliss]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

 

Cassandra

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Mages, free

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Mostly ranging from chantry ok to chantry needing reforms, always inquiring on character's views rather than the inquisitors if possible. Always mages need to be free or circles are tolerable at best. Discussed reform with Cass.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Supported Cassandra, the first to come up and the only I saw. Cass was my first friend.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Yes, Cassandra outright, but also telling Leliana than she would make a decent one.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene, she reconciled with Briala and Gaspard was executed.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No, reform after letting her decide their fate

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Spared both

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Safe, basically, Leliana Softened route all the way.

[FiveThreeTen]

Oh shoot, I'm nearing the end of the game and it's looking like most of my game choices lean toward Leliana becoming the new divine, except I'm afraid she'll be "hardened."

Unfortunately, you have to stop her from killing the traitor in Haven AND tell her that she was right to withdraw her people after you reach Skyhold, otherwise she will be hardened. I made the same "mistake" on my first playthrough, staying silent seemed the most logical for my character.

[Exalus]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

 

leliana   semi softened

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Mages, free

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Primarily reform, viv hated me.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

supported no one, no choice was given to support cass.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

Support cass through dialogue , neutral for leliana

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Celene, she reconciled with Briala and Gaspard was executed.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

Caer bronach unlocked but not completed

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

Spared first , second not completed but still got softened ending

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

said she was right

 

 

 

I may try running through this once again but fully completing cassandra's questline, raising her approval and doing every cutscence. On a very very similar playthrough I got Cassandra as Divine even though the main difference was that I progressed cass's questline completing and had extremely high approval. It seems having her like you will allow you support her through the WT and by correlation raise the odds she will be named divine.

 

After seeing the 4 possible endings for divine, it really does seem softened leli is the best one even though i initially pinned for cassandra to be divine.

[hong]

So, what exactly are these war table operations that are mentioned? I don't think I've ever seen them....

In Leliana's case, is that the one where you go to the village chantry to retrieve Justinia's message?

[FiveThreeTen]

So, what exactly are these war table operations that are mentioned? I don't think I've ever seen them....

In Leliana's case, is that the one where you go to the village chantry to retrieve Justinia's message?

No. These are just wartable missions to support one candidate. We don't know precisely at which point they are available because for some people it never shows up.

For me, the "Support Cassandra" mission appeared right after I supported Cassandra through dialogue after one of the main quest you do after getting Skyhold (Here Lies the Abyss or Wicked Hearts and Wicked Eyes) when that Chantry lady comes to tell you both Cass and Leliana are being considered for Divine.

I think your level of Influence may have an effect on wether the war table operation is succesful or not but it's just speculation on my part.

[CENIC]

If I'm trying to make Vivienne the Divine, and Cassandra is currently the candidate, is there anything I can do to give Viv an edge?
I haven't done Cassandra's personal quest yet so I was going to try resolving that and see if I get a different result based on my decision (disbanding the Seekers or telling her to rebuild them)
I also haven't spoken to Dorian about mages yet. I seem to recall telling Vivienne waaay back in Haven when I spoke to her about mages that the Chantry is necessary rather than mages should be in the Chantry, which seems to have tilted things in Cassandra's favor.

[Katsaurs]

What did you do with the Wardens? I did everything you do but Cassandra became divine...  

 

edit: I will add - Cassandra became divine 2x in my play throughs - once Soften Leliana, once harden Leliana. Choices same as above except exile Wardens

 

From what I can remember I asked them to join my cause, but most of them were wiped out via war table missions

 

I thought that perhaps the reason Cass didn't become Divine in my playthrough was because she chose to rebuild the seekers instead.

[firefox81]

Who became your divine?

Vivienne (Queen

 

Who did  you romance? (if it even matters)
Josephine
 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Mages - Conscripted

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

I played as an Elf, and felt that the Chantry was uneeded.  I spoke of freedom and Reform.  Never agreed that it was "fine" (Viv was NOT a fan of my discussions)

 

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

There was never a table operation... which made me sad as I was pushing for Cass... Lilianna have a Warden waiting for her so I didn't want to destory their love that I worked so hard to make happen in DA:O

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

I didn't support either in initial conversations... supported both towards the end.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene... exiled Gas

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No

 

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Spared Traitor Haven and Chantry -Softened her

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

She was right

 

 

 

Second playthrough I might try the Templar Route... and romance Cass.  I'm gonne push for Liliana this next time.  But I was very disappointed that I never even got an operations option to try to support either one.  NO clue how Viv got it since I went against her in every conversation... and spoke of reform or freedom.  I even, when forced to support or deny Liliana, I supported her.  I had the guide and I saw it mentioned the operations table, so I thought "Hey... I'll have a chance to support Cass so this decision isn't going to matter as much".  Guess it mattered a LOT less then I through since Viv ninja'd it!  That B!#$H!!!!  That was my biggest disappointment with my epilogue. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

The wartable missions seem to only show up if you use the special dialogue option in the upper left corner when talking to the candidates about the position. It's typically "I could help you become divine" and IIRC it has the yellow hand or crown symbol. I think you need a dialogue perk for it, but I could be wrong. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

Hardened Leliana

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Allied with mages

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Said that the Chantry was useless and that mages should be free

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

No war table operation opened up

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

Said I'd support Leliana

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Celene and Briala reconciled

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

Yes, the Seekers were disbanded

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

Told Leliana to kill the traitor

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

Told her she was right to keep her scouts safe

[Frenrihr]

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

 

Leliana Softned

 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Mages free

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

Well at the start i was kind of "wee need the circle" mostly with Viviene, but then after knowing how the game handles the divine stuff i went full mages should be free, i told Cassandra the chantry failed and i didnt wanted the same she wanted in some of the conversations with her, i got her disapproval for going against the chantry but it was for her own good.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Nope, no one was available and i did no one.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

I supported Leliana i thought she was the right choice.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Make them work together.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

Yes i specifically told her: "Forget about the seekers"

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

None killed both spared, i promised my warden to keep her in the path of light and i did.

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Told her she was right.

 

 

 

At the end Cassandra stays with my Inquisitor, SO, if you want that particularly follow my choices: like i said, go against the chantry when speaking with Cassandra, in one of her conversations she will say some stuff and you will have the option to tell her "I dont want the same things", in another conversation she will talk about being divine tell her "There is other ways to help the chantry", then in the last conversation with her before the final missions tell her "I wont loose you to the chantry".

 

At the same time you should be supporting Leliana all the times you speak to her about being Divine.

[BraveVesperia]

My latest playthrough had these results, if it's any use to anyone.

 

Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

 

Cassandra

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

Free mages

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

In conversations with Vivienne (and a couple of others), I chose that mages should be free, the Chantry failed, etc. However, with Cassandra, I tended to pick the most neutral options and tried to avoid expressing strong opinions on it. I picked options stating my Inq wasn't a follower of the Chantry/Maker.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

 

Vivienne's was the only option to come up, which I ignored.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

I encouraged Cassandra and told her she would make a good Divine. I agreed with Vivienne that we should support Cass, and told Leliana she wouldn't have the Inquisitior's support.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

Gaspard, with Briala ruling behind the scenes.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

No, I told her to make them better than they were.

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

 

She killed both.

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

 

Told her she was wrong (end result that Leliana was hardened).

[hong]

The wartable missions seem to only show up if you use the special dialogue option in the upper left corner when talking to the candidates about the position. It's typically "I could help you become divine" and IIRC it has the yellow hand or crown symbol. I think you need a dialogue perk for it, but I could be wrong.

Ah, thanks. I think I've had that convo with Cassandra (and didn't pick it). How do I get it for Leliana?

I've done both the Halamshiral and Adamant/Fade missions, as well as most of the companion quests including getting Justinia's message and killing Lord Seeker Lucian.

[JessicaRangel]

Maybe my playthrough will help you, it's a bit different.

- Cassandra Divine
- Allied with the Templars
- Consistently pro-faith
- Exiled Wardens
- Reunited Celene and Briala
- Told Vivienne she'd be a good Divine
- I don't remember what I told Leliana. Since she was hardened (by mistake), I may have said she wasn't fit for the role. No idea.
- Told Cassandra the choice was hers
- only got "support Vivienne" mission, but didn't complete it

I'll try to do the support mission later and see what happens.

[Aeula]

Divine: Cassandra
Side: Templars (Conscripted)
Consistently anti-chantry, told Vivienne that mages needed shoving in a circle early in the game.
Told Cassandra not to reform the seekers and that I didn't want her as divine, refused to support her.
Reunited Celene with Briala.
Exiled Wardens (Let the warden companion live (Alistair) and killed Hawke)
Supported Leliana as divine and tried to harden her (Though miaclicked once and told her to forget the (Old) divine which was apparently contradictory to what I said earlier).
Morrigan drank from the well
Romanced Solas
Never saw any support missions.
Never talked to viv about becoming divine, no option to do so.
Oh and just in case this matters: I killed Leliana in origins, she seemed kinda pissed about that, hehe.

A bit disappointed at first, but apparently her ascent caused a civil war in the chantry, so huzzah!
'The first time the Chantry has ever declared open war.... On itself' according to Morrigan.

[elnawawi]

First playthrough

 

Spoiler

 

Who became your divine? Cass - Positive Approval

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. Templars - conscript

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? Mix between blaming the chantry and say it should go, saying it need to reform.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all? None of them came up at all.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them? Yes, Cass, and discouraged Lel

 

Who did you side with on the civil war? Forced Celene, Gaspard, and Briala to work together

 

Cassandra disband the seekers? I told her her she can do what she wants (the heart option, and she eventually reformed them)

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry? spared both

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong? told she was wrong I think

 

Few things I might add (not included in above questions) : My character was a female Dalish rogue, earned Cass as a friend. and had negative approval wioth Viv I think (or maybe very very low positive approval), no option ever came to talk with her about the whole divine business.

 

 

2nd playthrough

 

Spoiler

 

Who became your divine? Leliana - Hardened

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. Mages - free

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? Mix between blaming the chantry, saying it need to reform, and told Viv that I'd like to see a change and it would be to let mages to join the chantry.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all? The only one came up was Viv, right after I promised her my support (choose the dialogue option with a crown), and I did the operation without hesitation (Had only 9 influence by the end of the game, I might add)

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them? Yes, Viv. I discouraged both Lel and Cass

 

Who did you side with on the civil war? Reunited Celene and Briala

 

Cassandra disband the seekers? I told her to forget about them/let them go.

  

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry? Killed both

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong? don't remember.

 

Few things I might add (not included in above questions) : My character was a human mage. And a friend of Viv.

 

[Wanderer]

I did everything to make Leliana divine as described in the 1st post template, but exiled wardens, and Cassandra ended up divine.

Then i reloaded before adamant keep, made same choices as before (like literally, i said the same words to everybody as in previous playthrough), but now allowed wardens to stay and Leliana ended up divine. 

 

Is it even possible to have softened Leliana as divine while also having wardens exiled?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Ah, thanks. I think I've had that convo with Cassandra (and didn't pick it). How do I get it for Leliana?

I've done both the Halamshiral and Adamant/Fade missions, as well as most of the companion quests including getting Justinia's message and killing Lord Seeker Lucian.

You can only choose that specific dialogue option for one of the candidates. Once you select it, it will be gone from the other 2's conversatons. It's availabe to all 3, you just have to spend it on your choice and then it will unlock the war table operation. The convo is towards the end of the game, either before or after the arbor wilds. 

 

I did everything to make Leliana divine as described in the 1st post template, but exiled wardens, and Cassandra ended up divine.

Then i reloaded before adamant keep, made same choices as before (like literally, i said the same words to everybody as in previous playthrough), but now allowed wardens to stay and Leliana ended up divine. 

 

Is it even possible to have softened Leliana as divine while also having wardens exiled?

Whether she's softened or hardened doesn't impact her becoming the divine, nor does it change her position on issues. Gaider didn't mention the warden choice having any impact on the divine candidacy. Are you sure you said the exact same dialogue? I'm fairly certain I had a playthrough where I exiled wardens and still got Leliana as the divine. Also try siding with Briala and exiling the wardens. I think that's what I did on that particular playthrough. Briala is the candidate that favors Leliana when it comes to the winter palace. 

[hong]

You can only choose that specific dialogue option for one of the candidates. Once you select it, it will be gone from the other 2's conversatons. It's availabe to all 3, you just have to spend it on your choice and then it will unlock the war table operation. The convo is towards the end of the game, either before or after the arbor wilds.

Well, I definitely didn't support Cass when it came up. Still waiting on the option for Leli, though. I've exhausted all my dialogue choices with her (except for asking if she and Justinia were "more than friends" because that just seems crass).

[Kirby5413]

If I'm trying to make Vivienne the Divine, and Cassandra is currently the candidate, is there anything I can do to give Viv an edge?
I haven't done Cassandra's personal quest yet so I was going to try resolving that and see if I get a different result based on my decision (disbanding the Seekers or telling her to rebuild them)
I also haven't spoken to Dorian about mages yet. I seem to recall telling Vivienne waaay back in Haven when I spoke to her about mages that the Chantry is necessary rather than mages should be in the Chantry, which seems to have tilted things in Cassandra's favor.

Same here! I did a war table operation for Vivienne and told her that she would be a good divine and discouraged Cassandra from being divine. Hopefully someone around here will answer our questions!

[Elfyoth]

I want Leliana to be Divine but havent finished this playthrough yet so..: 

 

 

Sided with mages full alliance

 

Let Wardens Stay and made with them an alliance

 

Celene lives Briala is her lover again Gaspard is dead

 

Done anti chantry choice but tried to be reasonable and not be to anti chantry, somkind of a neutral person. 

 

Told Leliana to let the traitor agent to live

 

Told Leliana to not kill Sister Natalie or whatever her name was. 

 

Brought Viv the lost circle tomes

 

Didnt romance Cassandra or ANYONE. 

 

Inquisitor Drank from the Well.

 

Didnt do ANY support operations for any candidate. 

 

My Inquisitor is best friend with Cass, Viv and Leliana soooo.. 

 

Who do you think will be the divine in my playthrough? 

[CENIC]

Same here! I did a war table operation for Vivienne and told her that she would be a good divine and discouraged Cassandra from being divine. Hopefully someone around here will answer our questions!

I tried doing Cassandra's personal quest and told her to forget about the Seekers, hoping that would knock her out of the running and put Vivienne on top. Instead, Leliana became Divine.

I was planning to re-play this character anyway, so it isn't a big deal... but I have to plan out how I am going to get the Divine I want while still making major plot decisions that are consistent with the character. Briala ruling Orlais has to happen, Wardens exiled has to happen... I have more flexibility on mages vs templars, though either way conscripting them is more in-character for my elven Inquisitor.