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[hong]

Just got hardened Leliana as divine in my second playthrough:


Q.Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)
A. Hardened Leli


Q. Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
A. Freed the mages


Q. When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
A. Random, don't recall any consistent pattern


Q. Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
A. No ops were available


Q. Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
A. Leliana (this conversation only becomes available after What Pride Had Wrought)


Q. Who did you side with on the civil war?
A. Reunited Celene and Briala


Q. Cassandra disband the seekers?
A. No, rebuilding


Q. Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
A. Killed


Q. Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
A. Right, but Leli won the argument


Q. Recruited or banished Wardens?
A. Recruited

[hong]

Also, is there any consensus yet on the best options to get Cass as Divine?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Yep. Throughout this thread, many of the questions that are being asked are either answered in the OP, or the past 10 or so pages. 

[Melyanna]

Here is my first playthrough - Vivienne ended up Divine:

 

Q.Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)
A. Vivienne

Q. Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
A. Templars. Free.

Q. When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
A. Mostly that the chantry needs to exist and is fine. On a few occasions I answered that the chantry needs to be reformed.

Q. Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
A. I had the Vivienne one.

Q. Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
A. Cassandra at first, then realized Vivienne was a better choice for me, so started supporting her. I don't remember having any Divine-specific dialogue with Leliana in which I could support her.

Q. Who did you side with on the civil war?
A. Celene

Q. Cassandra disband the seekers?
A. No, rebuilding

Q. Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
A. Killed both of them.

Q. Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
A. Told her she was right, and she agreed in the end.

[hong]

Yep. Throughout this thread, many of the questions that are being asked are either answered in the OP, or the past 10 or so pages.

Hmm, I'm not seeing it... what I really want to know is, are there any major decisions that will give points for Cassandra, like freeing the mages does for Leli? I've gone with the mages in the last 2 playthroughs and I'd like to see how the templars play out, but I also want to get Divine Cass this time round.

(It might be good to update the OP with the new data, if possible.)

[SugarBabe49]

I think this whole thing is so damn confusing. I got Cassandra for Divine - and I wasn't even aiming for her.

 

Q.Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)
A. Cassandra

Q. Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
A. Templars. Free

Q. When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
A. Said that the Chantry needed to be reformed - to start doing it's job - ie, supporting the religious

Q. Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
A. No war table support showed up

Q. Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
A. Told Leliana I would support her - told Viviene that Leliana would be a good choice

Q. Who did you side with on the civil war?
A. I got a truce - so Celene (as I got all three people agree to testify if it came down to it - accused Celene first, then Briala then Gaspard came up automatically)

Q. Cassandra disband the seekers?
A. No, rebuilding

Q. Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
A. Spared both of them

 

Q. Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
A. Told her she was right to keep  her scouts safe.

 

So was it because I kept saying the Chantry needed to reform I got Cassandra? I played as a Mage Qunari (Female)

[Sallou]

If read through the whole thread and am still not 100% sure.. Can I get Cassandra with the following:

 

Conscript mages

Reconcile Briala and Celene, or have all three rule together.

Reform Seekers

And obviously talk a lot about reforming the cantry.

 

I've tried 3 times and always get Vivienne.

[Battlebloodmage]

I think this whole thing is so damn confusing. I got Cassandra for Divine - and I wasn't even aiming for her.

 

Q.Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)
A. Cassandra

Q. Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
A. Templars. Free

Q. When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
A. Said that the Chantry needed to be reformed - to start doing it's job - ie, supporting the religious

Q. Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
A. No war table support showed up

Q. Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
A. Told Leliana I would support her - told Viviene that Leliana would be a good choice

Q. Who did you side with on the civil war?
A. I got a truce - so Celene (as I got all three people agree to testify if it came down to it - accused Celene first, then Briala then Gaspard came up automatically)

Q. Cassandra disband the seekers?
A. No, rebuilding

Q. Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
A. Spared both of them

 

Q. Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
A. Told her she was right to keep  her scouts safe.

 

So was it because I kept saying the Chantry needed to reform I got Cassandra? I played as a Mage Qunari (Female)

It's because you sided with the templars. I don't think it's very likely or even impossible for Lelianna to become the divine if you side with them.

[SugarBabe49]

It's because you sided with the templars. I don't think it's very likely or even impossible for Lelianna to become the divine if you side with them.

Interesting - I have a playthrough (that I haven't completed) where I've sided with the Mages (allied with them). I'll do the same as above and see if I can get Leliana as Divine this time round.

[Azzanadra]

Do you guys tend to rebuild the Seekers or no? It sounds all fine and dandy, until you realize you and Cassandra would be apart if your romancing her. Pretty much why I don't want her as Divine even though she's the best option IMO. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

honistly there is about as mutch impact to the plot as the quest choimes in me1 2 and 3 did the missle hit the resedential area or the spaceport?  

[Jaron Oberyn]

Hmm, I'm not seeing it... what I really want to know is, are there any major decisions that will give points for Cassandra, like freeing the mages does for Leli? I've gone with the mages in the last 2 playthroughs and I'd like to see how the templars play out, but I also want to get Divine Cass this time round.

(It might be good to update the OP with the new data, if possible.)

This has been said within the last 1-5 pages. Conscripting mages, not forcing the Templars to join the inquisition and disband their Order, putting Gaspard on the throne, and supporting Cassandra's ideals when she speaks of them to you will put her on the throne, along with chantry reform dialogue. 

[M-Taylor]

Okay, I have two questions guys haha

 

Can I get Leliana as a hard Divine by ->

 

Conscripting Templars

Briala rules through Gaspard

Wardens redeemed

Leliana will be hardened

Cassandra will likely have bad approval and the Seekers will be disbanded.

 

I know these questions must be annoying but in this scenario, it seems to favor Leliana slightly more than anyone else (Briala & Wardens), yet I've read several times that it's impossible to get Leliana as Divine unless you side with the mages.

 

Second question, if you don't recruit Viv, can she even become Divine? I'm not planning on recruiting her in this play through and I'm hoping that alone will mean she never sees the Sunburst throne. >.>

[CENIC]

Okay, I have two questions guys haha

Can I get Leliana as a hard Divine by ->

Conscripting Templars
Briala rules through Gaspard
Wardens redeemed
Leliana will be hardened
Cassandra will likely have bad approval and the Seekers will be disbanded.

I was able to get hardened Leliana in this scenario - though, I exiled the Wardens. Disbanding the Seekers seemed to be what gave Leliana the lead over Cassandra.
If you've been making choices in dialogue that support Leliana's opinions about mages and the Chantry, and support her in dialouge about the Divine and her war table mission, you should be fine.

[MostlyAutumn]

I've started digging through the game files to see how Divine selection works. It seems to be done via ActionLogicPrefabBlueprints in DA3/DesignContent/Plots/Finale/ almost exactly like the companion approval.

Some random examples for Cassandra:

• "Support Cassandra" operation = +10 "Divine approval" (for the lack of a better word).
• (Grey Wardens decision) "Get out of Orlais." ("You leave.") /* The Wardens are banished from Orlais. They do not help the Inquisition. */ = +5.
• (Grey Wardens decision) "Help the Inquisition." ("You stay and do whatever you can to help.") /*The Grey Wardens help the Inquisition. They may be vulnerable to corruption.*/ = -5.
• (Skyhold) "Forget the Chantry." ("I don't see why you think the Chantry is so worthy of reform.") = -5.

I'm writing a script to extract all these changes from conversations.

[CENIC]

I've started digging through the game files to see how Divine selection works. It seems to be done via ActionLogicPrefabBlueprints in DA3/DesignContent/Plots/Finale/ almost exactly like the companion approval.

Some random examples for Cassandra:

• "Support Cassandra" operation = +10 "Divine approval" (for the lack of a better word).
• (Grey Wardens decision) "Get out of Orlais." ("You leave.") /* The Wardens are banished from Orlais. They do not help the Inquisition. */ = +5.
• (Grey Wardens decision) "Help the Inquisition." ("You stay and do whatever you can to help.") /*The Grey Wardens help the Inquisition. They may be vulnerable to corruption.*/ = -5.
• (Skyhold) "Forget the Chantry." ("I don't see why you think the Chantry is so worthy of reform.") = -5.

I'm writing a script to extract all these changes from conversations.

This will help a lot. Thank you.

[Nastyushca]

I am at the point of the game prior to temple of Mythal. I am trying to prevent Cass from becoming the Divine (for the third time!).

 

In my first walk-through I was a female elf liberating mages and not really caring about opinions I expressed. I just wanted to be everyone's friend, so I guess I involuntarily supported Cass. Guess even told her she'd be great.

Second playthrough male mage inquisitor romancing Cass - trying to do my best to prevent her from becoming Divine without reading this forum - failed. Tried to reload and tell her I wouldn't lose her to Chantry with no change to the outcome.

 

Third playtrough - I didn't say blasphemy things about Chantry to Cass, however, told her there were different ways of supporting it, also told Dorian and Viv circles were great and that they should be reinstated. Oh, and the earliest safe I had available already had Templars alliance. I also forced the three-fold alliance in Wicked ball thing both times which according to this thread should throw support to Viv. In my second playthrough I revealed both Briala and Gaspard leaving Celene alone on the throne which is even stronger pro Viv choice if I am correct and still got Cass. Also steered away from being the Chosen One to stating I wasn't one and not doing any Andraste supporting things for awhile.

 

Now my question is about Val Royeaux rumors part which is very confusing. First I go there and mingle and hear stuff like: "oh, they consider Leliana for Divine - I am not sure if I should be thrilled or terrified - maybe both!" and "Viv is considered too! But she's a mage! That's not what I signed up for when I joined Chantry!" - so it seems like Viv does not have a chance at the point, right?

 

After this mingling I go on to complete Leliana's quest and she kills the nun (no surprise here, she was hardened). And a new round of Val Royeaux mingling brings me the awful: "Right hand will be the next Divine. She'll bring change and that's good!"

 

Any chance I can still change the tide and not get Cass as Divine? I have both Viv support operation as well as Leliana's question available (Leliana's hasn't appeared yet, but it's coming). I guess my best bet would be trying to swing it towards Viv, however, the rumors scare me - will I have to do yet another walkthrough? Grrr... 

 

 

[Azzanadra]

I'm surprised no one bothered digging the game files until now... how did you get to that file, anyways? I can't seem to find it in the DAI root folder or the Documents folder. 

[MostlyAutumn]

I'm surprised no one bothered digging the game files until now... how did you get to that file, anyways? I can't seem to find it in the DAI root folder or the Documents folder. 

You need to use DAI_Tools (Tools > EBX Explorer) – http://forum.bioware...9048-dai-tools/

[RedsManRick]

Q.Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

A. Hardened Leliana

Q. Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
A. Mages/Free

Q. When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
A. Mages Free/ Chantry Reformed

Q. Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
A. Op to support Vivienne available; did not do it.

Q. Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
A. Leliana.  Went neutral with Cassandra and Vivienne.

Q. Who did you side with on the civil war?
A. Briala

Q. Cassandra disband the seekers?
A. No, rebuilding

Q. Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
A. Killed at Chantry; don't recall at Haven (think I spared).

Q. Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
A. Told she was right.

[MostlyAutumn]

I have some very preliminary and incomplete data. Please take it with a grain of salt until more testing and verification is done.

EDIT: Up-to-date version here

1. Major choices
 
1.1. Mage-Templar war

• Mage alliance: Leliana +10, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10
• Mage conscription: Leliana -10, Cassandra +1, Vivienne +10
• Templar alliance: Leliana -1, Cassandra +10, Vivienne +5
• Disband Templars: Leliana +1, Cassandra +5, Vivienne -5

1.2. Orlesian civil war

• Gaspard and Briala: Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10
• Gaspard alone: Cassandra +10, Vivienne -1
• Some other combinations: Vivienne +1
• Leliana -1, Vivienne +5
• Cassandra +1, Vivienne -5

1.3. Grey Wardens

• "Help the Inquisition." ("You stay and do whatever you can to help.") /* The Grey Wardens help the Inquisition. They may be vulnerable to corruption. */ Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -1
• "Get out of Orlais." ("You leave.") /* The Wardens are banished from Orlais. They do not help the Inquisition. */ Leliana -5, Cassandra +5, Vivienne +1

2. Conversations
 
2.1. Cassandra

• "You'd make a good Divine./You'd be perfect." ("I think you'd make an excellent choice.") Cassandra +5
• "Forget the Chantry." ("I don't see why you think the Chantry is so worthy of reform.") Cassandra -5
• "Perhaps there's another way." ("There are other ways you can change things.") Cassandra -1
• "Maybe the Chantry should end." ("Perhaps the Chantry needs more than just change.") Leliana +1, Cassandra -1

2.2 Leliana

• "The Chantry preached hate." ("It was the Chantry that taught people hate and fear.") Leliana +1
• "Why does change matter?" ("I don't see why you'd bother.") Leliana +1
• "It's a noble goal." ("It is certainly something worth working for.") Leliana +1
• "I'd support you." ("I think you would make a good Divine.") /* Support Leliana as the new Divine. */ Leliana +1
• "The world needs that Chantry." ("The world could certainly use the force for good you describe.") Leliana +1

2.3. Vivienne

• "We need the Circle back." ("The Circle has to be restored if we want to keep the peace.") Vivienne +1
• "We need mages in the Chantry." ("Mages shouldn't be kept out of the Chantry. Who knows the dangers of magic better than a mage?") +5
• (Unknown) Vivienne +1
• (Unknown) Vivienne -1
• "You'd make a good Divine." ("Actually, I think you fit the criteria perfectly, Vivienne.") Vivienne +1
• "I agree." ("I think Cassandra would be best for the job.") Cassandra +1
• "What about Leliana?" ("Leliana might be a better choice than Cassandra, don't you think?") Leliana +1
• "I'll make sure they do." ("A few words to the right people, and we can ensure no one objects to you taking the Sunburst Throne.") Vivienne +5
• "Andraste and the Maker cast very large shadows." Vivienne +5

2.4. Josephine

• (Unknown) Leliana +1, Vivienne +1

2.5 Mother Giselle

• (Giselle's reply) "Harshly spoken, but difficult to deny." Leliana +1
• (Giselle's reply) "Indeed. The Maker made the elves, as He did all children of this world." Leliana +1

2.6. Dorian

• "I agree with you." ("I share your opinion, actually.") Leliana +1, Vivienne -1

2.7. Inquisitor speech

• "I'll do it because it's right." ("This isn't about a greater message. We have an enemy and we have to stand together.") Leliana +5
• "I will lead them to vengeance." ("Vengeance is what I want. For the lives taken, and the lies spoken.") Leliana +1, Vivienne -5
• "I'll be a servant of faith." ("I will restore what Corypheus could never destroy. I am but a servant of the Light.") Cassandra +5, Vivienne +1
• "A dwarf/elf/Qunari will stand for us all." Leliana +1, Cassandra -1, Vivienne -1
• "I fight for order, not faith." ("Our concern must be the order and safety of <i>this</i> world. Not the next.") Cassandra +1, Vivienne -1
• "I'll set an example as a mage." ("With fear running rampant, they need to see a mage standing for what is right.") Leliana +1, Vivienne +5
• "I'll do it for my own power." ("The Inquisition will be a force to rival any in Thedas. In my name.") Leliana -5, Cassandra -1

3. Support X war table operations

• Straightforward +10

Modifié par MostlyAutumn, 13 janvier 2015 - 11:26 .

[samb]

How do I choose between a hardened Leliana and unhardened from the Keep?  I would like to make her Divine but I just don't see that option in Keep and I don't want her romanced. 

[Gold Dragon]

How do I choose between a hardened Leliana and unhardened from the Keep?  I would like to make her Divine but I just don't see that option in Keep and I don't want her romanced. 

 

The keep won't actually do this.

 

But in-game (origins), tell her she's a good person.

 

In-game (inquisition) don't let her kill anyone.

[ShepardMyFriend]

Q.Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)

A. Cassandra

 

Q. Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

A. Mages/Free

 

Q. When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

A. Chantry reformed

 

Q. Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?

A. Supported Cassandra when first available. Had to do a few odd quests here and there before Leliana's operation showed up.

 

Q. Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

A. Supported Cassandra while disagreeing with Leliana's view.

 

Q. Who did you side with on the civil war?

A. Celene

 

Q. Cassandra disband the seekers?

A. No

 

Q. Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?

A. Killed both

 

Q. Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?

A. I don't recall this one.

 

I was pleasantly surprised I got Cassandra (I thought the Mage alliance would have killed it).

[FenrirBlackDragon]

Well, poo. It looks like based on the info here Vivienne is probably going to become Divine on my first run.  I was hoping I would get Leliana. But it seems like most of the decisions I've made favor Vivienne. Except having the grey wardens stay on as allies.