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Information on choosing new divine. [Spoilers] [Updated First Post 12/3/14]


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Who became your divine? (Softened/Hardened if applicable)
 
Leliana, hardened? "blood ran through the chantry" and all that...
 
Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
 
Mages, conscription
 
When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)
 
I think it was mostly "Chantry needs to step off." Freeedooom!
 
Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all?
 
Nope.
 
Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
 
Accidentally, I selected "Ill support you." with Leliana.  I was just trying to be nice,,, like, moral support.
 
Who did you side with on the civil war?
 
Celene.
 
Cassandra disband the seekers?
 
No.
  
Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?
 
Killed.  I told her not to but hell hath no fury?
 
Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong?
 
Duno.

 

Holy maker it is possible to get Leliana with Mages Conscripted!

 

Question: is the Mage Conscription/Divine Leliana side different in the dialogue than the Mage Allies/Divine Leliana Epilogue?



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Can someone with a save that has a seemingly wrong Divine download a new version of my script and tell me what you have in "Election state" and "X is Divine"?

I've also uploaded C# source here.


Here's some more data:

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It says Leliana should be Divine, but Cassandra will win unless I do her personal quest and tell her to disband the Seekers.

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Ok, since I am bored and have nothing better to do I decided to go through my (numerous) save files and check how the approval for Divine changed throughout the game. Big thanks to MostlyAutumn for his/her tool that helped me do this. Anyway here's everything that, AFAIK, impacts the decision of who becomes Divine:

 

TEMPLARS

 

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INQUISITOR SPEECH

 

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Vivienne "You hold the Divine to that?" special option when talking about Skyhold's decorations: Vivienne +5

 

HERE LIES THE ABYSS

 

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WICKED EYES, WICKED HEARTS

 

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CASSANDRA & GISELLE CUTSCENE

 

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CASSANDRA "Do you want to be Divine" DIALOGUE:

 

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VIVIENNE DIALOGUE ABOUT THE FUTURE DIVINE

 

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LELIANA DIALOGUE ABOUT BECOMING DIVINE

 

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I still need several things but I I'll do those tomorrow. For now I hope this helps some :)


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Here's some more data:

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It says Leliana should be Divine, but Cassandra will win unless I do her personal quest and tell her to disband the Seekers.


You mean Leliana will only become divine only if you finish Cassandra quest otherwise despite all higher point Cassandra still win?

Also from the looks of it, you didn't finish Leliana quest right?

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You mean Leliana will only become divine only if you finish Cassandra quest otherwise despite all higher point Cassandra still win?

Also from the looks of it, you didn't finish Leliana quest right?

Yes - in this save, Cassandra wins out (somehow) but I was able to get Leliana instead by completing Cassandra's personal quest and telling her to disband the Seekers.
I did complete Leliana's personal quest; I noticed that it didn't flag here or in the results for another endgame save where I had completed it.

#581
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Leliana always seems to have 20 points! :D

I know, right! :D And still can't find a way to use them, silly girl.

 

On the topic: I actually think we have similar situations here. I got Cassandra rebuild the Seekers in my game (or so I think I did by romance responces), and she won at the end despite having less (zero vs 20) points. And this strikes me as highly illogical: why, if she's already occupied with some important task (Seekers), she discards it and takes the other one (Divine), while being completely free, never bothers to do so?..

 

I did complete Leliana's personal quest; I noticed that it didn't flag here or in the results for another endgame save where I had completed it.

Same here, completed Leliana's quest, no flag.



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It says Leliana should be Divine, but Cassandra will win unless I do her personal quest and tell her to disband the Seekers.


Did you get "I have news from the sequester. I believe the Chantry intends to name me Divine very soon." line from Cassandra during the celebration? It's supposed to trigger only if you have "Cassanda is Divine" flag (to clarify: this is my flag name, they don't have names in the game files, unless you count ABA840B10DF92A449C65941CC65F010F as a name).

These three "X is Divine" flags appear once you get first Divine points, i.e. at the end of In Hushed Whispers / Champions of the Just, and are updated throughout the game. "Election state" seems to be always 0 before epilogue, and either 0 (Cassandra), 1 (Leliana), or 2 (Vivienne) after the epilogue.

I did complete Leliana's personal quest; I noticed that it didn't flag here or in the results for another endgame save where I had completed it.


This flag is responsible for triggering hardened/softened conversation lines at the celebration:
if E516F88206765C4CAD004B3358CD0139
    "To you, my friend. If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't be standing here."
    if 915CC2886A76FD4B92EF6518BA53010A
        "And I... would still be lost. You gave me back my hope and my faith. And for that, I thank you."
    else
        "And I... would still be shackled by the past. You've given me new resolve. And for that, I thank you."
else
    "To you, Inquisitor. For all you've done."
I thought it was about her personal quest but I guess I was wrong.

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Did you get "I have news from the sequester. I believe the Chantry intends to name me Divine very soon." line from Cassandra during the celebration? It's supposed to trigger only if you have "Cassanda is Divine" flag (to clarify: this is my flag name, they don't have names in the game files, unless you count ABA840B10DF92A449C65941CC65F010F as a name).

These three "X is Divine" flags appear once you get first Divine points, i.e. at the end of In Hushed Whispers / Champions of the Just, and are updated throughout the game. "Election state" seems to be always 0 before epilogue, and either 0 (Cassandra), 1 (Leliana), or 2 (Vivienne) after the epilogue.


This flag is responsible for triggering hardened/softened conversation lines at the celebration:

if E516F88206765C4CAD004B3358CD0139
    "To you, my friend. If it wasn't for you, we wouldn't be standing here."
    if 915CC2886A76FD4B92EF6518BA53010A
        "And I... would still be lost. You gave me back my hope and my faith. And for that, I thank you."
    else
        "And I... would still be shackled by the past. You've given me new resolve. And for that, I thank you."
else
    "To you, Inquisitor. For all you've done."
I thought it was about her personal quest but I guess I was wrong.
The save I used for this data is one that I have been using to farm for schematics and crafting materials before the final battle. I did complete the game earlier, and got the results I described.
I don't think I've done anything that would affect Divine candidacy since completing the game the first time, but I'll go ahead and run through to the epilogue to make sure.
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#584
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The save I used for this data is one that I have been using to farm for schematics and crafting materials before the final battle. I did complete the game earlier, and got the results I described.
I don't think I've done anything that would affect Divine candidacy since completing the game the first time, but I'll go ahead and run through to the epilogue to make sure.

Thanks! I'm interested in the plot data from a save during the celebration and whether you get the line "I have news from the sequester..."



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*sigh* Here are my final two cents of plot data.

I found the backup save done at the celebration, before speaking to everybody, Cassandra included.

 

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I still got Cassandra as the divine in the epilogue. And the dialogue line is right there, too. This is sad, because now I really want to check if her personal quest and her disbanding the Seekers has something to do with it, but I've done it long before the Wicked Hearts, so there's no point in searching save file, I think.


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OK, I went through Doom Upon All The World to check the Divine state...

The data did not lie! Leliana is, in fact, Divine.
As I mentioned earlier, the last time I completed the game on this character, Cassandra became Divine, but I was able to alter that by completing Cassandra's personal quest and telling her to disband the Seekers. I suppose something I did in the interim between last completing the game and completing it this time tilted things in Leliana's favor, as I still have not completed Cassandra's personal quest. The only thing I can think of is killing all of the rebel mage and templar groups for Cassandra - I encountered them while exploring.

Here is the data from the Milestone save at the beginning of the party (I think... it's difficult to tell which is which) EDIT: These Milestone saves are the ones made after the Epilogue is over.

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Also of note... all Leliana said to me was "To you, Inquisitor, for all you've done."
I'm going to run through DUatW my other endgame character and look for differences. On that character, Leliana was "softened" but I don't remember her saying either of the other lines.

EDIT: Here's the data for my human mage. It reads correctly that Cassandra became Divine.
Still only heard the "To you, Inquisitor" line from Leliana... I wonder what you have to do to trigger the other ones?

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#587
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Here's the data on my rogue (Viv was indeed my Divine):

 

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Here's some data from my human male warrior:
 

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As an aside, is anyone else having discrepancies between the connections/forces/secrets bit in the epilogue and what the count is based on the tool? Not only did I have the lowest number of perks for connections but apparently I had done significantly less war table missions for connections as well, and yet that's the epilogue slide I received. Though I also managed to have the Morrigan without Kieran slide (though he was the OGB and in-game) so my epilogue is clearly already bugged...

Thanks MostlyAutumn for creating this, by the way!


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All this time I thought there was a bug because I endorsed Vivienne, but a lot of my earlier actions actually aligned with a softened Leliana. Thank you for this post. 



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After more research, I can safely say that I have no idea how a candidate with less points could possible win unless it's a bug.

To summarize my current knowledge, the election is supposed to work like this:

Selecting certain conversation lines and completing "Support X" war table operations changes three integer plot flags via ActionLogicPrefabBlueprints "DA3/DesignContent/Plots/Finale/div_(cassandra/leliana/vivienne)_(dec/inc)_(low/med/high)".
  • A322094A805AC448BC2F497817FE0328 – Cassandra points
  • E79A75430E46204494B34F579E8103B9 – Leliana points
  • 515B3DF9D50CC846874A4F4E728C038B – Vivienne points
The steps (1, 5, 10) for the increases/decreases are defined in PlotConfigurationAsset "Systems/Plot/PlotConfiguration".

Changing integer flags also triggers update of three boolean plot flags:
  • ABA840B10DF92A449C65941CC65F010F – Cassandra is Divine
  • 6E7CA423653F5C4B8A803DF3E5AE01BC – Leliana is Divine
  • 7A689E68F6E34F4E9437948B00FF01C6 – Vivienne is Divine
This is done by LogicPrefabBlueprint "DA3/designcontent/Prefabs/Levels/CritPlots/Global/CritPath_PFB_Check_Divine". Pseudocode:
if Vivienne has more points than Cassandra
    if Vivienne has more points than Leliana
        if Vivienne has been recruited (DCF93259E385C94AB0E21B72C95F015C = true) and has not left (3B13814DBCA25942AC261DD4B27D0170 = false)
            Vivienne is Divine
        else if Leliana has more points than Cassandra
            Leliana is Divine
        else
            Cassandra is Divine
    else
        Leliana is Divine
else if Leliana has more points than Cassandra
    Leliana is Divine
else
    Cassandra is Divine
Note: setting one of the "X is Divine" flags also clears the other two, this part is omitted for brevity.

There is also C703CB7FBAEB254490F3FF55310D033C plot flag ("Election state") that is always 0 before the epilogue. It is set to 0/1/2 (Cassandra/Leliana/Vivienne) by ActionLogicPrefabBlueprint "DA3/designcontent/Plots/Global/ImportState/DAI/dai_fin_divine" based on the three boolean "X is Divine" flags.
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After more research, I can safely say that I have no idea how a candidate with less points could possible win unless it's a bug.

 

I thank you deeply for all you've done, that was a great hope and help. Seems that the time has come for me to visit the support section. Hope they'd clear things up or at least won't turn the request down.

 

And, uhm, I think Dorian approval meter is missing in your save viewer tool results. Haven't noticed it till today))


Modifié par G.Wheels, 17 janvier 2015 - 04:49 .


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I got Leliana as a new devine in my first play-through, Vivienne in my second and today I finished my third play-through and got Cassandra. To me Cassandra is by far the most satisfying devine, Vivienne was a total surprise and was also kind of... well mweh I guess.

I was positively surprised that Cassandra is not as.. well bigoted towards mages in the end of the game. Her caracter development was to be my far the most interesting.



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And, uhm, I think Dorian approval meter is missing in your save viewer tool results. Haven't noticed it till today))


Try this version: Download from Google Drive. You can delete the source if you don't need it.

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Try this version: Download from Google Drive. You can delete the source if you don't need it.

Worked like a charm, thanks.

And I finally found the two saves between which Leliana was switched to Cassandra in the plot flags section. I'm pretty sure that's when end of Wicked Eyes happened, with the first visit from the Chantry. I'll update this post when I will know for sure, just in case.

 

UPDATE.

So, I did my save-load runs, and that's what I've got:

- the save right before entering the Great Hall (Wicked Hearts ending) states that Leliana shall be the next Divine. Poins and flags are the following:

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- after that I put an end to the civil war with the three leaders working together, Florianne alive and awaiting judgement. The Chantry agent arrives, I tell her that my people should decide for themselves and go away. And then - poof! - magic happens, and Cassandra is marked as the Divine. Points and flags are:

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- I talk to Cassandra, and in both convos say the things she doesn't like: in dialogue after mother Giselle's visit I go with "Maybe the Chantry should end." ("Perhaps the Chantry needs more than just change."), and after that -  "Perhaps there's another way." ("There are other ways you can change things."). Poof! Magic happens again, Cassandra is Divine no more, points and flags are:

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- I reload to the 'before Giselle cutscene' point. Say to Cassandra mean things, like "Chantry needs to change" again, then stop and save and check the file again. No changes! (except for Cassandra being pissed off)

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- then I go with the "do you want to be Divine" convo again, again with the "other way" ("forget the Chantry" works too, I presume) and poof! Leliana becomes my Divine yet another time!

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So, to sum everything up: I do not know if this is a bug, or it was designed to be this way, but Cassandra is defaulted to be the Divine after Winter Palace in my game, and approval points do not matter. The only way to get her back (even if only temporarily?) is to say "forget the Chantry" or "there is another way" in the following "do you want to be Divine" dialogue.
Come to think, I might have missed it completely, playing the first time...


Modifié par G.Wheels, 17 janvier 2015 - 07:17 .

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I'm supporting Cass as divine and already did her war table mission, conscripted the mages, allied with wardens, and let Gaspard/Briala/Celene all live at the Winter Palace, and voiced support for Cass the whole way through so far. I drank from the well, if that matters, and chose positive responses to Cass's ideas for the Chantry. I voiced disapproval for Vivienne's ideas and opinions as well, but Leliana is asking me if I'd support her as divine or not and I'm not sure what to say. Part of me wants it as a back up plan so Vivienne doesn't become divine, but I really want Cass as divine. Should I discourage Leliana from becoming Divine?



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You mean Leliana will only become divine only if you finish Cassandra quest otherwise despite all higher point Cassandra still win?

Also from the looks of it, you didn't finish Leliana quest right?

I did not finish Cassie's quest, but Leliana became Divine in my first play though. I think I will go back before the final battle at some point, to complete all the side quests and then finish but as it stands now:

 

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I should note that something MAY, and I say "may" because im not sure. After Vivienne's last cutscene with duke bastien's family visiting skyhold, I went to Josey and asked her if ther was anything to report. she then answered that vivienne had invited the family bla bla bla and that "the timing was curious because the family is going to be instrumental in electing the new divine" after that I got Cassandra as Divine after I supported Leliana through out the game. I don't know if that had anything to do with it or not. I also forced a peace between celene, gaspard and briala, so i don't know if that had anything to do with cassandra being elected.



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As a mage, I got Cassandra as Divine.  Morrigan didn't have a kid.

 

When I played a rogue, I wanted Vivenne to be Divine and I also did something for her at the war table, but in the end, Lelianna was Dvine.   Morrigan had a kid in this one, but what I found strange too was during the end when she was narrating her part that she left skyhold, Keiren wasn't with her in the picture, and not sure why.   Did she leave him in Skyhold?!  



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So I'm assuming no one knows how to tell who will become divine for an Xbox One save because the tool here is for PC save games. 



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So I'm assuming no one knows how to tell who will become divine for an Xbox One save because the tool here is for PC save games. 

I think you could use the wiki page (http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election) to count your points manually and get the approximate results. No guarantees, but worth a try.