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[MaxQuartiroli]

Just a personal thought: I don't like to metagame  especially if I have to make decisions which are not consistent with my character's behaviours. Therefore in my "I'd like to have Leliana as a divine" playthrough where I vocally support her I know I am going to have either Vivienne or Cass, while in my previous one it was right the opposite.... I wanted Cassandra and I ended with Vivienne.

 

Therefore I really hope that in a future we'll be able to change the tile in the Keep in order to set the Divine which we feel more appropriate for our game.

[Esmerella]

Just a personal thought: I don't like to metagame  especially if I have to make decisions which are not consistent with my character's behaviours. Therefore in my "I'd like to have Leliana as a divine" playthrough where I vocally support her I know I am going to have either Vivienne or Cass, while in my previous one it was right the opposite.... I wanted Cassandra and I ended with Vivienne.

 

Therefore I really hope that in a future we'll be able to change the tile in the Keep in order to set the Divine which we feel more appropriate for our game.

Well I think they are still working on it but right now the choices for Cassandra and Vivienne are there but not Leliana it is hidden.

[Cha0sEff3ct]

The wiki gives a clear point system on how a Divine is chosen. Sorry if posted.

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

Support war table operation

Supported candidate earns +10 points


Major choices
In Hushed Whispers

 "You're our allies." ("We would be honored to have you fight as allies at the Inquisition's side.") – Offer the rebel mages a full alliance.

Leliana +10, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10

"You're our prisoners." ("You will surrender yourselves as prisoners and conscripts of the Inquisition.") – Conscript the rebel mages into the service of the Inquisition.

Leliana -10, Cassandra +1, Vivienne +10

Champions of the Just

"Rebuild as our partners." ("Your Order is a symbol that holds the people's respect. That cannot die today.") – Ask the templars to join you as free allies.

Leliana +1, Cassandra +10, Vivienne +5

"Then yield and serve us." ("There is no time. If the old Order is too broken to stand, then become knights under the Inquisition!") – Convince the templars to disband and become part of the Inquisition instead.

Leliana +1, Cassandra +5, Vivienne -5

Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

Celene dead:

Gaspard and Briala:

Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10

 

Gaspard alone:

Cassandra +10, Vivienne -1

Celene alive:

Public truce between all three:

Cassandra +1, Vivienne -5

 

Gaspard executed:

Vivienne +1
   

Gaspard spared:

Leliana +1, Vivienne +5

Here Lies the Abyss

"Help the Inquisition." ("You stay and do whatever you can to help.") – The Grey Wardens help the Inquisition. They may be vulnerable to corruption.

Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -1

 "Get out of Orlais." ("You leave.") – The Wardens are banished from Orlais. They do not help the Inquisition.

Leliana +5, Cassandra +5, Vivienne +1

Conversations
Inquisitor speech

"I'll do it because it's right." ("This isn't about a greater message. We have an enemy and we have to stand together.")

Leliana +5
   

"I will lead them to vengeance." ("Vengeance is what I want. For the lives taken, and the lies spoken.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne -5

"I'll be a servant of faith." ("I will restore what Corypheus could never destroy. I am but a servant of the Light.")

Cassandra +5, Vivienne +1

"A dwarf/elf/Qunari will stand for us all." ("The Inquisition is for all.")

Leliana +1, Cassandra -1, Vivienne -1

"I fight for order, not faith." ("Our concern must be the order and safety of this world. Not the next.")

Cassandra +1, Vivienne -1
   

"I'll set an example as a mage." ("With fear running rampant, they need to see a mage standing for what is right.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne +5
 

"I'll do it for my own power." ("The Inquisition will be a force to rival any in Thedas. In my name.")

Leliana +5, Cassandra -1


Cassandra
Cassandra and Giselle cutscene after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

"You'd be perfect." ("I think you'd make an excellent choice.")

Cassandra +5

"Maybe the Chantry should end." ("Perhaps the Chantry needs more than just change.")

Leliana +1, Cassandra -1

Do you want to be Divine?

"You'd make a good Divine." ("I think you'd make an excellent choice.")

Cassandra +5
   

"Forget the Chantry." ("I don't see why you think the Chantry is so worthy of reform.")

Cassandra -5
   

"Perhaps there's another way." ("There are other ways you can change things.")

Cassandra -1

Leliana
After Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

"The Chantry preached hate." ("It was the Chantry that taught people hate and fear.")

Leliana +1

After What Pride Had Wrought

"Why does change matter?" ("I don't see why you'd bother.")

Leliana +1
   

"It's a noble goal." ("It is certainly something worth working for.")

Leliana +1
   

"I'd support you." ("I think you would make a good Divine.") – Support Leliana as the new Divine.

Leliana +1
   

"The world needs that Chantry." ("The world could certainly use the force for good you describe.")

Leliana +1

Vivienne
Warm approval

"Andraste and the Maker cast very large shadows."

Vivienne +5

After In Hushed Whispers

"We need the Circle back." ("The Circle has to be restored if we want to keep the peace.")

Vivienne +1
   

"We need mages in the Chantry." ("Mages shouldn't be kept out of the Chantry. Who knows the dangers of magic better than a mage?")

Vivienne +5

Investigate

"So teach them not to fear." ("It will take time, but people can learn not to fear magic.")

Vivienne +1

"They deserve what happens." ("They destroy themselves then, and they deserve it.")

Vivienne -1

After Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

"You'd make a good Divine." ("Actually, I think you fit the criteria perfectly, Vivienne.")

Vivienne +1
   

"I agree." ("I think Cassandra would be best for the job.")

Cassandra +1
   

"What about Leliana?" ("Leliana might be a better choice than Cassandra, don't you think?")

Leliana +1
  

"I'll make sure they do." ("A few words to the right people, and we can ensure no one objects to you taking the Sunburst Throne.")

Vivienne +5


Josephine

(About grand clerics consolidating the Chantry's power instead of comforting the masses) "It's needed more than ever." ("The Chantry should be a place of hope, not another group scrambling for answers.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne +1


Mother Giselle

 "The Chantry did terribly." ("It would be difficult for us to do worse.")

Leliana +1

 "I hope so." ("The Temple of Mythal held knowledge safe for untold centuries. It would be tragic to lose it.")

Leliana +1


Dorian

(About the Chantry being a relic) "I agree with you." ("I share your opinion, actually.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne -1

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

The wiki gives a clear point system on how a Divine is chosen. Sorry if posted.

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

Support war table operation

Supported candidate earns +10 points

 

Yeah, I've seen that wiki, very accurate.

 

But.... I don't know how to get  'Support Leilana' war table operation, with Cassandra and Vivienne, 'Nobility Knowledge' Perk is required, but the same thing does not work for Leilana, you can support her in conversation after 'What Pride Had Wrought', but there is no actual War table operation, at least for me. Do you know something about that?

[Cha0sEff3ct]

Yeah, I've seen that wiki, very accurate.

 

But.... I don't know how to get  'Support Leilana' war table operation, with Cassandra and Vivienne, 'Nobility Knowledge' Perk is required, but the same thing does not work for Leilana, you can support her in conversation after 'What Pride Had Wrought', but there is no actual War table operation, at least for me. Do you know something about that?

Same here. I've been trying to get that to pop up too. I tried I only talking to Leliana without talking to Cassandra or Vivienne but nothing, in both my side with templar and side with mage saves.

[NaclynE]

Well honestly to me getting people divine after a few playthroughs seems easy to do. I just really didn't know at the time on how I made Vivianne divine on my very first playthrough but in retrospect I pretty much figured out that since I took her out so much, did all of her missions, did her WAR TABLE missions and even did her support her for divine missions and made Cassandra a seeker and Liliana stay a inquisitor member I picked Vivianne as my divine.

 

The wiki gives a clear point system on how a Divine is chosen. Sorry if posted.

 

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

Support war table operation

Supported candidate earns +10 points


Major choices
In Hushed Whispers

 "You're our allies." ("We would be honored to have you fight as allies at the Inquisition's side.") – Offer the rebel mages a full alliance.

Leliana +10, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10

"You're our prisoners." ("You will surrender yourselves as prisoners and conscripts of the Inquisition.") – Conscript the rebel mages into the service of the Inquisition.

Leliana -10, Cassandra +1, Vivienne +10

Champions of the Just

"Rebuild as our partners." ("Your Order is a symbol that holds the people's respect. That cannot die today.") – Ask the templars to join you as free allies.

Leliana +1, Cassandra +10, Vivienne +5

"Then yield and serve us." ("There is no time. If the old Order is too broken to stand, then become knights under the Inquisition!") – Convince the templars to disband and become part of the Inquisition instead.

Leliana +1, Cassandra +5, Vivienne -5

Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

Celene dead:

Gaspard and Briala:

Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10

 

Gaspard alone:

Cassandra +10, Vivienne -1

Celene alive:

Public truce between all three:

Cassandra +1, Vivienne -5

 

Gaspard executed:

Vivienne +1
   

Gaspard spared:

Leliana +1, Vivienne +5

Here Lies the Abyss

"Help the Inquisition." ("You stay and do whatever you can to help.") – The Grey Wardens help the Inquisition. They may be vulnerable to corruption.

Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -1

 "Get out of Orlais." ("You leave.") – The Wardens are banished from Orlais. They do not help the Inquisition.

Leliana +5, Cassandra +5, Vivienne +1

Conversations
Inquisitor speech

"I'll do it because it's right." ("This isn't about a greater message. We have an enemy and we have to stand together.")

Leliana +5
   

"I will lead them to vengeance." ("Vengeance is what I want. For the lives taken, and the lies spoken.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne -5

"I'll be a servant of faith." ("I will restore what Corypheus could never destroy. I am but a servant of the Light.")

Cassandra +5, Vivienne +1

"A dwarf/elf/Qunari will stand for us all." ("The Inquisition is for all.")

Leliana +1, Cassandra -1, Vivienne -1

"I fight for order, not faith." ("Our concern must be the order and safety of this world. Not the next.")

Cassandra +1, Vivienne -1
   

"I'll set an example as a mage." ("With fear running rampant, they need to see a mage standing for what is right.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne +5
 

"I'll do it for my own power." ("The Inquisition will be a force to rival any in Thedas. In my name.")

Leliana +5, Cassandra -1


Cassandra
Cassandra and Giselle cutscene after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

"You'd be perfect." ("I think you'd make an excellent choice.")

Cassandra +5

"Maybe the Chantry should end." ("Perhaps the Chantry needs more than just change.")

Leliana +1, Cassandra -1

Do you want to be Divine?

"You'd make a good Divine." ("I think you'd make an excellent choice.")

Cassandra +5
   

"Forget the Chantry." ("I don't see why you think the Chantry is so worthy of reform.")

Cassandra -5
   

"Perhaps there's another way." ("There are other ways you can change things.")

Cassandra -1

Leliana
After Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

"The Chantry preached hate." ("It was the Chantry that taught people hate and fear.")

Leliana +1

After What Pride Had Wrought

"Why does change matter?" ("I don't see why you'd bother.")

Leliana +1
   

"It's a noble goal." ("It is certainly something worth working for.")

Leliana +1
   

"I'd support you." ("I think you would make a good Divine.") – Support Leliana as the new Divine.

Leliana +1
   

"The world needs that Chantry." ("The world could certainly use the force for good you describe.")

Leliana +1

Vivienne
Warm approval

"Andraste and the Maker cast very large shadows."

Vivienne +5

After In Hushed Whispers

"We need the Circle back." ("The Circle has to be restored if we want to keep the peace.")

Vivienne +1
   

"We need mages in the Chantry." ("Mages shouldn't be kept out of the Chantry. Who knows the dangers of magic better than a mage?")

Vivienne +5

Investigate

"So teach them not to fear." ("It will take time, but people can learn not to fear magic.")

Vivienne +1

"They deserve what happens." ("They destroy themselves then, and they deserve it.")

Vivienne -1

After Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts

"You'd make a good Divine." ("Actually, I think you fit the criteria perfectly, Vivienne.")

Vivienne +1
   

"I agree." ("I think Cassandra would be best for the job.")

Cassandra +1
   

"What about Leliana?" ("Leliana might be a better choice than Cassandra, don't you think?")

Leliana +1
  

"I'll make sure they do." ("A few words to the right people, and we can ensure no one objects to you taking the Sunburst Throne.")

Vivienne +5


Josephine

(About grand clerics consolidating the Chantry's power instead of comforting the masses) "It's needed more than ever." ("The Chantry should be a place of hope, not another group scrambling for answers.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne +1


Mother Giselle

 "The Chantry did terribly." ("It would be difficult for us to do worse.")

Leliana +1

 "I hope so." ("The Temple of Mythal held knowledge safe for untold centuries. It would be tragic to lose it.")

Leliana +1


Dorian

(About the Chantry being a relic) "I agree with you." ("I share your opinion, actually.")

Leliana +1, Vivienne -1

 

I hate to say this but this sounds pretty accurate. It does seem like the choices you make and WAR TABLE missions you do do give you + 1 or - 1 to X woman running for divine.

 

Same here. I've been trying to get that to pop up too. I tried I only talking to Leliana without talking to Cassandra or Vivienne but nothing, in both my side with templar and side with mage saves.

 

Well to me it doesn't really seem all that hidden even though the whole "Killing the spy" thing way back in Haven does seem rather like a 'hidden factor' because it seems like if you have her kill that spy in Haven but spare the rival chantry sister this could get Liliana divine if you do the rest of the 'Liliana to be divine' missions. If you don't kill the spy back in Haven Liliana will kill the rival chantry sister regardless of your say so and she will stay a inquisitor member automatically.

 

If I remember right I think I remember talking to Liliana quite often and finished all of her dialog trees and always ask if she has anything to report. As i mentioned before I have killed the spy in haven and not spare the spy. I try to be supportive and tell her about her divine friends messages and how I believed in her as opposed to saying "it was her, she was a spirit". I do all of her WAR TABLE missions. in the rival chantry mission I let the rival chantry sister go and told her she did the right thing and tell her she has my support if she wants to be divine. I cannot remember the conversation specifically but I remember getting a message saying "vote for Liliana to be divine" or something operation is availible. I think there may be some other semi related WAR TABLE missions that need to be done too but I am honestly unsure. All I know for sure is that darn spy guy way back in Haven factoring in.

[jedidotflow]

Well to me it doesn't really seem all that hidden even though the whole "Killing the spy" thing way back in Haven does seem rather like a 'hidden factor' because it seems like if you have her kill that spy in Haven but spare the rival chantry sister this could get Liliana divine if you do the rest of the 'Liliana to be divine' missions. If you don't kill the spy back in Haven Liliana will kill the rival chantry sister regardless of your say so and she will stay a inquisitor member automatically.

 

If I remember right I think I remember talking to Liliana quite often and finished all of her dialog trees and always ask if she has anything to report. As i mentioned before I have killed the spy in haven and not spare the spy. I try to be supportive and tell her about her divine friends messages and how I believed in her as opposed to saying "it was her, she was a spirit". I do all of her WAR TABLE missions. in the rival chantry mission I let the rival chantry sister go and told her she did the right thing and tell her she has my support if she wants to be divine. I cannot remember the conversation specifically but I remember getting a message saying "vote for Liliana to be divine" or something operation is availible. I think there may be some other semi related WAR TABLE missions that need to be done too but I am honestly unsure. All I know for sure is that darn spy guy way back in Haven factoring in.

 

You have this wrong. Leliana will kill the sister regardless of what you say if you killed the spy in Haven. You need to spare the spy in order for Leliana to listen to you during her mission.

[Gervaise]

I'd just mention here that in all my six finished play throughs so far I have never been given the war table mission to vote for Leliana.   Yet I have managed to get Leliana as Divine on the two occasions that I wanted her.   This was an inspired Leliana (the idea of a steeled Leliana being Divine appalled me).   I made sure I spared the spy in Haven because I knew this made all the difference to how she turned out.  

 

First Divine Leliana was after allying with the mages, reconciling Celene and Briala, but banishing the Wardens.   The Inquisitor was an elf mage non believer, romanced Solas.

Second Divine Leliana was after conscripting the mages, having Gaspard the puppet of Briala, forgiving Wardens.   The Inquisitor was an elf mage believer, romanced Cassandra.  Generally a very merciful person; I don't recall executing anyone (although I did stand by and let Celene die)

 

First Divine Cassandra was after conscripting the Templars, having Gaspard as puppet of Briala, banishing Wardens.   Inquisitor was an elf hunter non believer, romanced  Dorian.   Leliana was steeled on this play through.   I voted for Cassandra.

I then took this same character through from just before Hushed  Whispers, so identical choices up to then, conscripted the mages but did practically everything else the same.   Forgot to vote for Cassandra and got Vivienne.    Went back, voted for Cassandra and got Cassandra.

 

I also got Cassandra as Divine after allying with the mages, getting all 3 to work together, banishing the wardens.   However, I did vote for her.

[badkenbad]

I think there are a lot of factors missing from the wiki list, if only because the pluses and minuses seem imbalanced. Also, because it would seem to be practically impossible to get Cassandra as Divine if you choose mages over templars, but that is exactly what happened to me on my first character. I also had three rulers in Orlais, which would seem to favor Vivienne, and I had the Wardens join the Inquisition, which is a negative for Cassandra.

 

According to those numbers, there's no way Cassandra should have been Divine in my game, but she was. So something is off.

[Forsythia77]

I think there are a lot of factors missing from the wiki list, if only because the pluses and minuses seem imbalanced. Also, because it would seem to be practically impossible to get Cassandra as Divine if you choose mages over templars, but that is exactly what happened to me on my first character. I also had three rulers in Orlais, which would seem to favor Vivienne, and I had the Wardens join the Inquisition, which is a negative for Cassandra.

 

According to those numbers, there's no way Cassandra should have been Divine in my game, but she was. So something is off.

 

I've only ever had Cass as Divine when I've gone with the mages.  The one time I went with the Templars I got Viv (I actually got Viv in three of my PTs) And this game I am in, I was free mages and it seems to be steering me toward Cass as Divine - her mission is on my war table.  I went with Gaspard, Briala and Celene co-ruling this time.  Haven't made up my mind on the Grey Wardens yet.  Not sure how my Quinquisitor Hannah will decide until I do it. I'm trying not to meta-game too much, but this is not my first rodeo.. Gets harder to not meta-game this many runs in.

[Athoraen]

Have just completed my second full playthrough, and both times have got the divine's I was rooting for, my choices were:

 

Playthrough One: 

 

Leliana elected divine (softened) 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition? Mages as allies

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed) Generally "Mages should be Free" though with Vivienne I did acknowledge the usefulness of the circle/perhaps it should be restored. Managed to maintain high approval with all companions by end of game . 

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all? No, although support Vivienne was an option. 

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them? Yes, told Leliana she'd make a good divine

 

Who did you side with on the civil war? Reunited Briala and Celine

 

Warden decision: Allowed Warden's to stay and join the inquisition. 

 

Cassandra disband the seekers? Yes, she stayed with inquisition 

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?  Spared both

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong? Told her she did the right thing

[Athoraen]

Playthrough Two

 

Vivienne elected Divine

 

ho did you side with mages/templars and under what condition? Conscripted mages.

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed) Pro chantry/circle. Said the circle needed to be restored and that Mages should be involved in the chantry. 

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? Did any come up at all? Yes, completed the support Vivienne mission

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them? Yes, told Vivienne she'd make a great divine.

 

Who did you side with on the civil war? Sided with Celene alone

 

Warden decision: Allowed Warden's to stay and join the inquisition. 

 

Cassandra disband the seekers? No, she plans to reform them 

 

Leliana Kill/Spared Traitor at Haven/Sister at Chantry?  Spared both

 

Leliana told she was right to keep her scouts safe, or that she was wrong? Told her she did the right thing

[Jedi Master of Orion]

You know I really think having War Table options for Vivienne and Cassandra but not Leliana gives them an unfair advantage.

[Boost32]

You know I really think having War Table options for Vivienne and Cassandra but not Leliana gives them an unfair advantage.

Leliana support is via dialogue.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Leliana support is via dialogue.

 

But according to the wiki, supporting her in dialogue gets her +1 point. Doing the War Table mission gets Vivienne or Cassandra +10 points.

[Boost32]

But according to the wiki, supporting her in dialogue gets her +1 point. Doing the War Table mission gets Vivienne or Cassandra +10 points.

She get +1 and the support, the support give her +10

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'd like that to be the case, but that's not what the chart seems to say. It only says that for the War Table missions. Do you know for a fact that's how it works?

[Boost32]

I'd like that to be the case, but that's not what the chart seems to say. It only says that for the War Table missions. Do you know for a fact that's how it works?

This dialogue appears with "Support Leliana as Divine" and you cant do any war table mission do support another candidate.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This dialogue appears with "Support Leliana as Divine" and you cant do any war table mission do support another candidate.

 

Yeah, but that might just still result in only a +1 bonus. Hence why I complained the others had an unfair advantage.

[Boost32]

Yeah, but that might just still result in only a +1 bonus. Hence why I complained the others had an unfair advantage.

If you want to know for sure you can test, use the Divine calculator before the conversation and after, you will see she received the 10 points.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

How do I do that?

[Boost32]

How do I do that?

You need to play on PC and download the calculator.
Open your save with the calculator and it will show the Divine's points for eachother candidate.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

OK. Is it supposed to take long to load? Because whenever I try to open a save game in the tool it just gets stuck on saying it is reading.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Yeah OK so I loaded the original version of the tool and it unfortunately appears that conversation does only give me +1. I only have two extra points after talking to Leliana. I'm also pretty sure that I can still do the War Table missions for the other two.

[Boost32]

Yeah OK so I loaded the original version of the tool and it unfortunately appears that conversation does only give me +1. I only have two extra points after talking to Leliana. I'm also pretty sure that I can still do the War Table missions for the other two.

Really? Always thought you couldn't do.
But hey, at least its balanced because Leliana can only lose points if she receive a -10, if she receive a -5 or -1 she gains points instead of losing them (according with the wiki).