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[Cobra's_back]

Here are some of the decisions i made and why i was so satisfied with my ending.

Also remember that I played as a mage(in all dragon ages)

 

Romanced Josephine

 

Cassandra became divine (With my full support)

 

Celene stayed in power

 

Templars disbanded, Wardens banished (After anders and this? just became unforgivable lol)

 

Morrigan drank from the well. (I did not like the idea of my inquisitor being a servant of ANOTHER god, wanted him free)

 

I made it clear i did not support leliana to her face (I personally liked the way Cassandra said she would do things. Mages governing themselves BUT being guided and templars guard the innocent not the mages, the mages being completely free as leliana says would just be catastophic in my opinion)

 

And on the war table i never did the "Support Vivienne" she was a very promising leader but her worst fear as stated in the fade was "irrelevance" which just leads me to believe she cares more about being relevant then what's going on in the world, second in a conversation with her she reveals she does not know what it was like to be mistreated in the circle because of her rank and who she was with (powerful man) which makes me believe she wont see the original problems with the circles that started the rebellion. Then again, i suppose i think shes still better then leliana and i play a mage everytime lol, hard to see that many corrupted mages and let them run free

 

Cassandra got most of the templars OFF the lyrium which was the cause of corruption among templars and cullen is now leading the templars which in my opinion solidified cassandra being a GREAT decision for devine.

 

Leliana would have been considered in dragon age origins IMO when she was innocent but now her ideas are just awful, and the idea of a great spymaster let alone assassin being "Most Holy" is just absurd lol

 

 

This. Cassandra is a much more stable leader than Leliana. Leliana is a bit crazy. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know if I'd called it balanced, precisely, but anyway.

 

So basically the conclusion I'm forced to arrive at here is that it's basically impossible to get the Mages Conscripted with Leliana as Divine unless you make Briala the true ruler of Orlais or blackmail all three of them.

[Gold Dragon]

Anyone have a working copy/know how to make it run of the reader from about 5 pages ago?  All I get just sit on reading.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Anyone have a working copy/know how to make it run of the reader from about 5 pages ago?  All I get just sit on reading.

 

I only got it work by downloading a copy of the earlier version of the program. 

[Gold Dragon]

I tried with the earliest version, as well.  still sitting, going on about 5 min now.  So which version?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I don't know then. It's supposed to work instantly I think.

[MaxQuartiroli]

So basically the conclusion I'm forced to arrive at here is that it's basically impossible to get the Mages Conscripted with Leliana as Divine unless you make Briala the true ruler of Orlais or blackmail all three of them.

 

Not only.. you must also be sure to choose every appropriate dialogue option... a couples of small mistakes in a dailogue and she is out.

You can make her divine after conscripting mages only if you follow a very strict way. Basically you have to metagame like hell. In my opinion if you want her to lead the chantry you must choose a playtrough were you didn't conscript mages (which is also metagaming tbh).

[Cobra's_back]

Cassandra is my divine

 

I disbanded the Templars

 

Saved Celene

 

Reunited Celene/Briala

 

Let Wardens stay

 

Told Cassandra she should reform the seekers. She was going to look into the right of tranquility. 

 

Told Cassandra she would be a great Divine. Cassandra reformed the Templars

 

Cullen's off drugs and the Templars who helped us stayed with the inquisition under Cullen. 

 

Did Cassandra's Divine war table mission.

 

Softened Leliana she didn't kill the Natalie.

[Dabrikishaw]

I finished my last playthrough with Cassandra as Divine, even though Leliana had way more points than her.

[Cobra's_back]

I finished my last playthrough with Cassandra as Divine, even though Leliana had way more points than her.

 

How do you know? What selections did you make?

[Dabrikishaw]

Ally with Mages

Gaspard rules alone

Ally with Wardens

 

Supported Leliana

[SgtSteel91]

Done with my play-through, got Inspired Leliana as Divine

• Didn't recruit Vivienne
• Allied with the Mages
• Allied with the Wardens
• Celene rules and reconciled with Briala
• Morrigan drank from the Well
• Told Cassandra to rebuild Seekers
• Inquisitor believes in the Maker but not being chosen
• Was critical of the Chantry
• Supported Leliana in conversation

[Cobra's_back]

Ally with Mages

Gaspard rules alone

Ally with Wardens

 

Supported Leliana

 

I found stuff on this link. http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

 

Gaspard rules alone is +10 for Cass

 

Celene dead:

 

Gaspard and Briala: Leliana +5, Cassandra -5, Vivienne -10

 

Leliana scores if you pick Elves.

 

Inquisitor speech : Because it is the right thing to do +5 Leliana

 

Maybe the Chantry should end +1 Leliana

 

Could be that the Gaspard thing tipped the scales or the inquisitor speech?

[Balek-Vriege]

I finished my last playthrough with Cassandra as Divine, even though Leliana had way more points than her.

 

I found out the problem.

I ran across this when I had a save game plot flag viewer open to see how many war table ops I had run with each advisor (to see if I needed to adjust to get Cullen out front).  Even though I had 19 points with Leliana, -10 with Cassandra and -7 with Vivienne, I saw that suddenly the Cassandra being Divine flag was set true.  In between war table save file checks, I finished up some Divine dialogues with Cassandra/Vivienne and ran the Support Cassandra mission thinking she could never win with 0 Divine points.  So I obviously thought the war table mission to support Cassandra overrode my Leliana is divine flag.  However, the plot flag for Cassandra is Divine in my Milestone pre-war table save was set true.

 

Then I loaded a save right after talking to Cassandra and Viv.  Still Cassandra set as true.

 

Went to one before speaking to Cassandra.  The plot flag was still Leliana is Divine.

 

After some testing, basically what happens is ANY Cassandra as divine supportive dialogue in the "Support Cassandra" conversation sets her flag to true.  So if you choose "I can help" noble knowledge  (Unlocking "Support Cassandra" war table mission) or "You would make a great Divine," that alone will set the Cassandra is divine flag as true.  I had to pick coy choices or choices that were cool to the idea of Cassandra being Divine like "Maybe there's other ways to serve," "Forget the Chantry" or "Is that what you want?"etc.  (off the top of my head).

 

I expect the same for Vivienne's dialogue.  Actually I think I tested out the "your right, Cassandra would be best for Divine" choice when talking to Vivienne and that also set the plot flag to true for Cassandra.  Never tested Viv support options to see if they override too.

 

Any voice of support for Cassandra, even unofficially and to her privately, somehow wins her the votes automatically to be Divine.

 

Whether this is a bug or intentional I'm not sure.

 

To be safe:  Never ever be supportive of Cassandra or Vivienne being Divine if you want Leliana.  Always take the neutral or negative choices to the idea(s) (or be supportive of Leliana instead) when speaking to Vivienne or Cassandra.  Even if it means a disapproval point or 5.

[Dabrikishaw]

I found out the problem.

I ran across this when I had a save game plot flag viewer open to see how many war table ops I had run with each advisor (to see if I needed to adjust to get Cullen out front).  Even though I had 19 points with Leliana, -10 with Cassandra and -7 with Vivienne, I saw that suddenly the Cassandra being Divine flag was set true.  In between war table save file checks, I finished up some Divine dialogues with Cassandra/Vivienne and ran the Support Cassandra mission thinking she could never win with 0 Divine points.  So I obviously thought the war table mission to support Cassandra overrode my Leliana is divine flag.  However, the plot flag for Cassandra is Divine in my Milestone pre-war table save was set true.

 

Then I loaded a save right after talking to Cassandra and Viv.  Still Cassandra set as true.

 

Went to one before speaking to Cassandra.  The plot flag was still Leliana is Divine.

 

After some testing, basically what happens is ANY Cassandra as divine supportive dialogue in the "Support Cassandra" conversation sets her flag to true.  So if you choose "I can help" noble knowledge  (Unlocking "Support Cassandra" war table mission) or "You would make a great Divine," that alone will set the Cassandra is divine flag as true.  I had to pick coy choices or choices that were cool to the idea of Cassandra being Divine like "Maybe there's other ways to serve," "Forget the Chantry" or "Is that what you want?"etc.  (off the top of my head).

 

I expect the same for Vivienne's dialogue.  Actually I think I tested out the "your right, Cassandra would be best for Divine" choice when talking to Vivienne and that also set the plot flag to true for Cassandra.  Never tested Viv support options to see if they override too.

 

Any voice of support for Cassandra, even unofficially and to her privately, somehow wins her the votes automatically to be Divine.

 

Whether this is a bug or intentional I'm not sure.

 

To be safe:  Never ever be supportive of Cassandra or Vivienne being Divine if you want Leliana.  Always take the neutral or negative choices to the idea(s) (or be supportive of Leliana instead) when speaking to Vivienne or Cassandra.  Even if it means a disapproval point or 5.

I was sure I picked neutral choices for Cassandra, but maybe I misclicked and supported her once somehow. Before that playthrough  manged to get Leliana as Divine everytime. Either way thanks for the info. 

[Cobra's_back]

"Notes

Players set on Leliana becoming their Divine should be aware of following:

 

The option to actually activate/trigger Leliana as a true candidate doesn't happen until after her personal quest is complete. Her personal quest actually can take place very late in the game compared to her rivals. Take care when talking with Cassandra or Vivienne as you can ruin Leliana's chance very early in the game. When talking with Vivienne or Cassandra be sure to not select an option that supports them as Divine, try to avoid it or even outright say that you don't support them.

There is no war table operation to support Leliana's candidacy, so leave the operations to support Vivienne or Cassandra open/uncompleted until the endgame.

Your choices with Leliana in her personal quest and throughout the game will change her demeanor in the ending credits. There is a "compassionate" ending and a "ruthless" version. Make your conversation choices carefully and save often."

 

 

Sounds like you should avoid talking to Viv or Cass if you want Leliana as Divine.

[zeypher]

where is the so called divine points calculator? anyone have a link

[Get Magna Carter]

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I expect the same for Vivienne's dialogue.  Actually I think I tested out the "your right, Cassandra would be best for Divine" choice when talking to Vivienne and that also set the plot flag to true for Cassandra.  Never tested Viv support options to see if they override too.

 

Any voice of support for Cassandra, even unofficially and to her privately, somehow wins her the votes automatically to be Divine.

 

Whether this is a bug or intentional I'm not sure.

 

To be safe:  Never ever be supportive of Cassandra or Vivienne being Divine if you want Leliana.  Always take the neutral or negative choices to the idea(s) (or be supportive of Leliana instead) when speaking to Vivienne or Cassandra.  Even if it means a disapproval point or 5.

I supported Cassandra when talking to Vivienne ... this unlocked the War Table option to support Vivienne (which I didn't use) and Leiliana ended up as Divine

[CosmicGnosis]

Well, I just got Cassandra as Divine, when I was hoping to get Leliana. The only significant differences from this playthrough compared to my first (I got Leliana in that one): I told Cassandra I would support her (did not complete operation), and I encouraged her to rebuild the Seekers of Truth. I romanced her in both playthroughs. 

 

Is there a save file viewer somewhere that would allow me to look at the points that each candidate currently has in my save?

[CosmicGnosis]

I guess there is no easy way to check those points? I'm very curious about them...

[CosmicGnosis]

Never mind, I found the save file editor in this very thread. Figures. 

 

So, there is a strange contradiction between the points and the outcome. This is my current save file:

 

Leliana: 20

Cassandra: 1

Vivienne: -2

 

However, Cassandra as Divine is set to True. Yeah, that makes absolutely no sense.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That sounds like a bug.

[axlorg89]

Leliana is my diving and I'm pretty satisfied. My second choice would be Cassandra though.

[sora5009]

so how do i make leliana divine i done multiply playthrough's and cassandra was also divine please help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

choices i made

1. Sided with templars

2.allied with wardens

3. 3 way truce at the winter place

4.i drank from the Well

5. Didn't tell Cassandra to disband the Seekers.

6. told leliana i'll support her.

 

WHERE DID I GO WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MaxQuartiroli]

Two of your main choices are totally in support of Cassandra

 

1. Sided with templars   -> Ally with mages

2.allied with wardens

3. 3 way truce at the winter place  -> Put Briala and Gaspard on the throne

4.i drank from the Well

5. Didn't tell Cassandra to disband the Seekers.

6. told leliana i'll support her.