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[Bio Addict]

I haven't finished my first play through yet but I find this topic interesting so I was wondering if anyone can tell me who they think I'm heading toward with regard to the new White Divine based on my choices so far:

 

Personal feelings on Chantry:  I can't remember all the specifics but I'm trying to roleplay a person who is pro-order rather than pro-faith and expressing agnosticism rather than outright atheism in dialogue.

 

Romance:  Cassandra

 

Mage Rebellion:  Sided with Templars in an alliance

 

Orlesian Civil War:  Forced the 3 to work together, Celene still rules

 

Wardens:  Exiled from southern Thedas

 

Any guesses as to which candidate I'm headed towards?

[Jaron Oberyn]

I haven't finished my first play through yet but I find this topic interesting so I was wondering if anyone can tell me who they think I'm heading toward with regard to the new White Divine based on my choices so far:

 

Personal feelings on Chantry:  I can't remember all the specifics but I'm trying to roleplay a person who is pro-order rather than pro-faith and expressing agnosticism rather than outright atheism in dialogue.

 

Romance:  Cassandra

 

Mage Rebellion:  Sided with Templars in an alliance

 

Orlesian Civil War:  Forced the 3 to work together, Celene still rules

 

Wardens:  Exiled from southern Thedas

 

Any guesses as to which candidate I'm headed towards?

 

Can't really determine without specific information on how your character views the chantry. That's one of the main factors, if not the main. 

[Shalryma]

I just finished a playthrough where I romanced Cass and Leliana became the Divine. Cass ends up staying with the inquisitor, as opposed to if she is elected which hints that the romance is ended.

 

You have to say/do some anti chantry things though, which means at the beginning her approval dips a little. Fortunately you have a quest that gives you "Greatly Approves" and "Approves" for each of the 5 people you kill. I ended up killing 3/5 before I could begin romancing her, 4/5 just to have a little safe room.

 

 

Here is a total of all my decisions:

 

Leliana Becomes Divine -

 

Free mages dialogue with Dorian, Vivienne, etc..

 

Freed mages at Redcliffe and made them my ally.

 

Did not let Leliana kill traitor at Haven.

 

Romancing Cassandra

 

Told Cassandra there are other ways to help chantry

 

Told Chantry representative I needed both Leliana and Cassandra (So far, do not see any operations at war table to support either candidate)

 

Sided with Celene at Winter Palace

 

Allowed Wardens to stay

 

Told Cassandra that what she wanted for the chantry was not what I wanted (I think this dialogue plays a key role as well.)

 

Told Cassandra that there were other ways to help the chantry. (Seems to result in her rebuilding the Seekers).

 

Also told Cassandra to refuse in romance dialogue if she was chosen. (Don't know how big a role this plays as I believe I did it in my first playthrough and she became Divine then).

 

Told Leliana not to kill the cleric in her personal quest. (I'm not so certain at this point that having her hardened or not impacts her candidacy, as much as it seems to impact the sort of Divine she is. In a youtube video with her as divine, she was ruthless and killed a lot of the sects that rose up against her. In mine, she was able to peacefully get them to come together.)

 

Supported Leliana for Divine through dialogue with her. (2nd playthrough that I didn't have an operation on the war table for any candidate)

 

Let Morrigan drink from well

 

 

It seems to me that the biggest factor in this is your dialogue throughout the game regarding your views on the chantry. The talks with Dorian, Vivienne around the beginning. Leliana somewhere around the middle, and Cassandra as well seem to have the most influence. Actions such as freeing/conscripting play a role as well, but I don't think as much as these. The game seems to have "choice" dialogue whenever the topic of the chantry comes up with these characters, which is how I think they determine the end outcome. Other decisions such as those listed above seem to help, but ultimately I think it goes to how your inquisitor views the chantry.

 

 

 

 

I had a non hardened Leliana become the divine, and it explicitly said she was peaceful in her approach to bring everyone together. If she is hardened, and becomes the divine it mentions that the chantrys halls are filled with blood or something to that effect.

 

I just finished a playthrough where I romanced Cass and Leliana became the Divine. Cass ends up staying with the inquisitor, as opposed to if she is elected which hints that the romance is ended.

 

You have to say/do some anti chantry things though, which means at the beginning her approval dips a little. Fortunately you have a quest that gives you "Greatly Approves" and "Approves" for each of the 5 people you kill. I ended up killing 3/5 before I could begin romancing her, 4/5 just to have a little safe room.

 

 

Here is a total of all my decisions:

 

Leliana Becomes Divine -

 

Free mages dialogue with Dorian, Vivienne, etc..

 

Freed mages at Redcliffe and made them my ally.

 

Did not let Leliana kill traitor at Haven.

 

Romancing Cassandra

 

Told Cassandra there are other ways to help chantry

 

Told Chantry representative I needed both Leliana and Cassandra (So far, do not see any operations at war table to support either candidate)

 

Sided with Celene at Winter Palace

 

Allowed Wardens to stay

 

Told Cassandra that what she wanted for the chantry was not what I wanted (I think this dialogue plays a key role as well.)

 

Told Cassandra that there were other ways to help the chantry. (Seems to result in her rebuilding the Seekers).

 

Also told Cassandra to refuse in romance dialogue if she was chosen. (Don't know how big a role this plays as I believe I did it in my first playthrough and she became Divine then).

 

Told Leliana not to kill the cleric in her personal quest. (I'm not so certain at this point that having her hardened or not impacts her candidacy, as much as it seems to impact the sort of Divine she is. In a youtube video with her as divine, she was ruthless and killed a lot of the sects that rose up against her. In mine, she was able to peacefully get them to come together.)

 

Supported Leliana for Divine through dialogue with her. (2nd playthrough that I didn't have an operation on the war table for any candidate)

 

Let Morrigan drink from well

 

 

It seems to me that the biggest factor in this is your dialogue throughout the game regarding your views on the chantry. The talks with Dorian, Vivienne around the beginning. Leliana somewhere around the middle, and Cassandra as well seem to have the most influence. Actions such as freeing/conscripting play a role as well, but I don't think as much as these. The game seems to have "choice" dialogue whenever the topic of the chantry comes up with these characters, which is how I think they determine the end outcome. Other decisions such as those listed above seem to help, but ultimately I think it goes to how your inquisitor views the chantry.

 

 

 

 

I had a non hardened Leliana become the divine, and it explicitly said she was peaceful in her approach to bring everyone together. If she is hardened, and becomes the divine it mentions that the chantrys halls are filled with blood or something to that effect.

You, my friend...You're my hero! 
Thank you so enourmously much for your help.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

so, what exactly do i have to do to make Vivienne the Divine? the way i see it she's expendable, Cass and Leliana are not

[Alanosborn1991]

Who do you guys think Anders would want to be divine? I'm kinda basing my canon around him and mages in general.

Leliana who wants freedom for everyone.

Or Vivienne who wants freedom through law.

[ChiPsiUp]

I'd like to know too. Having a mage as the Divine is in fact probably the best way to get people to be less prejudiced against mages. 

 

so, what exactly do i have to do to make Vivienne the Divine? the way i see it she's expendable, Cass and Leliana are not

[Jaron Oberyn]

so, what exactly do i have to do to make Vivienne the Divine? the way i see it she's expendable, Cass and Leliana are not

 

Basically express views on the chantry that agree with the status quo. So no reform, or rebuilding the chantry. Conscripting mages would be a + as well.

 

@Alanosborn1991 - Probably Leliana given she is for mage freedom and acceptance of all races in the chantry.

 

@Shalryma - Happy to help.

[RVallant]

Seems daft.

 

So what if you support every suggestion?

 

I've agreed with Cass' reforms of the order, I've agreed with Leliana's ideals and I've even suggested to Vivienne that mages should be a part of the chantry. If they have tied the choice of the divine through by your dialogues to certain members and critically to the mages/templar choice then it's daft. At least have a grand debate about it and allow us to lend our support in a blatant and more transparent way - I may have allied with the Templars for a reason that has nothing to do with my viewpoints on the chantry for example, I may be 'bouncing ideas' off Vivienne, certainly doesn't mean I iron-clad support that particular notion.

 

I don't know, like I said, seems like a massive oversight if that's the way it is.

[AceHalberd]

Who do you guys think Anders would want to be divine? I'm kinda basing my canon around him and mages in general.

Leliana who wants freedom for everyone.

Or Vivienne who wants freedom through law.

Elthena.

Nah, in all seriousness probably Leliana; Leliana wants to reform the Chantry into accepting all races properly, including male priests, and freeing the mages. She's the Equality Divine.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Basically express views on the chantry that agree with the status quo. So no reform, or rebuilding the chantry. Conscripting mages would be a + as well.

 

@Alanosborn1991 - Probably Leliana given she is for mage freedom and acceptance of all races in the chantry.

 

@Shalryma - Happy to help.

thanks, i really dont want to see a character i like elected to a position i hate so Vivienne gets to be the sacrificial lamb

[Wulfherth]

How is it determined if Leliana is Hardened or Unhardened?

[v1944]

Can anyone tell me which mission is it that you tell leliana to not kill the traitor spy? I've never come across it and in her personal quest 'left hand of the divine', no matter what I say she still kills Natalie. Am I missing something here?

[v1944]

How is it determined if Leliana is Hardened or Unhardened?

Previous posts seem to suggest it is determined by whether you tell Leliana to kill the traitor spy or not in haven, but I never came across that mission...

[GrinningRogue]

Leliana is Divine. I'm deleting my save

 

Is it possible to support the mages and still get Cassandra as Divine?

[Wuulfpack]

So, does anyone have a playthrough where Leliana became divine even with assisting the Templars?

I would like to know how big of a role the Mage/Templar Choice milestone plays in the divine selection.

 

I am starting to believe the Mage road assists Leliana while the Templar road lends itself more to Cassandra.

[Snook]

Just a thought: is it at all possible the more influence you have when you support your Divine candidate, the more likely they are to become Divine?

[azarhal]

So, does anyone have a playthrough where Leliana became divine even with assisting the Templars?

I would like to know how big of a role the Mage/Templar Choice milestone plays in the divine selection.

 

I am starting to believe the Mage road assists Leliana while the Templar road lends itself more to Cassandra.

 

I've seen many people who ended up with Divine Cass and took the mage in as allies. I get the impression that choice doesn't count for much.

[Wuulfpack]

I've seen many people who ended up with Divine Cass and took the mage in as allies. I get the impression that choice doesn't count for much.

Thank you for the information Azarhal, that is a breath of fresh air. However I surmise that the actual decisions for either path do play a decent role in the divine decision as each milestone dialoge for either mages or templar (I believe) have pro-status quo, reform or just completely removing and/or starting over; dialogue options. < That is, I am speaking about the final decisions for either path where the Inquisitor decides to conscript, ally or just plain out disband either party that inquisitor decided to assist.

[ImprobableCarny]

I allied with mages, supported Cass as Divine, and got Leliana. I didn't do any of Leliana's personal quests and my Inquisitor's view on the Chantry kind of flip-flopped depending on who he was talking to, so I really have no idea what happened to make Leliana the Divine. I'm not complaining though, I liked that ending, I'm just not sure what I did to get it.

 

e: also I kept Celene as Empress, had high approval from Cass, and didn't romance anyone.

[Knight of Dane]

Got Cassandra as divine.

 

Conscripted the mages

 

I responded that I beleived in the Elvhen Pantheon, later that I did not belelive at all.

 

Treated Nice I think? I don't remember being a duck to any chantry person.

 

I supported Cassandra

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them? - Yes

 

Who did you side with on the civil war? - Celine

 

Cassandra disband the seekers? - Don't remember, in the epilogue she didn't.

 

Cassandra romanced? Nope, Sera.

 

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine? Never encountered that.

 

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him? Don't remember, but she killed the chantry sister later in the game regardless. So I assume I hardened her.

[Wuulfpack]

Jaron Oberyn, so based on your experience. . .

 

would I be required to role-play as an Inquisitor who does not believe he is the Herald of Andraste, or can I role-play as someone who is a believer. It seems that I can go the neutral route according to ImprobableCarny. But he has allied with the mages. I feel if I role-play as a believer and choose to disband the Templars  (which is exactly what I did in my first character and got all evidence to Cass becoming the divine) that I would wound up in the exact same situation before as that is identical to what I did in the first place.

 

I have a feeling that the final decision in the Mage/Templar milestone actually does play a bigger role than we believe based off of what ImprobableCarny wrote. But again there are most likely a lot of factors as well so there are many variables to consider.

 

It also seems like Cassandra either disbanding or rebuilding the Seekers plays a big role as well.

 

Dear Andraste, I wish the DA:I Keep was enabled so we could theory-craft and I could plan out exactly the decisions that I want to do and make some compromise so Cass doesn't be divine.

[Red Moon]

Does anyone have any experience conscripting the Mages specifically while still maintaining Leliana as Divine?

[Knight of Dane]

Hey I'm popping in again, I don't have time right now but can someone just quickly quote me and tell me if people have gotten Leliana as divine while either siding with or conscripting the templars. I want to romance Cass on pt. 2 and not have her as divine.

[Alanosborn1991]

How are people getting Vivienne as divine? Not talking to either Leliana or Cass?

[littlebrightpanda]

Okay, first playthrough I got Leliana:

 

- freed mages

- expressed faith and the need to reform the chantry (more towards Cassandra, sometimes Vivienne)

- didn't let Leliana kill anyone (first mission in Heaven and also not during her personal quest)

- supported Celene, Gaspard was jailed, Briala helped

- Morrigan drank from the well

- Grey Wardens freed (but they died during a war table mission)

- romanced Blackwall

- had a few talks with Mother Giselle, where I expressed doubt of my faith and me being the Herald

 

Now in second playthrough:

 

- freed Templars

- sided with Viv's views most of the time (sometimes Cass)

- Leliana killed traitor (haven't gotten second quest yet)

- not done with Wicked Hearts-quest yet

- Morrigan will drink from the well (already decided that for her)

- Grey Wardens freed (again, died during mission, which I think is because they don't have a leader anymore, I chose Hawke in both playthroughs)

- romancing Cullen

- haven't really talked to Mother Giselle, but expressed believe in the Elven Pantheon more than anything else

 

I'll report back when I know my devine. I'm going to try and push for Vivienne.