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[Shalryma]

Basically express views on the chantry that agree with the status quo. So no reform, or rebuilding the chantry. Conscripting mages would be a + as well.

 

@Alanosborn1991 - Probably Leliana given she is for mage freedom and acceptance of all races in the chantry.

 

@Shalryma - Happy to help.

Also,do you maybe know when Cassandra's quest Unfinished Business so I could rise her approval? Is it possible it won't appear because her doesn't like me enough? Do I need to have high enough level of experience to get that quest?
I really don't remember when and how it happened in the first playthrough.

[Wuulfpack]

So, does anyone know with certainty that Leliana can still become the divine if you specifically choose to disband the Templars?

[AsheraII]

I'd suggest also keeping note of fortress upgrades. Infirmary or Training Grounds, for example..

[Jaron Oberyn]

Leliana is Divine. I'm deleting my save

 

Is it possible to support the mages and still get Cassandra as Divine?

Some people have reported being able to do so. Just express chantry reform views throughout the game when talking to companions/relevant npcs.

 

Just a thought: is it at all possible the more influence you have when you support your Divine candidate, the more likely they are to become Divine?

I'm not sure if thats the case. From what I've seen it seems based on how you're guiding your inquisitors view on the chantry. The 3 candidates all have specific approaches to how they want the chantry to be. This is most likely the reason why supporting a candidate will not guarantee their success if your actions have supported the reasoning of another.

 

I allied with mages, supported Cass as Divine, and got Leliana. I didn't do any of Leliana's personal quests and my Inquisitor's view on the Chantry kind of flip-flopped depending on who he was talking to, so I really have no idea what happened to make Leliana the Divine. I'm not complaining though, I liked that ending, I'm just not sure what I did to get it.

 

e: also I kept Celene as Empress, had high approval from Cass, and didn't romance anyone.

It would depend on your views of the chantry then, even if you flip flopped one of them was evidently more prominent.

 

Jaron Oberyn, so based on your experience. . .

 

would I be required to role-play as an Inquisitor who does not believe he is the Herald of Andraste, or can I role-play as someone who is a believer. It seems that I can go the neutral route according to ImprobableCarny. But he has allied with the mages. I feel if I role-play as a believer and choose to disband the Templars  (which is exactly what I did in my first character and got all evidence to Cass becoming the divine) that I would wound up in the exact same situation before as that is identical to what I did in the first place.

 

I have a feeling that the final decision in the Mage/Templar milestone actually does play a bigger role than we believe based off of what ImprobableCarny wrote. But again there are most likely a lot of factors as well so there are many variables to consider.

 

It also seems like Cassandra either disbanding or rebuilding the Seekers plays a big role as well.

 

Dear Andraste, I wish the DA:I Keep was enabled so we could theory-craft and I could plan out exactly the decisions that I want to do and make some compromise so Cass doesn't be divine.

I really couldn't tell you. In all of my playthroughs both the one in which Cass became Divine and Leliana I played someone who doesn't believe in the divine. I'm not certain if its your belief in the maker so much as it is your stance on the chantry. You can still believe/not believe and express how you think the chantry should operate. (the same, reform, rebuild).

 

I had 2 playthroughs with Cass not becoming the divine, one in which she disbands seekers, and one in which she didn't. In my playthrough it didn't have much bearing given I was setting things for Leliana. But if your playthroughs been setting things up for Cass, maybe telling her to reform the seekers might make it where she isn't a guarantee. But I doubt it to be honest. Worth investigating however.

 

Hey I'm popping in again, I don't have time right now but can someone just quickly quote me and tell me if people have gotten Leliana as divine while either siding with or conscripting the templars. I want to romance Cass on pt. 2 and not have her as divine.

I can't say exactly. But given my experience the ultimate choice seems to hinge heavily on what your inquisitors views of the chantry are. People have freed/allied mages and had Cassandra become the divine. I freed/allied with mages and had Leliana become the divine, as a result of my views on the chantry.

 

How are people getting Vivienne as divine? Not talking to either Leliana or Cass?

You don't have to avoid talking to them, you simply need to agree with her views on the chantry. Basically keep the chantry as is, keep the circles, etc.

[Jaron Oberyn]

So, does anyone know with certainty that Leliana can still become the divine if you specifically choose to disband the Templars?

 

I don't know if anyone has reported this or not. But as I've said before it seems to be based more on your chantry views than anything.

 

Also,do you maybe know when Cassandra's quest Unfinished Business so I could rise her approval? Is it possible it won't appear because her doesn't like me enough? Do I need to have high enough level of experience to get that quest?
I really don't remember when and how it happened in the first playthrough.

 

You get it once you reach Skyhold. I don't think its level bound, but I could be wrong. I got it on both playthroughs right after reaching skyhold.

[Wuulfpack]

Thank you yet again Jaron Oberyn for your valuable input!

 

Honestly, I will most likely just choose to free and ally with the mages along with being more nihilistic about religion and Andraste while also supporting rebuilding and keeping the status quo and from there Vivienne and Leliana can fight over it. 

 

It was just my stubbornness of trying to still choose to absorb the Templars into my ranks while making sure it won't in any way support Cass becoming Divine. I'll just play it safe and help the mages.

 

However, after doing research it seems the mage route is quite interesting. . .

 

So Jaron, in order to do that and expresss my character's agreement in the status quo and/or rebuilding I will just have to strike up conversations with Leliana and Vivienne about such subjects and agree with them before the Wicked Quest? 

[Jaron Oberyn]

There are dialogues with leliana, vivienne, Dorian, Cassandra, and a few others. Not all of them are cinematic dialogues too, most you get from the skyrim styles dialogue through investigate. They take place throughout the entire game, even after the orlesian quest. You won't know who the candidate is until after the game though. Just keep track of your choices in dialogue/decisions.

[Spectre4hire]

I finally just finished my playthrough. I was expecting Cassandra to be named the Divine, but to my relief and suprise, Vivienne got it. So I was pretty happy since Vivienne was who I wanted, but I had feared that it was going to be Cassandra from reading about other people's experiences since they had made some of the choices I made and had gotten Cassandra.

 

If you want I'd be happy to post my choices throughout the game in an effort to help figure out how the Divine is chosen.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I finally just finished my playthrough. I was expecting Cassandra to be named the Divine, but to my relief and suprise, Vivienne got it. So I was pretty happy since Vivienne was who I wanted, but I had feared that it was going to be Cassandra from reading about other people's experiences since they had made some of the choices I made and had gotten Cassandra.

 

If you want I'd be happy to post my choices throughout the game in an effort to help figure out how the Divine is chosen.

 

I think we may have a handle on it, but more information could never hurt. Especially more regarding templar choices as opposed to mages. Glad it turned out the way you wanted it. 

[Wuulfpack]

Spectre4hire, I would love to see the choices you made throughout the game.

 

Come on, bring them forth!

[Butters158]

Who became your divine?

 

-Leliana (said the Grand Cathedral ran with blood as well)

 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

-Allied with Mages

 

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

- Said the Chantry needed reforms, mages needed more freedom. When asked throughout the game, affirmed that I was Andrastian (Human Noble)

 

 

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)

 

-Said it was up to Leliana/Cassandra if they'd come or not

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate?

 

-No, I never saw any

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

-I told both Cassandra and Leliana they'd be good, picked Leliana when talking to Vivienne

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

-Celene kept her throne

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

-No

 

Cassandra romanced?

 

-Yes

 

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine?

 

-Don't remember this

 

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?

 

-Told her not to kill (but killed Marjolane in Origins)

[Spectre4hire]

Hey, as promised here are my choices. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions or if you need me to clarify something.

 

My game play:

 

Divine: Vivienne

 

Romanced Cassandra

 

Had Templars join the Inquisition as Allies

 

Did not have free mages dialogue with Dorian

 

Did talk to Vivienne about the Circle and her experiences.

 

Did both of Vivienne's companion quests.

 

I don't remember the traitor at Haven quest, but Lelianna did kill that Chantry sister during her mission to Valence.

 

Told Cassandra there were other ways to help the Chantry.

 

Told the Chantry represenative that I needed both Lelianna and Cassandra

 

Had the cut scene with Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra about becoming the next Divine.

 

Vivienne thought Cassandra would make a good choice as Divine. Until I mentioned to Vivienne that she would be the perfect choice. It didn't seem like Vivienne had even considered being the Divine until I made the suggestion.

 

Encouarged all three about becoming the next Divine.

 

However, I only got the operations at the war table for Vivienne and did it. I'm not sure if this helps or not, but when I did the operation, my Inquisition's influence was over 10.

 

Sided with Celene at the Winter's Palace and had Gaspard spared and exiled.

 

Allowed the Wardens to stay and fight for the Inquisition. Though apperently they all died during one of my war table operations. Whoops.

 

My Inquisitor firmly believed he was the Herald of Andraste. And he would say it at every oppurtunity, also would mention his belief in the Maker whenever he could.

 

In terms of the Chantry dialogue, my Inquisitor mostly stayed neutral or positive about them. He never dismissed or belittled them. He didn't want to recieve the wrath of Cassandra.

 

When Cassandra brought up the possibility of her being Divine in dialogue, my inquisitor replied as long as they stayed together.

 

Cassandra ended up rebuilding the Seekers.

 

Let Morrigan drink from the well.

 

Also when I was in Val Royeux, I heard gossip of Vivienne being strongly considered as the next Divine. Not sure if that's a hint or just a coincidence, but I thought it was worth noting.

[Snook]

Just finished the game, so I shall return with my report as I said.

 

Who became Divine? Cassandra (Just like I wanted.)

 

Allied with the mages. 

 

Responded to most conversations with a reformer outlook. Inquisitor believed the Chantry was a good organization at its heart, that was in dire need of reform.

 

Treated the Chantry ambassador with some respect, but said the decision was ultimately up to Cassandra or Leliana.

 

Supported Cassandra on the war table.

 

Supported Cassandra through dialogue, told Leliana she can't force change like she wants to.

 

Sided with Celene.

 

Cassandra vowed to reform the Seekers.

 

Cassandra wasn't romanced. Female Inquisitor.

 

Got the cutscene with Cassandra.

 

Stayed silent when Leliana was dealing with the traitor.

 

I think what you say, believe, and support has more effect than we think. I also had a lot of influence by the time I supported Cassandra, so that might have something to do with it. Might go back one day, do the exact same things, but just support Leliana instead for purely scientific purposes. Don't want her as Divine. 

[FiveThreeTen]

Woosh thanks for the feedback, I feared that "staying silent" in that convo would lock up the Cassandra option.

[Adanu]

Who became your divine? Leliana

 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free) Alliance with mages

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed) Consistantly told people the cantry had failed (because it did), and that it needed reform if it was to be effective again.

 

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.) Told her it's up to them to decide.

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate? No

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them? Leliana

 

Who did you side with on the civil war? I made Gaspard a puppet for Briala. Celenes power comes too much from appeasement to really give the empire a future I could agree with.

 

Cassandra disband the seekers? Probably. I told her to let it go.

 

Cassandra romanced? No

 

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine? None of the above

 

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him? I told her not to kill him, but rather use him as a resource. I spent the game treating my enemies as potential resources. Killing is a waste if they can be used.

[Kantr]

Is there a chance of war between mages if you have Vivienne as the next Divine?

[Wuulfpack]

Just a quick idealism question.

 

What do you guys think conscripting the mages most closely aligns with?

I believe it aligns mostly with Vivienne and her views however it does lend itself to Cassandra as well? 

 

I'd think that would also be something Leliana would most likely at least slightly disapprove with. . .

[Snook]

I'm starting too think we're getting much too hung up on the choices we make. None of mine were really geared towards Cassandra, and I still got her as Divine.

For science, I loaded a save and did the exact same thing except supported Leliana, and I got Leliana.

[LilyasAvalon]

Is Mother Giselle not an option, only Leliana and Cassandra? That's disappointing, I thought she'd make a good divine...

 

Wait a second, Vivenne can become divine?

 

that ******.

 

I KNEW SHE HAD AN AGENDA.

[Milan92]

I'm starting too think we're getting much too hung up on the choices we make. None of mine were really geared towards Cassandra, and I still got her as Divine.

For science, I loaded a save and did the exact same thing except supported Leliana, and I got Leliana.

 

I'm gonna laugh if thats really all it took. 

 

People have been breaking their heads over this for a while now.

 

I didn't even do the support mission for Vivienne, but told her that I would support her and she became divine. I was never specific with my dialogue choices. Just said what everyone wanted to hear.

[azarhal]

I'm gonna laugh if thats really all it took. 

 

People have been breaking their heads over this for a while now.

 

I didn't even do the support mission for Vivienne, but told her that I would support her and she became divine. I was never specific with my dialogue choices. Just said what everyone wanted to hear.

 

I've seen people claim that they supported X and Y ended up on the throne.

 

I might really be random...

[Knight of Dane]

I suppose we'll see, but we have yet to see anyone side with Templars and get Leliana. Which is what I'm attempting this pt.

[Milan92]

I've seen people claim that they supported X and Y ended up on the throne.

 

I might really be random...

 

It could be a bug as well for them.

 

It can't be coincidence that Vivienne just happend to become divine in my playthrough right after I supported her.

[BubbleDncr]

Leliana became my Divine, ans she was my last choice. I sort of made her insane, and I knew it. I really wanted Cassandra to be the Divine, but I don't know what I did that made it be Leliana. 

[Knight of Dane]

I'm starting too think we're getting much too hung up on the choices we make. None of mine were really geared towards Cassandra, and I still got her as Divine.

For science, I loaded a save and did the exact same thing except supported Leliana, and I got Leliana.

How high is your influence?