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[Knight of Dane]

I had 13 influence when I supported Cassandra who became divine.

[Snook]

How high is your influence?

By the time I was done the Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts quest and could support my candidate, it was around 12.

[Knight of Dane]

Hm, less than me but we both got the one we suppoted in all 3 cases. Maybe it has influence.

 

Anyone else?

[Wuulfpack]

Ya, I definitely am one of the persons cracking my head over this as I had to restart from a 50+ hour play through just because I was scared Cass would be divine.

 

Now, I'm just taking more safe steps and hopefully she won't end up as the divine, but so help me if she does. . . 

[Snook]

Hm, less than me but we both got the one we suppoted in all 3 cases. Maybe it has influence.
 
Anyone else?

I think if you have the achievement for having 10 influence you should be good, because judging by the achievement that's considered pretty influential.

Assuming this actually matters, of course.

[Knight of Dane]

Yeah, that was my thought too.

[Kantr]

I need to edit my Playthrough to have Vivienne as Divine and Gaspard dead.

[Jaron Oberyn]

It's not as simple as voicing support. I did that on my first playthrough for leliana and got cassandra. I don't think the mages/Templar or civil war choices factor so much as the chantry views does. It's also important to note that the war table operation states that doing it could backfire, as they don't necessarily like it when someone wants to pressure them into making a certain candidate divine.
When they out up dai for the keep or someone introduces a save editor we will be able to narrow down the variables.

[Wuulfpack]

Alright, so I've conscripted the mages (and rightfully so) and enlightened Vivienne to the notion that I would like to see mages in the chantry.

 

I'm going to try and setup Vivienne for divine as well supporting Leliana while remaining neutral/slightly against Cassandra's views for the chantry and her divine potential.

 

Hopefully, this'll work out. . .

[Bess830]

Who became your divine?

 

-Vivienne (I romanced Cass so I didn't want her and I made Leliana kinda insane lol)

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

 

-Templars, free

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

 

-Mostly that I believe the chantry still needs to exist but needs some changes / reforms. Also Cassandra thought I was a non believer.

 

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)

 

-I think I said I needed them for the inquisition or something?

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate?

 

-Yes, after supporting Vivienne with the crown icon dialogue, this mission unlocked.

 

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?

 

-Yes

 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

 

-The empress, let the guy and elf live

 

Cassandra disband the seekers?

 

-No, reformed

 

Cassandra romanced?

 

-Yes

 

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine?

 

-Yep, to Cassandra

 

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?

 

-Told her to kill him, but then in her second quest I told her not to kill the sister, but she did anyways

 

 

As slight off-topic, anyone here has insight into which decisions mostly affect Leliana's personality? I kinda disliked what I made her into in my first playthrough and would like to make her a little nicer in my second one

[UndeadElement]

mine's pretty strange 

 

• Cass becomes divine
• Cassandra Romanced
• I gave mages freedom
• saved celene and spared gaspard and briala
• morrigan drank from well
• told cassandra not to disband seekers 
• told leliana not to kill anyone
• wardens weren't disbanded
• told cass and leliana they'd both make great divines
• and my character said he believes he was chosen as herald etc.. dialogue most of the time

at the end i got cass as divine, i was pretty pissed because i romanced her and wanted her to stay with my inq

so i reloaded my last save before right before the final mission and actually did the support Vivienne operation onthe war table,

and strangely when i finished the game again leliana became divine which i was more happy with than vivienne.

 

but still strange so originally cass becomes divine so instead i reload and put in my support to make vivienne divine which results in leliana becoming divine, doesn't really make any sense but im really happy with it anyway

[Knight of Dane]

It's not as simple as voicing support. I did that on my first playthrough for leliana and got cassandra. I don't think the mages/Templar or civil war choices factor so much as the chantry views does. It's also important to note that the war table operation states that doing it could backfire, as they don't necessarily like it when someone wants to pressure them into making a certain candidate divine.
When they out up dai for the keep or someone introduces a save editor we will be able to narrow down the variables.

Yes, but doesn't that just mean it can backfire depending on the advisor you use?

 

How much influence did you have and what advisor did you use?

(I don't remember if you can pick between all advisors)

[Milan92]

This whole thing is one big mindf*ck

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

Wow-

So in playthroughs where leliana is the Devine her resume is crazy.

Not only does she rule the chantry but she goes on to be the boss of the third street saints and save the world from an alien overlord....

Having sex with a time frozen Jane Austen is probably another major accomplishment too.

[Knight of Dane]

So I just wanted to point out something; in my second playthrough I just allied the Templars. Afterwards I had a conversation with Vivienne, first I got to voice my opinion of the chantry but what seems even more curious is the choice after.

 

She asks you what you see in the future for mages and you have a specific dialogue choice to suggest mages should be allowed in the chantry which she greatly approves of and finds it a curious idea.

No idea if it's at all influencial in the choosing of the divine, but it stood out to me when I saw it.

[Wuulfpack]

Same here Knight of Dane. 

 

I encountered that dialogue not too long ago on my current play through, earlier today in fact. I'm assuming that saying there should be mages in the chantry is most likely the start point for having Vivienne as a possible divine choice as from looking at everyone's results - she seems to be the minority of possible divines.

 

Going for Vivienne for divine so hopefully this is a sign of things to come!

[Knight of Dane]

I wanted to go for Vivienne or Leliana because I'm romancing Cassandra, but since I had planned on siding with Templars as I did, I think I'm going to follow through on my Vivienne support.

[Wuulfpack]

Likewise! 

 

Except, since this is my technically second play through however it is my first to (eventual) completion. I restarted from my first character because I got all evidence that Cass was going to become divine with disbanding the templars and being pro-reform/agreeing with Cassandra while not agreeing with everyone else.

 

So this time, I've so far conscripted the mages and going to be supporting Vivienne and Leliana (status quo/rebuild) while being supportive as possible to Cass but drawing the line when the divine and chantry reform conversations come up.

 

Also, I'm riding a thin neutrality line for my belief in Andraste thus far and am planning to keep it neutral as I surmise we do not know how impactful that may be.

[Sternesy]

I thought your choices were irrelevant. Doesn't it simply go to whomever you support. Lelianna asks for your support and you can chose to give it or not and Cassandra's support is via a war room operation. I had already picked Lelianna before I knew Vivienne was a choice.

[Wuulfpack]

Sternesy, I believe it is from a multitude of variables that determines what happens. 

 

For instance, if you are completely neutral in your stance of the status and opinions of the chantry; then the main factors from there would be the milestone decisions where the outcomes represent either reform, rebuild or status quo and as well the support from the operations. Those two in that instance I believe would be the main factors.

 

However, if you've very strongly expressed your views then I believe the support from the operations will have a negligible effect, or at least the minimum. But then it is possible that influence determines how strong your support is and which adviser is supporting which candidate and so on and so forth.

 

So there are many things to consider. My best advice would be to treat this realistically and put into perspective that YOUR perspective isn't the only one and try to retain a worldy view.

 

FYI

Yes, I agree it would make it significantly less strainful if there was a concrete decision near the end where we decide who exactly will be divine. Obviously, decisions in the game would affect whether the candidate wants to rule and directly correlate to their effectiveness; but again it'd save me so much heartache if that was the case :/

[Jaron Oberyn]

So I just wanted to point out something; in my second playthrough I just allied the Templars. Afterwards I had a conversation with Vivienne, first I got to voice my opinion of the chantry but what seems even more curious is the choice after.

 

She asks you what you see in the future for mages and you have a specific dialogue choice to suggest mages should be allowed in the chantry which she greatly approves of and finds it a curious idea.

No idea if it's at all influencial in the choosing of the divine, but it stood out to me when I saw it.

 

This is one of the dialogues yes. As I mentioned in earlier posts, talking with Dorian, Vivienne, Cassandra, and Leliana among others gives you opportunities to express your views on the chantry. People who aren't consistent and want to tell their companions what they want to hear for approval will most likely have seemingly random outcomes (or whatever view you took the most during the game). If you're going for a specific divine, it's best to stay consistent when talking to characters about your chantry views. 

[Jaron Oberyn]

I thought your choices were irrelevant. Doesn't it simply go to whomever you support. Lelianna asks for your support and you can chose to give it or not and Cassandra's support is via a war room operation. I had already picked Lelianna before I knew Vivienne was a choice.

 

No. Support plays a little role, it's based off of choices throughout the game. (dialogue, actions).

[Ryzaki]

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
Templars, Conscripted

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Chantry reformed

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)
Told them no

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate?

I don't think so? Only one I saw was for Vivi and I didn't do it.

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
Yes. Cassandra. 

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Briala with Gaspard as a puppet

Cassandra disband the seekers?

Nope had her reform them.

 Cassandra romanced?

Nope. 

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine?
I didn't see this no.

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?
Pretty sure I decided to stay uninvolved.

[Wuulfpack]

Hey Jaron Oberyn! Since your here at the moment I need some affirmation!

 

The dialogue with Cass (closer to when Skyhold is in it's infancy compared to later) inside the keep at the table then next to the window where she expresses her ideals. Are those views actually chantry related or just worldly views? Because I feel strongly about agreeing with her but I don't want to put our romance in jeopardy if agreeing with that gives her a plus one on the divine candidates?

 

Thank you for the help!

[Jaron Oberyn]

Hey Jaron Oberyn! Since your here at the moment I need some affirmation!

 

The dialogue with Cass (closer to when Skyhold is in it's infancy compared to later) inside the keep at the table then next to the window where she expresses her ideals. Are those views actually chantry related or just worldly views? Because I feel strongly about agreeing with her but I don't want to put our romance in jeopardy if agreeing with that gives her a plus one on the divine candidates?

 

Thank you for the help!

 

If I recall correctly, its chantry. If it's the one where you have the option to say "I don't want the same things" then yeah.