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[Bio Addict]

Getting a specific Divine is the new getting everyone to survive the suicide mission.  It took a while before we figured out exactly how ME2's endgame worked, it'll probably take a while before we nail down the specifics of this one too.

[Hazegurl]

Vivenne became Divine

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
Mages, Conscripted

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Anti-Chantry and nonbeliever in the Maker.  I said the Chantry failed. I mentioned that things can't go back the way they were but also that mages couldn't roam free. So depending on who I was speaking to I would say things along those lines

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)
Told them no

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate?

Nope, it never unlocked even though I told Leliana I supported her.

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
Yes. Leliana

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Gaspard

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No, reform

 Cassandra romanced?

Nope. 

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine?
Yep, Cassandra

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?
Told her to kill the traitor

[Giantdeathrobot]

To my surprise, I got Vivienne as Divine, but I suppose it was relatively logical.

 

-PC is a mage, romancing Cassandra. I urged her to not become Deivine.

 

-I played an Andrastian PC who wished to see the Chantry reformed. I explicitely told Vivienne I favored a Chantry/Circle that would be more welcoming to Mages.

 

-Completed Leliana's personal quest, encouraged her to be ruthless, then later encouraged her to be divine when she seemed deadset about it. Encouraged her to kill the traitor beforehand.

 

-Told the Mother that both Cass and Leliana were vital to the Inquisition.

 

-Did not do any War Table operation.

 

-Sided with the Mages, conscripted them into the Inquisition.

 

-Sided with Celene, exiled Gaspard.

 

 

 

I understand why they wanted to not make this a clear cut choice -the Inquisitor can only be so influencial before it starts being silly- but it seems there are a bit too many variables. I wanted Leliana as Divine, and got the other ''extreme'', so to speak. Oh well, at least according to the epilogue Vivienne still promoted a more free Circle as well as Mages in the Chantry.

[InfinitePaths]

Leliana Divine

 

-Mages Alliance

 

-Inquisitor believes in Maker/Andraste

 

-Sided with Celene, Gaspard dead, Briala exiled

 

-Cassandra wasn't romanced

 

-Supported all of the candidates in dialouge

 

-Didn't choose any operation in war room regarding divine support

 

-Leliana didn't kill traitor at Haven

 

-Leliana didn't kill the chantry sister in Velonce

 

-Wardens weren't Exiled

 

EDIT:

 

I feel that Leliana NOT killing the chantry sister in Velonce has a HUGE affect on her becoming the Divine.It changes her...significantly.

[myahele]

Vivienne was made define. I don't mind since her POV I agreed with, but it did surprise me when I saw the epilogue. I thought it might've been Giselle. Never thought a mage could be devine.

[Storvacker]

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?

 

I don't think this is what hardens Leliana. In my first play through, I told her not to kill him, and then she still acted "hardened". I think it is a combination of the choices you make for her throughout the game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I don't think this is what hardens Leliana. In my first play through, I told her not to kill him, and then she still acted "hardened". I think it is a combination of the choices you make for her throughout the game.

 

If you tell her to kill the traitor in haven, she will then kill the woman in the chantry towards the end of the game. Upon doing so, she will become hardened and conclude that her being ruthless gets things done.

 

If you tell her not to kill the traitor in haven, you can successfully get her to spare the woman in the chantry mentioned above. Upon doing so, she realizes that she has been too ruthless and would have excused it when in reality she didn't have to. 

[Shadow Quickpaw]

Decisions thus far

 

1: Sided with Mages, full allies.

 

2: Saved Celene, Briala exiled, Gaspard executed (I'm going to be very careful on my completionist playthrough coming up, the first one is a quasi-test)

 

3: Polite to Chantry representative (I think, I can't quite remember).

 

4: Supported Leliana during conversation, ambivalent towards Cassandra (who is my romance).

 

5: Told Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers.

 

6: Mostly pro-mage-freedom/complete chantry overhaul.

 

I'll post the results once I'm back from Thanksgiving.

[robertthebard]

Leliana is Divine

Sided with mages, made them equals.

Told the Chantry no.

Didn't do the operations, since I don't think you can get them if you tell the Chantry no, at least, I didn't see them.

Celene lives.

Stopped her from killing traitor in Haven.

Wardens were not exiled.

Supported both in dialog.

Played Andrastian.

[Wuulfpack]

Wow, speaking of Vivienne as divine. . .

 

Now we have a lot more Vivienne as divine. Spectacular.

 

Also, totally agree with you Bio Addict. However the thought process to keep your squad alive in the suicide mission in ME2 was a lot more straight forward and made more sense if you just thought about. I was lucky and as I am a completionist had them all survived just because I did everything in the first playthrough.

 

This divine **** is a little bit more complicated, at least for right now. If it really IS just a case of the player voicing his/her opinion - then that be pretty straightforward as well.

 

Going to be interested in your result as well Shadow Quickpaw as I plan to be ambivalent with Cass's views as well.

[Jaron Oberyn]

On a playthrough now where I try to get Vivienne as the divine. I'll post my results when I'm done. 

[XCMichael]

Outcome: Cassandra is divine

 

>> Dalish mage female inquisitor

 

>> Allied with Templars

 

>> Told the chantry representative who came to Skyhold looking to take Leliana/Cassandra that they would have to decide themselves (was mostly cooperative)   

 

>> Allied with wardens

 

>> Saved Celene, and enforced a compromise between the 3 parties (by basically having dirt on all 3 of them lol)  

 

>> Supported Cassandra at the war table (connections/Josephine route if that helps)

 

>> Was supportive to both Cassandra and Leliana in becoming Divine

 

>> Reformed the Seekers but agreed with Cassandra that there needs to be reforms, i.e. no more secrecy

 

>> Generally agrees with Vivienne (and other dialogues choices) that the circle was necessary, but also that mages need more opportunities outside the circle, suggesting that mages should be allowed in the chantry

 

>> Let Morrigan drink from the well. 

 

>> Prevented Leliana from killing on every opportunity

 

>> War table missions that involved the Chantry was mostly done through connections with a couple of secrecy routes, and only one force route, but generally was placable towards the chantry.

[azarhal]

Hey Jaron Oberyn! Since your here at the moment I need some affirmation!

 

The dialogue with Cass (closer to when Skyhold is in it's infancy compared to later) inside the keep at the table then next to the window where she expresses her ideals. Are those views actually chantry related or just worldly views? Because I feel strongly about agreeing with her but I don't want to put our romance in jeopardy if agreeing with that gives her a plus one on the divine candidates?

 

Thank you for the help!

 

You don't lose approval for saying you don't want the same thing as her (I selected that choice). She says she didn't expect me to.

[InfinitePaths]

 

If you tell her not to kill the traitor in haven, you can successfully get her to spare the woman in the chantry mentioned above. Upon doing so, she realizes that she has been too ruthless and would have excused it when in reality she didn't have to. 

 

Yeah, and then she's actually happy, for once.She lets go of hate and embraces love.

 

This might have A LOT to do with becoming Divine.

[Vroumish]

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)
Mages, free.

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

Non believer, non fanatic on either side.

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)
Told her to ask them directly.

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
Yes. Cassandra and Vivienne. Tried to discourage Leliana after seeing her hardened side.

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Saved Celene while trying to make the tree of them work together.

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No, reform.

 Cassandra romanced?

No.

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine?
Cassandra.

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?
Don't remember but she was definitely hardened/crazy by the end

 

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate?
Supporting Cassandra -> Cassandra as divine

Supporting Vivenne or none -> Leliana as divine

[Jukaga]

I got Leliana as Divine,

 

PC: female mage, religious herald

Supported mages, allied

Supported Leliana for Divine

Empress Celene supported

Morrigan Drank from the well

Saved what was left of the wardens

Romanced Josephine

Chantry reformist

Seekers reformed

[Nayt Navare]

This is so frustrating. The guide is absolutely no help, and with the way I am, if my romanced Cass leaves without a damn thing I can do about it, I will be more disappointed than with the original ME3 ending.... ugh.

Two questions; Can anyone give me an idea of the feeling of Viv as Divine? I mean, does it seem good, even of it is just a reversion back to the former balance? Also, anyone have any good suggestions to get her the position? I am trying to dissuade Cass and Leliana as I blatantly want them availabe for Inquiz and Warden romances.

[Andraste Take the Wheel]

This is going to seriously suck on my second PT, where my Warden romances Leliana and my Inquisitor Cass.

Vivienne, where you at.

[Pajuschka]

1) Leliana became Divine

2) sided with mages, freed them

3) pro-chantry, pro-circle (but talking about making Chantry and Circles better)

4) did the operation to support Cassandra

5) support Cassandra through dialogue, told Leliana I don't think she is good choice, told Vivienne I think Cassandra should be Divine

6) sided with Celene and saved her, exiled Gaspard

7) told Cassandra to make Seekers better

8) Cassandra was not a romance

9) I think I didn't have this cutscene or I told it's up to them, I'm not sure right now

10) told Leliana to not kill the traitor

[MENZAKUU]

Just finished, and I'm not happy about Vivi becoming Divine, especially with that post-game reading. You know she's doing a bang-up job when there are open revolts are dissidents are cut down. I'll throw my lot in, in hopes of learning how to get a decent Divine in my second playthrough.

 

1. Vivienne

2. Mages conscripted

3. I was a terrible person who answered whatever way would net me approval

4. Told her to leave, chose neither
5. I'm not sure which would qualify for that, but I did do all the companion quests and war board assets

6. I gave my support to Leliana, and didn't talk about it with the other two
7. Saved Celene, threw Gaspard and Briana under the bus

8. Told Cass to reform the Seekers

9. Did not romance Cass

10. I can't recall Giselle approaching any of them, so not sure

11. I chose the non-commital answer, and Leliana slit the spy's throat anyways

[Wuulfpack]

SE JN list out your current milestone decisions, and how you've expressed your character's position on the chantry and to which companions.

 

Honestly I believe there is a point beyond repair where there is very little one can do to change it as I feel a lot of the important dialogue happen early-mid game + companion personal quests. Plus the milestone decisions that represent reform,rebuild or status quo may play a part. But the factor to where one can influence enough to change the likelyhood at any time (War room operations) completely depends on where and how far you stand on neutrality, reform, rebuild or status quo.

 

Also, Vivienne's intentions regarding the chantry are basically freedom within laws (societal equality while placing necessary restrictions and safety nets) as if she becomes divine (a mage as divine in the chantry) I think it is a more subtle approach to mage equality and her views are to return the circles but obviously as better then they were before as safe havens and centers of opportunity for mages. Mainly, expressing an acceptance in those ideals early on through mid open her her up for a potential divine candidate I think. Such as the dialogue in haven where the player can express their want for mages in the chantry; to which she responds "a interesting proposition". I think that is a key point.

 

Again this is all speculation and only theory.

 

Refer to Jaron Oberyn for more help as he is much more versed in this than I am.

 

and has actually completed the game thus far . . .

[MyreMylar]

Yeah, and then she's actually happy, for once.She lets go of hate and embraces love.

 

This might have A LOT to do with becoming Divine.

 

It must be more than just sparing/killing the traitor. I told her to spare the traitor back in Haven and she still went evil and refused to save the chantry sister on my orders. Probably a bunch of small dialogue choices adding up of which the traitor thing is just one, perhaps romancing her in Origins makes a difference too?

 

When I tried to make her spare the chantry sister she spouted a couple of reasons why not at me specifically referencing something I apparently said once I think. Sadly it looks like once she flips to the dark side you can't pull her back, as once I noticed her evil monologuing I was trying to pull her back from the edge for the rest of the game - but to no avail.

[Draco856]

To soften Leliana you have to:

 

Tell her NOT to kill the traitor in Haven

Support her decision to pull back her agents during the attack on Haven

Then tell her not to kill Natalie

[D3STROFTW]

OMG!... Vivienne became the divine i did not want that!