719 réponses à ce sujet

[Jaron Oberyn]

I know that If I say "the chantry has failed" it leads to a "greatly disapprove" and several other options seem to cause lesser disapproval. I already got the romance scene unlocked, but I don't want to accidentally break them up. Maybe, I'll just bite the bullet and make up for the disapproval afterwards.

 

There won't be any breakups, In order to prevent Cassandra from being divine you will have to say/do some things she disapproves of. It doesn't mean you can't romance her, I was able to successfully romance her while preventing her from becoming divine and reforming the seekers. 

 

Jaron Oberyn thanks for the response. 

 

I shall try "It is for them to decide", you can go ahead and try "I need them" or "No".

 

Alright, thanks. 

 

Wait, so Cass leaves to reform the Seekers? That's fine so long as my Inquiz can tag along...

Here is where I am at;

Cass romanced; I have supported her views, and given lip service to the maker, told her to reform the Seekers, I have the convo where I can tell her to leave the Chantry primed at my save.

Saved the templars, allied with them.

Can (likely) support Viv for Divine, as not sure if that procks up UNLESS I am uber mean to Cass about becoming Divine (will test being nice but urging Cass to stay, and seeing if I can still bring the convo up for Viv after, not sure of the two are related). I can confirm that, in the least, able to Op Table mission support Viv.

Softened Leliana, told her to leave the Chantry and concentrate on herself. Aka, and the Warden.

Been friendly with most, on friendship with Solas, Sera, Cass, Varric, Dorian and Cole. Took a heroic tone, support chantry and possible religious views.

United the three in orlais, they work together willingly, but can redo and blackmail.

 

She stays with the inquisition for a bit, but ends up leaving if she is encouraged to reform them yes. The inquisitor according to the epilogue stays with the inquisition. 

[ewauksonian]

Has anyone tested this?  When some people ally with the mages/disband the templars, your choices seem to limit to Leliana/Casandra. On the other hand when others conscript with the mages/ally with the templars, your choices seem limit to Cassandra/Vivienne. 

Can anyone confirm this?

[Jaron Oberyn]

Has anyone tested this?  When some people ally with the mages/disband the templars, your choices seem to limit to Leliana/Casandra. On the other hand when others conscript with the mages/ally with the templars, your choices seem limit to Cassandra/Vivienne. 

Can anyone confirm this?

 

I've done both, conscripted and allied with mages and neither put Vivienne. I would imagine conscription would be in Vivs favor though, given her stance on mages. 

[ewauksonian]

I've done both, conscripted and allied with mages and neither put Vivienne. I would imagine conscription would be in Vivs favor though, given her stance on mages. 

The thing is, I haven't yet seen any endings from other people where mages were free AND Vivienne was Divine. I'd imagine Vivienne's reaction would be rather brutal and swift (if there is such an ending).

[Nadijeh]

I'm so confused right now, my only two options are Cassandra and Vivienne on the war table right now, I could have sworn I had Leliana's option on there at one point too but now I can't find it.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

okay, guess ill have to ask again

 

is it possible to make Vivienne divine without conscripting the mages and what exactly do i have to do?

 

also how do i prevent Cassandra or Leliana from becoming divine?

[ewauksonian]

okay, guess ill have to ask again

 

is it possible to make Vivienne divine without conscripting the mages and what exactly do i have to do?

 

also how do i prevent Cassandra or Leliana from becoming divine?

For Vivienne to be Divine, I suspect (but have yet to confirm) you have to either conscript the mages OR ally with the Templars. Remember, Vivienne LIKES Templars and thinks mages NEED to be controlled. But this is based on conjecture and not anything I have tried. I also suspect this is the route to prevent Leliana from being in the running. But like I said, this is only conjecture.

[GT409]

I just finished the game as an Elven Mage - here's my results:

 

Leliana (Unhardened) is Divine

 

Mages/Templars:

Alliance with the Mages

 

Dialogue on the Chantry and the Inquisitor's Faith:

Said the Chantry needs to change. I always said that I worship the Creators, but was not rude to any Chantry representatives.

 

Chantry Ambassador:

Said that the Inquisition needs Leliana and Cassandra

 

War Table candidate support:

Never appeared

 

Dialogue support of candidate:

Supported Leliana in dialogue with Vivienne and Leliana. Told Cassandra there are other ways to help then being Divine

 

Mother Giselle cutscene:

Never appeared

 

Orlesian Civil War:

Briala rules Orlais through Gaspard

 

Grey Wardens:

Not exiled from Orlais

 

Seekers of Truth:

In the dialogue after Cassandra's companion quest, I left their fate for her to decide - During the post battle celebration, Cassandra said she would rebuild and reform them.

 

Well of Sorrows:

Morrigan drank from the Well

 

Romance option:

Solas

 

Hardened or Unhardened Leliana:

Unhardened - told her to spare the traitor, said that pulling her agents back during the battle of Haven was right, and spared the Chantry sister.

 

Influence level when supporting a candidate:

16 (I did every side quest)

[aimlessgun]

Alright, I need to figure out if there's any way I can prevent Viv from being Divine without redoing large amounts of my playthrough, but its sadly looking like that may be impossible. 

 

 

 

Alliance with Templars

 

Told Chantry reps I needed both Cass and Lel

 

Celene and Briala rule

 

Initially noncommittal with Cass about being divine, tried to romance Cass and my femquisitor was shot down After that fully supported Cass as divine in any dialogue when it came up. 

 

Told Viv Cass should be divine. 

 

Told Lel that she shouldn't be divine. Lel hardened (I think). 

 

Viv war table operation available, did not do it. 

 

Grey wardens not exiles, Morrigan drinks from well, doubt those matter. 

 

 

Now, its ok if I don't get my way if it makes sense...but Viv becoming Divine against my wishes makes absolutely no sense at all.  It simply would not happen without the Inquisitor's active support...and the post-game narration even had the gall to say that Viv only surivived the turmoil through my support! Support I never gave when I was actually controlling my character!

 

I'm very annoyed by this but I guess I'll just be able to manually change it in the Keep if there is a DA4 to import to?

[unclee]

Alright, I need to figure out if there's any way I can prevent Viv from being Divine without redoing large amounts of my playthrough, but its sadly looking like that may be impossible. 
 
 
 
Alliance with Templars
 
Told Chantry reps I needed both Cass and Lel
 
Celene and Briala rule
 
Initially noncommittal with Cass about being divine, tried to romance Cass and my femquisitor was shot down After that fully supported Cass as divine in any dialogue when it came up. 
 
Told Viv Cass should be divine. 
 
Told Lel that she shouldn't be divine. Lel hardened (I think). 
 
Viv war table operation available, did not do it. 
 
Grey wardens not exiles, Morrigan drinks from well, doubt those matter. 
 
 
Now, its ok if I don't get my way if it makes sense...but Viv becoming Divine against my wishes makes absolutely no sense at all.  It simply would not happen without the Inquisitor's active support...and the post-game narration even had the gall to say that Viv only surivived the turmoil through my support! Support I never gave when I was actually controlling my character!
 
I'm very annoyed by this but I guess I'll just be able to manually change it in the Keep if there is a DA4 to import to?

My play through is very similar. I'm assuming we'll use the Keep for even imports into DA:I DLC, so I'm not too concerned. I'll just change it in the Keep.

[Primula Nightfall]

Leliana became Divine.

 

Mages given freedom.

 

Mages need to be free.

 

I stalled the Chantry emissary, saying "don't have time now".

 

I did not do any War Table operations.

 

I did not talk with Cassandra or Leliana about this matter.

 

Sided with Celene, tried to make Briala friendly with the queen.

Told Cassandra that it was her choice whether to disband the Seekers or not.

 

The Inquisitor drank from the well.

 

Cassandra was not romanced.

 

Told Leliana to kill the traitor.

[ShibuyaInu]

I'm a little confused. Personally, I really wanted Cassandra to be Divine. She was the perfect balance between being too free and too strict. However, I got Vivienne? I keep reading how to NOT make Cassandra Divine, but how DO you make her Divine?

So far, some of my major choices were:

- Sided with mages, put them to work for the Inquisition (not freed)

- Sided with Celene, Gaspard is dead

- Completed all of Cassandra's targets

- Had mixed thoughts about her being divine, but generally being supportive if she wanted to?

- Supported Cassandra at the War Table

- Completed Vivienne's Personal Quest

- Kinda agreed with most of her views only to be on Viviene's good side (not sure if this is what messed it up)

- Did not harden Leliana

- Also didn't support Leliana when she claimed to be a candidate for the Divine 

 

 

What changes do I have to make, and how early do I have to make it?

[unclee]

I'm a little confused. Personally, I really wanted Cassandra to be Divine. She was the perfect balance between being too free and too strict. However, I got Vivienne? I keep reading how to NOT make Cassandra Divine, but how DO you make her Divine?

So far, some of my major choices were:

- Sided with mages, put them to work for the Inquisition (not freed)

- Sided with Celene, Gaspard is dead

- Completed all of Cassandra's targets

- Had mixed thoughts about her being divine, but generally being supportive if she wanted to?

- Supported Cassandra at the War Table

- Completed Vivienne's Personal Quest

- Kinda agreed with most of her views only to be on Viviene's good side (not sure if this is what messed it up)

- Did not harden Leliana

- Also didn't support Leliana when she claimed to be a candidate for the Divine 

 

 

What changes do I have to make, and how early do I have to make it?

 

Hmm, now I'm starting to wonder if choosing NOT to support either Leliana or Cassandra (but also forgetting to go to the other person and say you support them) causes Viviene to get chosen? In my first game, I chose the "I don't support this" option with Leliana but didn't go to Cassandra and support her.

 

Though it does make the conversation with Viviene where she talks about Cassandra being the best canidate kinda weird. Especially if you agree with her.

[ShibuyaInu]

Hmm, now I'm starting to wonder if choosing NOT to support either Leliana or Cassandra (but also forgetting to go to the other person and say you support them) causes Viviene to get chosen? In my first game, I chose the "I don't support this" option with Leliana but didn't go to Cassandra and support her.

 

Though it does make the conversation with Viviene where she talks about Cassandra being the best canidate kinda weird. Especially if you agree with her.

 

Not sure if that has a major effect or not. I supported Cassandra on the war table officially just before the temple, and I already stated support for Cassandra before I officially turned down Leliana (I could not support Cass further). I answered "I don't know" to Vivienne in terms of who to support, but she agreed that Cassandra would be best too. So yeah, tad awkward at the end when Viv claimed she needed new clothes for the Divine ceremony. I kept replaying before the last battle to change things, but I think I have to go much further back... perhaps even back to the mage/templar decisions.

[unclee]

Not sure if that has a major effect or not. I supported Cassandra on the war table officially just before the temple, and I already stated support for Cassandra before I officially turned down Leliana (I could not support Cass further). I answered "I don't know" to Vivienne in terms of who to support, but she agreed that Cassandra would be best too. So yeah, tad awkward at the end when Viv claimed she needed new clothes for the Divine ceremony. I kept replaying before the last battle to change things, but I think I have to go much further back... perhaps even back to the mage/templar decisions.

 

Did you agree wtih Viviene during the course of your conversations with her? Maybe agreeing that the Mages need to be put back under Templar watch causes something?

 

Honestly, from the way you described your situation, this is sounding like it may be a bug?

[Ebony Drake]

This is an odd thought, but has anyone garnered that the majority of types of wartable missions you undertake may have a small bearing on who becomes Divine? Diplomacy=Vivienne, Secrets=Leliana, and Forces=Cassandra, perhaps? The trinity seems to be set up in a way that could heavily imply this, but I would need to test it out further.

[Finnn62]

Is it possible to get Leliana Divine while having conscripted the mages? I think maybe I screwed that up. I'm really thinking I'll need to replay this playthrough, sometime after I'm done. I keep thinking I should have made different decisions at some points. I guess that's kind of the point with a game like this, hahaha

[Jaron Oberyn]

People should remember that the war table missions clearly state that doing them could in fact backfire. So as of now we don't know if thats a guarantee, based off of your influence, or completely random. 

[Battlebloodmage]

My decisions with Lelianna as the Chantry, pretty happy with it since I wanted her to be the Divine based on her policies:

Romanced Cassandra

Told the Chantry I'm not giving up Cassandra or Lelianna

United all 3 powers of Orlais

Allied with Mages

Aliied with Wardens

Formed new Seekers

Support both Cassandra and Lelianna that they should be divine

Agreeing with Vivienne that Cassandra would make a good divine.

Hardened Lelianna, tell her sacrifice is necessary in war

Agree to support Lelianna

Drink from the well.

Build a Chantry inside the Castle

[Battlebloodmage]

I wonder if you build a Chantry inside your castle would give you more influence on who you could support.

[Nadijeh]

I'm a little bummed because I can't support Leliana on my war table which makes me think she's probably out of the running in my current game even though she would reflect a lot of my decisions (logically) better than the others, with Cassandra being second. Oh well, I'll have to see when I get to that point and I suppose that's what the Keep is for when the time comes XD

[Swatgod971]

I just finished the game with my Mage Inquisitor and got Vivienne as Divine which is exactly who I wanted. 

 

Who did you side with mages/templars and under what condition. (Conscription, free)

Templars, Alliance

 

When speaking to companions regarding chantry, how did you respond? (i.e. Dorian, Vivienne) (i.e. chantry is fine, mages need to be free, chantry reformed)

I agreed with Vivienne's views 100% with others I told them the Chantry was fine and that we needed it. When it came to the question about being the Herald of Andraste I told them "I don't know" but I think the game treated this as if I said no.  

 

How did you treat the chantry ambassador who inquires about the next divine? (Complied, told them no, etc.)
Told her no

Did you do any of the war table operations to support a divine candidate?

Only found one which was to Support Vivienne, which I did with 17 Influence (Not sure if it had an effect)

Did you support a divine candidate through dialogue with them?
Yes, Vivienne I told her she'd be a good candidate. Did not support either Cassandra or Leliana

Who did you side with on the civil war?

Saved Celene and rekindled her relationship with Briala, Gaspard executed.

Cassandra disband the seekers?

No, told her to reform.

 

Cassandra romanced?

Yes

Cutscene from Mother Giselle talking to Cassandra, or Leliana about becoming the next divine?

Got it with Cassandra didn't support her as I wanted her to stay beside the Inquisitor.

 

Warden's Status?
Had them join the Inquistion.

 

Who drank from the Well of Sorrows?

Morrigan

 

Encouraged Leliana to kill traitor in Haven, thus hardening her or told her not to kill him?

Had her kill the traitor. Tried to stop her from killing the chantry priest in her quest, still killed her.
 

[redpanther897]

I somehow got stuck with Viviene for Divine, when I told Leliana I'd support her. There's no way my inquisitor would support her. I guess it's time to march my armies to Orlais and unseat this divine.

[lady8jane]

Has anyone tested this?  When some people ally with the mages/disband the templars, your choices seem to limit to Leliana/Casandra. On the other hand when others conscript with the mages/ally with the templars, your choices seem limit to Cassandra/Vivienne. 

Can anyone confirm this?

 

Nope, I allied with the mages and still had the operation to support Vivienne.

 

I think that the deciding factor are the conversations you have with Leliana and Cassandra. At one point you can say: No, I don't support you / You would make a great devine. And I think you will have to have this conversation with both to decide between the two.

 

If you decide to do the operation for Vivienne, Vivienne will be Divine.

[Battlebloodmage]

Nope, I allied with the mages and still had the operation to support Vivienne.

 

I think that the deciding factor are the conversations you have with Leliana and Cassandra. At one point you can say: No, I don't support you / You would make a great devine.

 

If you decide to do the operation for Vivienne, Vivienne will be Divine.

Nope, I tried not support Lelianna and do the Vivienne operation, and Lelianna still becomes a divine in my game. It's your decision throughout the game. Gaspard makes it more likely to not be Lelianna from my personal playthrough. I think conscripting the mages would rule out Lelianna.