I just replayed Adamant.
Guys...
The Grey Wardens kick the Inquisition's ass.
Cullen says they will be able to buy the Inquisitor time but they can't win.
I'm fairly certain part of the Grey Warden's succes at Adamant is due to the pride, rage and despair demons, plus all the shades.
The Grey Wardens themselves are not much of an issue.
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The Taint supposedly makes Wardens stronger or more stout/vigorous. This is where the legend of Grey Wardens' martial prowess comes from. That said if a scrub survives the Joining and is tainted then they're still a scrub until they've improved through training/experience.
This is demonstrated in game by giving every character that survives their Joining an extra talent/spell point and two attribute points.
I just replayed Adamant.
Guys...
The Grey Wardens kick the Inquisition's ass.
Cullen says they will be able to buy the Inquisitor time but they can't win.
Quite. I gathered that the whole point of the mission was to buy enough time to knock some sense into Clarel, not to actually win.
Especially with a bunch of Warden mages using blood magic to summon demons, there's no way we could have won.
I'm fairly certain part of the Grey Warden's succes at Adamant is due to the pride, rage and despair demons, plus all the shades.
The Grey Wardens themselves are not much of an issue.
You can't separate the two, because in this case the Warden mages were wielding demons like a weapon. Any Inquisition soldier felled by a demon was basically killed by a Warden spell.
You can't separate the two, because in this case the Warden mages were wielding demons like a weapon. Any Inquisition soldier felled by a demon was basically killed by a Warden spell.
Fair enough, but I'm still under the impression that if the wardens didn't have the demons. They would have gotten completely creamed.
Fair enough, but I'm still under the impression that if the wardens didn't have the demons. They would have gotten completely creamed.
Either way, the title is rather misleading.
Because the Grey Wardens do a massive number on the Inquisition until they surrender.
And that's WITH the fact all of those demons require Grey Warden warriors to be sacrificed.
The Wardens were never supposed to be as big of an army as the Inquisition. They aren't even as big as the Templars. They are just a small elite order focused on killing Darkspawn, not fighting wars. So it is no surprise that they were not as strong and got their butt kicked by the numerically superior Inquisition.
Quite. I gathered that the whole point of the mission was to buy enough time to knock some sense into Clarel, not to actually win.
Especially with a bunch of Warden mages using blood magic to summon demons, there's no way we could have won.
Also it's outright stated many soldiers survived thanks to Hawke. Had Hawke not been there, alot more Inquisition soldiers would have died. (which makes sense since by this point Hawke is a master at fighting demons)
Also it's outright stated many soldiers survived thanks to Hawke. Had Hawke not been there, alot more Inquisition soldiers would have died. (which makes sense since by this point Hawke is a master at fighting demons)
Even if it is the fact they have a half-dozen Pride demons running around.
Really, this is the entirety of the Templar Order or Circle plus the Inquisitions army versus a single Grey Warden fortress.
Frankly, I think the GWs may be a little OVERpowered.
But then again, however many mages were Blood Mages PLUS Grey Wardendom...well...damn.
That's a nightmare waiting to happen.
The taint does nothing but allow them to detect Darkspawn and also kill Archdemons.
So why exactly should they be more powerful? Strength alone does not make up for martial prowess. Your soldiers are well trained, well led and are fanatics beyond the fact you either have the entire might of the Templar Order/Circle of Magi.
The taint does nothing but allow them to detect Darkspawn and also kill Archdemons.
So why exactly should they be more powerful? Strength alone does not make up for martial prowess. Your soldiers are well trained, well led and are fanatics beyond the fact you either have the entire might of the Templar Order/Circle of Magi.
ANd Hawke who might be a horrible leader, is good at killing things.
Am I the only one who was HAPPY that my army that I'd been raising and recruiting fought like badasses? I'm so used to games giving me useless mooks as allies where it makes u feel like (if the hero wasnt there THEY ALL DIE EASILY). Instead We got to see them fighting like the disciplined force they are.
I got goosebumps watching my inquisitorial army acting like badasses in the cutscenes marching around all disciplined, reminding me of a Roman legion ( we even had guys marching around with banners behind my lockstep marching tower shield and sword guys). I Loved it.
And my view is that, grey Wardens are WARRIORS, while my Guys were SOLDIERS. Sure the Warrior might win 1v1, but put a disciplined army of soldiers up against an equal number of warriors and ill take the soldiers everytime.
hell this cutscene might have been my favorite part of the game@
There isn't really any reason why the inquisitions forces would be skilled, I imagine the majority of them are just zealot presents, the inquisition has only existed for a few months and has fought next to no battles. Compared to grey wardens who are supposed to be among the best of the best, to a extent the qunari even respect them. Who fight against unending force of relentless monsters.
The inquisitions victory in my opinion was due to confusion amongst warden ranks, poor leadership, sheer numbers and lack of Oghren.
Clarel was so easily convinced the whole thing could have been avoided by Josephine sending her a letter anyway.
THe inquisition is skirmishing and fighting battles against the venetori/red templars for months and is made up of volunteers, chevaliers, mercenary companies, not to mention hundreds of templars or mages, who are training constantly for 1 goal.
The wardens arent even an army, theyve done no fighting that hasnt been against mindless monsters, theres no reason to think they have any sort of grasp of tactics when fighting disciplined and THINKING opponents. The Wardens the best of the best? I'd dispute that, theres a world of difference between fighting what amount to animals and fighting a trained and diciplined enemy.
Wardens are VASTLY overrated
I don't know for someone that kills darkspawn for a living, you would think killing humans would be a day off.THe inquisition is skirmishing and fighting battles against the venetori/red templars for months and is made up of volunteers, chevaliers, mercenary companies, not to mention hundreds of templars or mages, who are training constantly for 1 goal.
The wardens arent even an army, theyve done no fighting that hasnt been against mindless monsters, theres no reason to think they have any sort of grasp of tactics when fighting disciplined and THINKING opponents. The Wardens the best of the best? I'd dispute that, theres a world of difference between fighting what amount to animals and fighting a trained and diciplined enemy.
Wardens are VASTLY overrated
darkspawn do not think generally, thats why when thinking intelligent darkspawn came grey wardens were annihilated at vigilant.
Okay, this conversation has just gotten strange.
1. The Inquisition only won because the Grey Wardens surrendered.
2. The Grey Wardens being legendary warriors is canon, even if their reputation is exaggerated.
3. The Inquisition is filled with veteran soldiers, not raw recruits.
In Awakening if you leave Anders to defend the vigil's keep, he kills hundreds of darkspawn all by himself and is branded the champion of vigil's keep.
That's a taste of powers of a strong mage and a grey warden. Not to mention only the mages with strongest willpower can become spirit healers to begin with. Healing is literally the hardest thing a mage can do and its very very rare.
Not to mention Anders did all that without help of Justice. He would be much stronger with Justice.
In Awakening if you leave Anders to defend the vigil's keep, he kills hundreds of darkspawn all by himself and is branded the champion of vigil's keep.
That's a taste of powers of a strong mage and a grey warden. Not to mention only the mages with strongest willpower can become spirit healers to begin with. Healing is literally the hardest thing a mage can do and its very very rare.
Counterpoint, the Virgil's Keep Wardens are all massacred by those same Darkspawn.
Anders is just a spectacular archmage.
At least by the end of the campaign.
Probably why he keeps surviving.
The only mage who gets extra power from being a Grey Warden is Avernus.
Counterpoint, the Virgil's Keep Wardens are all massacred by those same Darkspawn.
Anders is just a spectacular archmage.
At least by the end of the campaign.
Probably why he keeps surviving.
The only mage who gets extra power from being a Grey Warden is Avernus.
The wardens were ambushed the first time around. The Architect messed with their whole "sense the darkspawn feeling thingy".
The wardens were ambushed the first time around. The Architect messed with their whole "sense the darkspawn feeling thingy".
I think the Grey Warden and Alistair at the end of the Fifth Blight could massacre most of their brothers.
Sort of like Anakin and Luke versus most Jedi.
There can be elites and THE BEST OF THE BEST.
Oghren disapprovesI think the Grey Warden and Alistair at the end of the Fifth Blight could massacre most of their brothers.
Sort of like Anakin and Luke versus most Jedi.
There can be elites and THE BEST OF THE BEST.
Oghren disapproves
Poor Mhairi.
Cut down too soon, but at least she died before she saw what sort of Wardens the Commander recruited after her.
Oghren greatly disapprovesPoor Mhairi.
Cut down too soon, but at least she died before she saw what sort of Wardens the Commander recruited after her.
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