1) The main story-line can be completed in under 15 hours if you avoid sidequests (took me 17 with random sidequests here and there).
I enjoyed DA:O, but even that game paled in comparison to BG2.
You mean this BG2 which took < 22 minutes to complete?
You mean this BG2 which took < 22 minutes to complete?
Ah memories.
WAIT THIS GAME IS CRAP. LOOK AT HOW SHORT IT IS.
UTTER GARBAGE. DEFEND THIS BIODRONES.
Ah memories.
WAIT THIS GAME IS CRAP. LOOK AT HOW SHORT IT IS.
UTTER GARBAGE. DEFEND THIS BIODRONES.
I can't believe I bought the enhanced BG2 edition for just 22 minutes of content, WTF!! I demand my money back!!!
You mean this BG2 which took < 22 minutes to complete?
Way to exploit those bugs/glitches in a mediocre 'enhanced' edition of a 15 year old PC game that actually introduced more bugs into the game than were already present in the first place. I'll be sure to revisit DA:I in 15 years on my hologram PC and beat it in <5 mins if that makes you happy. Really an accurate representation there - looking forward to the turbo setting for DA:I in the 2020's. Unfortunately, no one will be playing this game in 15 years, because it's a throwaway console rpg that introduces nothing new to the genre, and will be forgotten, unlike BG1+2 which set the standard for RPG's going forward.
Yeah, of course, that was surely a playthrough...
The whole difference between DAI and BG2 is that even if BG2 could be finished in 30 seconds I'd like for it to last 80 hours while with DAI it is exactly the opposite.
To each their own, I guess. I was captivated by the ending of the first act, storywise. Whatever. A few bugs on the PS4 really doesn't bother me, nor are they game-breaking. I''m twenty hours in and just now running around Skyhold....and that was finishing a decent amount of the Hinterlands (didn't barely touch the Storm Coast aside from recruiting Iron Bull) and the only reason I kind of rushed that was because I wanted to romance Dorian. Crap, the companion conversations could take as long as fifteen - twenty min. Did you not talk to anyone at all? What's the fricking point of playing that way?
Damn, dude, if you wanted the ending that badly, you should have just Youtubed it.
Some people don't like doing a bunch of side missions that don't really relate to the main story. I don't think that means we want to rush it, but instead want the main story to stand on its own rather than making us do a bunch of unrelated side missions. I didn't find conversations lasting 20 minutes unless you took 10 minutes to figure out what you want to say. Most conversations are over in 5-6 minutes and the ones that are longer aren't that often.
Way to exploit those bugs/glitches in a mediocre 'enhanced' edition of a 15 year old PC game that actually introduced more bugs into the game than were already present in the first place. I'll be sure to revisit DA:I in 15 years on my hologram PC and beat it in <5 mins if that makes you happy. Really an accurate representation there - looking forward to the turbo setting for DA:I in the 2020's. Unfortunately, no one will be playing this game in 15 years, because it's a throwaway console rpg that introduces nothing new to the genre, and will be forgotten, unlike BG1+2 which set the standard for RPG's going forward.
um...no it didn't.
In fact, I can tell you which games did back then, Ultima, Final Fantasy, and Elder Scrolls.
um...no it didn't.
In fact, I can tell you which games did back then, Ultima, Final Fantasy, and Elder Scrolls.
No.
Final Fantasy? Yes, as far as JRPG goes, but less than Dragon Quest.
Ultima? Kind of, I'd say Ultima is unique, like a King with no heir, so, not a standard.
Elder Scrolls? Again, no, for less than a decade perhaps
Baldur's Gate just like Elder Scrolls is more of a genealogy than a standard IMO
No.
Final Fantasy? Yes, as far as JRPG goes, but less than Dragon Quest.
Ultima? Kind of, I'd say Ultima is unique, like a King with no heir, so, not a standard.
Elder Scrolls? Again, no, for less than a decade perhaps
Baldur's Gate just like Elder Scrolls is more of a genealogy than a standard IMO
Still though, you asked regarding history, those are your answers in the end. If Baldur's Gate set the standards so well, we would be using those standards, now wouldn't we?
We see an influx of open worlds, party and story mechanics that BioWare borrowed to make Baldur's Gate from Ultima, and most of the menu wrangling from Final Fantasy.
Lineage is right there, my friend.
Yeah, of course, that was surely a playthrough...
The whole difference between DAI and BG2 is that even if BG2 could be finished in 30 seconds I'd like for it to last 80 hours while with DAI it is exactly the opposite.
The OP stated Inquisition only took him 15 hours to complete cause he followed the main quest line only and also used BG2 as the holy grail comparison. I simply followed his comments up with what a random gamer on youtube did with the Holy Grail in under 23 minutes by following the main quest only.
Way to exploit those bugs/glitches in a mediocre 'enhanced' edition of a 15 year old PC game that actually introduced more bugs into the game than were already present in the first place. I'll be sure to revisit DA:I in 15 years on my hologram PC and beat it in <5 mins if that makes you happy. Really an accurate representation there - looking forward to the turbo setting for DA:I in the 2020's. Unfortunately, no one will be playing this game in 15 years, because it's a throwaway console rpg that introduces nothing new to the genre, and will be forgotten, unlike BG1+2 which set the standard for RPG's going forward.
Did I take a pee in your cereal box with that Holy Grail game of yours? that youtube speedrun link was pretty epic I might say. Glad I didn't waste my cash on 20 minutes of content that's for sure. Least you got your moneys worth, l 
I'm extremely happy with the game, even though I'm playing on PS3. Though the game froze about... 3 times during my 26 hours so far.
I am surprisingly enjoying myself. I didn't really have much hope because I was not a fan of Dragon age 2. I do loathe that you have to hold down R to attack, I find that incredibly difficult to do as a melee character, I am hoping that at some point they try to add in an auto attack on the pc, until then I may have to stick to mage and rogue (bows.)
I am only just at skyhold now though so I don't think I am very far in the game, I am enjoying all the collections, the bottles, tomes shards etc. I will probably become very ocd about this and have to collect everything and finish up every side quest before I progress with the main mission.
The OP stated Inquisition only took him 15 hours to complete cause he followed the main quest line only and also used BG2 as the holy grail comparison. I simply followed his comments up with what a random gamer on youtube did with the Holy Grail in under 23 minutes by following the main quest only.
Beating BG2 in 23 minutes is impossible. Whoever posted that video is cheating. Doing that Gauntlet thing alone takes more than 30 minutes, due to all the walking around.
So, I just finished my first playthrough. 83 hours and I still could go back and do all the remaining side quests. 40/50 achievements done and I wasn't even TRYING to do achievements.
DA:I is the Skyrim I wanted. A large, fleshed out world with side quests galore to do until I hate side quests and do a main quest - which each are epic and sprawling and really fun.
Each of the companions are Bioware companions, with personalities and full lives outside of your little insular world.
Sure, there are bugs I wish weren't there. They'll be patched, though!
Sure the pc controls take a little bit to get used to, but once you figure out how to use them, they're no worse or better then any other game.
So, to answer the OP's question - No, I did not hate it. In fact, I'm about to start up playthrough #2. I love this game. It's everything I wanted.
Hate is a strong word. It sure is better then DA2. I don't know how they could even make this game better then it was. One of my favorite parts is early in the game. When you close the rift. You think it's over. That the game has reached its ending. Only to discover that it's just getting started. Seriously, what's not to like. I'm doing my second playthrough. I have about 55 hours so far logged into the game combined.
Looks like a lot of people in this thread don't know the difference between a speedrun and normal gameplay.
Way to exploit those bugs/glitches in a mediocre 'enhanced' edition of a 15 year old PC game that actually introduced more bugs into the game than were already present in the first place. I'll be sure to revisit DA:I in 15 years on my hologram PC and beat it in <5 mins if that makes you happy. Really an accurate representation there - looking forward to the turbo setting for DA:I in the 2020's. Unfortunately, no one will be playing this game in 15 years, because it's a throwaway console rpg that introduces nothing new to the genre, and will be forgotten, unlike BG1+2 which set the standard for RPG's going forward.
Looks like a lot of people in this thread don't know the difference between a speedrun and normal gameplay.
Oh, we know. We're just making fun of some folks for not presenting a coherent argument. I suppose the snark posts need to be accompanied by boring disclaimers, though. The problem with using irony and hyperbole on BSN is that there are so many crazy real positions here that nobody knows when you're kidding.
Oh, we know. We're just making fun of some folks for not presenting a coherent argument. I suppose the snark posts need to be accompanied by boring disclaimers, through.
Leaving the disclaimers out is half the fun.
Still heavy into the game at 60+ hours. Love it. It's different, but there are a ton of good things. Some things I'd like to change a little, but seriously. So far I see it as fine as is overall. It's fun, exciting and entertaining. It's harder than the previous DA installments, but isn't that what most hardcore fans want usually?
The game is awesome.
Positive, 'professional' reviews got me again, just like with DA2 (I did enjoy ME3 though).
My issues with the game after having completed it.
1) The main story-line can be completed in under 15 hours if you avoid sidequests (took me 17 with random sidequests here and there).
2) The ratio of side-quests to the main plot is ridiculous. It felt like I was playing a single-player mmo, (where the majority of side-quests are fetch quests).
3) I haven't started a second game, but I get the feeling that my decisions don't really matter and that the conclusion to the game would be largely the same regardless of my choices (contrasted against an older RPG like the Witcher 2, where you could miss HALF the game because of your choices - now that's roleplaying. Witcher 3 is supposed to have over 30 different endings...)
4) The main storyline is TERRIBLE. Felt like I'd already heard this story with the Oblivion gates... Only I can save the world - blah,blah,blah - constant RPG tropes. I expected more from Bioware.
5) Controls are brutal on PC - I realize this dead horse has already been beaten... but even the controller setup ain't great. My ranged units still just sit there firing arrows into the distance while getting pummeled by melee enemies.
6) The romance plot-lines are ridiculous - poorly written fanfiction is what they remind me of.
7) Unintuitive UI and menu after menu after menu.
8) A closed 'open' world where I'm constantly trying to find out how the hell to get past invisible barriers. The world just feels like a crap-ton of beautifully created corridors that funnel me in random directions.
Tons of other issues I had with the game, but honestly, feels like regression on Bioware's part - like they're now chasing the RPG industry rather than innovating. I enjoyed DA:O, but even that game paled in comparison to BG2. I also enjoyed ME for its storyline/setting, but this team that's been working on the past 2 Dragon Ages... my word. It's like they've never played any of the games that made Bioware the RPG standard in the first place. Compared to the ME series, that series felt connected throughout its iterations. Choices truly mattered game-to-game, while here? Blights and Breaches and personal stories in between - there's hardly any connection at all - it's like Bioware is just throwing random plot-lines and mechanics at the wall and seeing what sticks, with a few dragons thrown in here and there to justify its namesake.
The KillScreen review on Metacritic is the only that really hits on most of my qualms with the game, and even that review was far to generous in my opinion with its 75% score. While I'll be in the minority here, I wouldn't give this game higher than a 5/10.
I too feel like Bioware has "dumbed down" its games - in part to maybe entice "non-rpg" players to play one. BG 2 rocked - I was one of the Borg Clan members ( there were only 10 of us) and we were the ruling clan for "Edited Scripting and Character remodeling". Playing the game completely legit was so much fun - but after 6 times thru it, we began to delve into "editing and character remodeling".
DAO I enjoyed - I really got into DA Awakening - DA2 pretty much sucked like a Hoover vacuum cleaner.
DAI is a pale comparison to a real RPG game. Kingdoms Of Amalur on the PS3 was what I would call a true RPG - when you went "dungeon crawling" it looked like what I remembered from Baldurs Gate 2 Shadows of Amn...only larger and in more detail and when you went into a cave - it looked like what you would expect to see in a cave - and the colors and graphics of that game were so over the top that it made all the other games seem "bland".
DAI does not allow you to 'change your characters AI" or at least I havent been able to...DA Awakening was fun - you could choose exactly how your character would act and re-act - and you could have more than "8" health potions - - - you could buy the ingredients cheaply as well as the flasks and you would always have at least one character who could combine the ingredients into healing potions of several different strengths as well as other potions. DAI is so limiting in almost every way that it just takes away the ability of making a character "your own" - the "open-world" is Not an Open World - you cant go where you want, When you Want nor can you make your characters act and re-act the way "You" want them to. This isnt a "better" RPG - this is a pale comparison to a real RPG game.
Im Not Impressed - but then again, Im a 66 year old gamer who started out with Pong - and worked my way along with a Nintendo system, then a PS1 - then a PS2 - a PS3 and now the PS4, which by the way has shown me nothing as far as graphics or game play that it is any better than the PS3 - fact is, the PS3 games I have now are a lot more fun to play than any of the ones Ive gotten for my PS4. Bah Humbug~!
Beating BG2 in 23 minutes is impossible. Whoever posted that video is cheating. Doing that Gauntlet thing alone takes more than 30 minutes, due to all the walking around.
You are totally correct - no way you can beat BG2 - Shadows of Amn in 23 minutes. You could "say" you did but you can say many other things that arent true as well ...
Way to exploit those bugs/glitches in a mediocre 'enhanced' edition of a 15 year old PC game that actually introduced more bugs into the game than were already present in the first place. I'll be sure to revisit DA:I in 15 years on my hologram PC and beat it in <5 mins if that makes you happy. Really an accurate representation there - looking forward to the turbo setting for DA:I in the 2020's. Unfortunately, no one will be playing this game in 15 years, because it's a throwaway console rpg that introduces nothing new to the genre, and will be forgotten, unlike BG1+2 which set the standard for RPG's going forward.
Shh. It's ok that Bioware didn't make a game you like. Just let it go, child. Now lets take out those rose-tinted glasses as its simply isn't befitting for a kid. Now go play some RPGs that you actually like rather than finding pleasure in bashing games that you don't care for.
Oh wait, you won't do that because all you want is our attention to your opinions like a leech.
EDIT:
Fine, here's a speedrun without cheats with the original Baldur's Gate II done under 2 hours.
https://archive.org/...dursGate2_11137
WHAT A SUCKY GAME! UNDER 2 HOURS FOR THE MAIN STORYLINE?!
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