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[Elanor]

I'm just going to refuse to finish this playthrough until this is patched.

 

Eh, my thoughts exactly... 

[RageQueen89]

I'm just going to refuse to finish this playthrough until this is patched.

 

Yup. That's about what I'm doing, too. XD

[Acuado]

I killed three groups of Venatori and I went to speak to Dorian. I didn't get letter from Felix scene though. I missed something or should I talk with him more? Gain more approval? Ughh, this bug is so annoying. 

For now I know we must talk to Dorian before talk to Varric for "Varric's Friend" quest on the rampart when you arrive at Skysomething (sry i've not english game )  but better is probably talk to him first 2 times or more (?) for unlock quest .. if ofc it's a bug.. 

 

I'm just going to refuse to finish this playthrough until this is patched.

Same .. have +110h game .. & if i cant do this on this playthrough, i'll reset game on easy mode, i already do hard mode with my 2nd play for succes so why restart in normal after ..

 

Or I think i'll romance him with Cassandra like she love him (i could do 2 others romances but i dont unlock by choice) & do .. with theif Dorian's romance.. but i hate think this.. i wanted romance two mages together .. elfe x humain too x_x"

 

Well hope that will fixed fast

[LilyasAvalon]

So I conscripted the mages this time around, and I still got this quest to trigger no problem, in fact, I had an EASIER time getting it to trigger and complete then when I allied with them!

 

I don't understand this game sometimes....

[Lunarwench]

Hi all, I had replied in another thread about this same problem, but this thread seems more active, so I'm copy/pasting my original comment here:

 

Okay, so adding my own experience to this because I'm just so heartbroken.

 

First time I played through the game as a female inquisitor (wanted to romance Dorian, so I spent every available second with him, always had him in my party, always checked with him whenever I returned to Haven/Skyhold after some missions, but got turned down due to my innie instead of an outie) and his personal quest triggered with no issue for me. I just kept talking to him as much as a could, then the Letter from Felix cutscene came and that made Mother Giselle give me the letter. At this point, I hadn't even started his "kill all the venatori jerks" quest. I don't think I even did any of his missions on the war table either. But, his personal quest still triggered with no issue. Unfortunately, due to my lack of desired parts, I merely kept him as my BFF and romanced the crap out of Cullen. It was magical. I cried.

 

Now, second playthrough. Have created a gorgeous male elf just for Dorian. Super excited to do his romance. Did everything pretty much the same as my first playthrough. Flirt with him like crazy and have even done some of his war table quests. Nothing. Wanted to know when I could romance him, came online to check how to trigger it, discovered all the complaints and warnings of glitches related to specifically this.

 

Here's what I've done to try and fix it (with various reloads from a save point set immediately after coming to Skyhold):

-Talked to him immediately without talking to anyone else in phase 1 of Skyhold. (No Quest)

-Talked to him immediately without talking to anyone else, and then leaving Skyhold and coming back to slightly cleaned up phase 2 of Skyhold. (No Quest)

-Talked to him and then everyone else in phase 1 Skyhold. (No Quest)

-Talked to Varric and Hawke on the ramparts. (No Quest)

-Ignored Varric and Hawke on the ramparts. (No Quest)

-Completed all Dorian's war table and venatori-kill quests to varying degrees. (No Quest)

-Judged Alexius then talked to Dorian. (No Quest)

-Waited to judge Alexius since Alexius mentions his son being dead and Dorian's letter also mentions Felix dying. (No Quest)

-Saved and loaded the game from multiple places within Skyhold, outside Skyhold, near Dorian, far from Dorian. (No Quest)

-Cried a lot. (No Quest)

 

The only other thing different about this second playthrough is that I've used Origin to import decisions from my DA:O and DA2. Has anyone noticed if the glitch happens with only people using Origin?

 

Do we know if Bioware developers are even aware of this glitch? I see nothing on their "Known Glitches" lists.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Well, it won't be patched since it isn't broken. You need high enough approval and, you have to go to the main hall right after you get the convo about the letter concerning Felix. Stop and talk to Solas, turn in creature bits, etc.. and you miss Giselle, thus never starting the quest.

[Sundance31us]

Clarification...

Lunarwench, did talk to Mother Giselle to start the quest or are you trying to start it with Dorian?

[Lunarwench]

Well, it won't be patched since it isn't broken. You need high enough approval and, you have to go to the main hall right after you get the convo about the letter concerning Felix. Stop and talk to Solas, turn in creature bits, etc.. and you miss Giselle, thus never starting the quest.

Hi, I'm not sure if you're talking to me or the OP but I figured it couldn't hurt to respond! I have gotten significant approval from Dorian in every single conversation (because I'm fiercely trying to woo the man), and I've done his war table quests, and killed all the Venatori. He's maxed out for approval as far as I know. And I've talked to him at every stage of Skyhold first (again, trying to woo), and the specific issue is that the cut-scene about Felix's death in the letter NEVER happens. Mother Giselle doesn't move to the main hall with the letter from Dorian's father until AFTER that cuts-cene. And this is a noticeable difference because when I did my first playthrough as a lady, I got that cut-scene about Felix even before I did the Venatori quest. I had killed maybe one group of them, but Dorian talked about Felix just fine, and that made Giselle go to the main hall.

 

This is definitely a glitch because some people are almost to the end of the game after doing all of Dorian's personal quests trying to trigger "The Last Resort of Good Men", but Mother Giselle never appears with the letter and Dorian never talks about Felix. There shouldn't be a specific set of absolute settings (have to talk to Dorian before anyone or else, have to see him in stage one of Skyhold or else, have to avoid talking to Hawke first or else) because this makes completing his companion quest impossible for some. And no other character works like that. I avoided talking to Cullen for nearly the whole game in my first playthrough, so to compensate, the game automatically gave me all his cut-scenes in order right after the other when I chose to go catch up with him. The chance to do a quest should not "disappear" if you don't "catch it in time" because this is only happening for Dorian. And not every time.

 

Clarification...

Lunarwench, did talk to Mother Giselle to start the quest or are you trying to start it with Dorian?

 Hi Sundance, are you the same kind Sundance that helped me in the other forum? I'm a little confused by your question. :/ I know that going to talk to Giselle in the garden doesn't trigger the quest "The Last Resort of Good Men". She appears in the main hall with an exclamation point after the cut-scene with Dorian about getting a letter from Felix. So, I have talked to Mother Giselle in the garden, but is that supposed to help? In my first playthrough as a female, I didn't even know Mother Giselle was in the garden until AFTER completing TLRoGM quest, so talking to her there had nothing to do with getting the quest. And I'm just talking to Dorian waiting for the cut-scene about Felix's death, but it is not triggering and he is at max approval. Which wasn't needed for that first perfect playthrough. *wistful sigh* Why couldn't my first character have been male? I could have romanced Dorian no problem since it triggered just fine the first time around.

[Laconicraven]

Well, it won't be patched since it isn't broken. You need high enough approval and, you have to go to the main hall right after you get the convo about the letter concerning Felix. Stop and talk to Solas, turn in creature bits, etc.. and you miss Giselle, thus never starting the quest.

If you're correct, this just seems like poor design. You miss a single conversation by accident (which is easy to do because you have a million other things going on) and then are locked out from an entire romance? The cut-scene for Felix's death never happens. And from what I've heard, Mother Giselle will call out to you in the hall. I know my relationship was high enough with Dorian, but mother Giselle never even showed up and called out to me and in turn I never got the letter first for that to even happen. I wish Bioware would just officially address this finally so we can know what the problem is and if it is indeed a bug, if it will ever get fixed. Or to just move on and tell us we missed the opportunity. I've been sitting on a 90+ hour save waiting for this to get fixed for some time now. 

[Sundance31us]

 Hi Sundance, are you the same kind Sundance that helped me in the other forum? I'm a little confused by your question. :/ I know that going to talk to Giselle in the garden doesn't trigger the quest "The Last Resort of Good Men". She appears in the main hall with an exclamation point after the cut-scene with Dorian about getting a letter from Felix. So, I have talked to Mother Giselle in the garden, but is that supposed to help? In my first playthrough as a female, I didn't even know Mother Giselle was in the garden until AFTER completing TLRoGM quest, so talking to her there had nothing to do with getting the quest. And I'm just talking to Dorian waiting for the cut-scene about Felix's death, but it is not triggering and he is at max approval. Which wasn't needed for that first perfect playthrough. *wistful sigh* Why couldn't my first character have been male? I could have romanced Dorian no problem since it triggered just fine the first time around.

 

Yes, I am the same Sundance.

My first couple of play-throughs I didn't even know Last Resort existed, then suddenly there it was. That first time I had no idea what happened to Felix; I only found out about him during my most recent play-through, which is my first Dorian romance run.

This play-through (Dorian romance) I ignored everyone (even judging Alexus) once we reached Skyhold and started talking to Dorian. Oddly enough both the ring quest and Last Resort triggered w/o having to take down one Venatori.

[Helgagrim]

Mother Giselle actually gives the quest in your Skyhold throne room hall. Dorian doesn't start the quest himself. But It might be a little bugged, because I didn't get the quest until my third playthrough.

[Lunarwench]

Yes, I am the same Sundance.

My first couple of play-throughs I didn't even know Last Resort existed, then suddenly there it was. That first time I had no idea what happened to Felix; I only found out about him during my most recent play-through, which is my first Dorian romance run.

This play-through (Dorian romance) I ignored everyone (even judging Alexus) once we reached Skyhold and started talking to Dorian. Oddly enough both the ring quest and Last Resort triggered w/o having to take down one Venatori.

Hello again, then, friend! I triggered LR no problem my first playthrough, but t'was a lady and so I wouldn't have been too broken about not getting it (except for the completionist in me). That first playthrough, LR also triggered without me having to do Venatori killings.

 

However, this second playthrough, when I specifically planned to nab Dorian for my own, it is not triggering no matter what I do.

 

I mean, I COULD go romance The Iron Bull or something, but I like to tailor-make my characters to what I want to see romancing those NPC's of my choosing. And my current creation is not TIB's type! (I realize I sound like a loon. I accept that. My head is a strange place.)

[devSin]

Mother Giselle actually gives the quest in your Skyhold throne room hall. Dorian doesn't start the quest himself. But It might be a little bugged, because I didn't get the quest until my third playthrough.

Yes, the bug is that the conversation never fires, no matter how much approval you get with him (and since Giselle gets spawned during the conversation, you can never start his quest or pursue a romance with him).

If you do get the conversation, you should be good to go. You can do whatever you want, even leave Skyhold and return, and Giselle will stick around in the hall until you talk to her.

[Lunarwench]

Yes, the bug is that the conversation never fires, no matter how much approval you get with him (and since Giselle gets spawned during the conversation, you can never start his quest or pursue a romance with him).

If you do get the conversation, you should be good to go. You can do whatever you want, even leave Skyhold and return, and Giselle will stick around in the hall until you talk to her.

 Exactly, and that is so frustrating. Since the bug prevents people from getting that quest, but not from playing the game, I have a feeling that fixing it will be last on the patch list. If they fix it at all.

 

And reading through these forums, there seems to be so many issues with the game. But on my first-generation 360, I was able to play the first time though with literally no glitches or bugs or freezes. Sure, the graphics were not stellar, but that's my outdated system. It was still 100% playable. I wonder if people are having more or less issues for PC versus consoles.

[Lunarwench]

OH MY GOSH! I GOT AROUND THE GLITCH!

 

Okay, so I on a whim just tried something, and unfortunately, it's not going to work for a lot of people. But I kept thinking how the Last Resort of Good Men quest started without an issue in my first playthrough and how some of the people here were convinced that having "too much approval" would lock you out of the quest forever, so I thought back to what I'd done differently the first time around. In my first playthrough, all I had done was killed ONE of the three Venatori groups and Dorian's quest triggered with no problem. It had nothing to do with Hawke or Alexius (at least for me...). So, THIS TIME, I loaded up a save I had luckily created for right after I arrived at Skyhold for the first time. Then I went to the war table and completed "Dorian's Request" which opened up the Venatori quest, and then all I did was go eliminate ONE group in the Hinterlands. Once I saw "Dorian Greatly Approves", I went back to Skyhold and talked to him, and the cutscene where he has the letter from Felix triggered automatically, and BOOM, Mother Giselle was in the main hall right after. YAY!

 

Here are some things I've seen people claim:

-You have to ignore Dorian before Skyhold and not exhaust all his conversation (FALSE! I talked to Dorian every single time I went to Haven and flirted and used up all his convo options before getting to Skyhold)

-You have to choose "kill corypheous" option during your first speech as Inquisitor (FALSE! I'm a Dalish and I chose the Dalish specialty option)

-You have to ignore all other quests before doing Dorian's or else you'll miss it forever (FALSE! I didn't even talk to Dorian in phase 1 of Skyhold and just activated his quest. I also went around and talked to others as well, left Skyhold once, came back to phase 2 of the building process, and then talked to Dorian again. At this point, there were no more convo options, so I left, killed one group out of the three Venatori groups, went back to Skyhold, talked to Dorian and the cutscene happened.)

 

So, by process of elimination, there's definitely a glitch with going too high on Dorian's approval, which is bullspit. Because how the heck can someone like you TOO MUCH to start a companion quest with you?

 

Bioware, please fix this!

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I've romanced him, ignored him, been nice but not romanced, allied and conscripted both mages and templars and, I get it every time. Not always right after getting to Skyhold, the last go not until after What Pride has Wrought, but, I still got it.

[Sugram84]

i even have not gotten the mission jet, my new char, so far in game & that holy mother has not shown up to give it to me, i wonder what triggers that mission, or is it a glitch that she has not given me the mission, for other who have issue that no1 is in the bar, load or go out & come back, then it starts

 

in awry are i did mane missions, first when i got to skyhold i went in to the area where Dalish camp is (part of Tales) & Orlei strongholds that were taken over by freemen & their undead, cleared it, next was the area also in Tales where few elves are ready to go in Elven ruins & also there are Freemen, i did this ares mane missions & after that mane missions, maybe some of the stuff there is a trigger, like western approach, the Vint guy there who i can capture, Vint & Vints is how Bull calls Venetori

 

last 2 times i played i got the mission & then i cleared all the ares mentioned, if its not bug & was meant like this cause u delayed with the trigger it sucks, if its a bug then it means we all should just clear the 3 areas before going for the attack on Warden stronghold

[Gervaise]

All I can say is that it is sheer luck if you trigger this quest.    First run through I wasn't even aware there was meant to be a problem and got it no trouble.   Second run through I appear to have done everything the same, yet he has never got the Felix letter, so nothing has followed.  Every time I did something, I went back to talk to him but I exhausted all the options pretty quickly and now he has nothing to say for himself.    Both these runs I sided with the mages and accepted them as allies rather than conscripts.  Incidentally, whilst it may lead onto the romance, it is not exclusive to that.    However, first run through my girl was flirting with him like crazy, but then I did the same the second.

 

I wish there was a definitive answer on this from THE DEVELOPERS themselves.   When I finish this I want to do another run with him as my romance but taking the Templars path.   Will this add to my difficulties or will it solve them, since I assume I recruit him much later and therefore can do no conversations prior to Skyhold?

[Eshamae]

YES! I finally got the quest! Thank you so much!

 

OH MY GOSH! I GOT AROUND THE GLITCH!

 

Okay, so I on a whim just tried something, and unfortunately, it's not going to work for a lot of people. But I kept thinking how the Last Resort of Good Men quest started without an issue in my first playthrough and how some of the people here were convinced that having "too much approval" would lock you out of the quest forever, so I thought back to what I'd done differently the first time around. In my first playthrough, all I had done was killed ONE of the three Venatori groups and Dorian's quest triggered with no problem. It had nothing to do with Hawke or Alexius (at least for me...). So, THIS TIME, I loaded up a save I had luckily created for right after I arrived at Skyhold for the first time. Then I went to the war table and completed "Dorian's Request" which opened up the Venatori quest, and then all I did was go eliminate ONE group in the Hinterlands. Once I saw "Dorian Greatly Approves", I went back to Skyhold and talked to him, and the cutscene where he has the letter from Felix triggered automatically, and BOOM, Mother Giselle was in the main hall right after. YAY!

 

 

I've been trying for ages to get the quest, and can now confirm that this way worked for me as well.

 

Playthrough 1 (templars):

- immediately after arriving at Skyhold recruited Dorian

- did wartable mission "Dorian's request"

- eliminated the venatori group in the Hinterlands

- back to Skyhold, talked to Dorian, Felix letter scene triggered

 

Playthrough 2 (mages):

- after talking to Hawke (didn't have an earlier Skyhold save) did wartable mission "Dorian's request"

- talked to Dorian (the Corypheus conversation), saved game

(- eliminated the venatori group in the Hinterlands)

(- back to Skyhold, talked to Dorian, got the "it occurs to me that you're a mage" conversation, so no quest*)

- reloaded the save right after the Corypheus conversation

- immediately talked to Dorian again and the Felix letter scene triggered

 

It seems to me that there is no way to start the quest anymore after the "so you're a mage/carta/..." conversation with Dorian. Can anyone confirm or disprove that?

 

 

*and not after several more tries of running back and forth and talking to Dorian

[Sugram84]

i remembered 1 thing what was with my first char, i so mother Giselle with mission mark & where she should be when she has mission mark, but i did not take the mission, i was thinking i take it late, but later she was gone, so warning, even if u don't want to make that quest when she appear still accept it or u lose the chance, it can rot in ur journal until the last mission & u do it before final mission if u want, also if mission next stage wont be triggered when u enter the redclif bar then there is 2 thing u can try, first, while ur inside quick save & load (that worked for me), second go out & control dorian & then enter the bar (that i heard from somewhere), & to be sure that u get that mission talk to dorian right after the dialogue cut scenes

 

3 chars & all have done that mission but total i have 6chars, not finished, 2nd chat was first who did hes mission 

[christoph101]

 

Question about triggering "The Magisters Birthright" quest, 

 

is it suppose to activate right after i talk to dorian about the letter regarding felix? I went down to where solas is and there wasn't any messenger? I already am in a roamantic relationship with dorian, but it won't appear. Do i have to do the venatori quest first? or did i mess up because i didn't let dorian's father say what he was suppose to. I chose the "leave with dorian" option inside the tavern. :-/

 

EDIT: found a way around this by going to Val Royeaux with dorian then spoke to Ponchard. After speaking with him, the quest started and when i got back to sky hold, the messenger was waiting in Solas' room.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Since Dorian isn't a LI, I can only point you to this

[Elanor]

Ahhh, finally in my third playtrough I managed to talk to Giselle: here's what I've done:

 

- I sided with Templars

- after geting to Skyhold I left it wthout talking to anyone and come back

- I talked  to Dorian, recruited him and talk again with him about everything

- finished Dorian request and friend from somewhere missions on the war table

- in meantime I talked with everyone in Skyhold

- I killed one group of Venatori in Hinterland

- when I come back to Skyhold I talked with Dorian and the Felix scene finally happened

- Mother Giselle is in the Great Hall.

 

And I am 100% certain that she never appeared there before because there is exclamation mark on map and I would missed it.

Hope this help for those who struggle with this weird bug. 

 

Btw, I hope I won't get the Tawern bug because ughhh...

 

Edit:

Yes, I had tawern bug also but I entered as Dorian and the cutscene appeared. Ufff.

[PauloGuina]

I have other kind of bug now. The quest triggered and i talked to mother Giselle,but when i enter the tavern,nothing happens. Tried restarting the game,loading an older save,yet nothing happens when i enter the tavern.

[Shard of Truth]

I have other kind of bug now. The quest triggered and i talked to mother Giselle,but when i enter the tavern,nothing happens. Tried restarting the game,loading an older save,yet nothing happens when i enter the tavern.

Try to take only Dorian with you.

 

Why is there still no patch available to fix these main problems, not even an ETA? For shame Bioware, even DAII had better support.