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[Kawamura]

I don't think so. I imported purple Hawke and checked a couple videos on youtube to compare. Some responses are the same no matter the personality, others do change but they all sound serious and angry. Purple Hawke is more pissed than snarky. I've only played till Crestwood and don't want to spoil myself much, so I haven't seen videos further in the storyline. It might change. I hope so.

 

It gets a bit better. 

 

I'm playing a Purple Mage m!Hawke who romanced Anders. I think a lot of the dialogue is reused across Hawkes, but I also think it's very easy to explain away a lot of the crankiness as no matter what's going on, Hawke's in a very stressful situation.

 

For my Hawke, I figure he's been on the run (again) after having finally been able to settle down and live a stable, comfortable life for quite some time, and that loss is painful. Anders is pretty much guaranteed to die before him, either from his actions in Kirkwall, from the Taint, from Justice or simply because the man is older than him (I place Anders in his early 40's at the end of Act III and Hawke in his early 30's). On top of all this, the world's falling apart and it still found a way to make it all his responsibility, and his other responsibility is a half-abomination that he tries to keep fed and clothed while it putters around the house and (hopefully) doesn't kill any Templars wandering by.

[LiquidLyrium]

Wrt what he said to the Warden Contact, I thought Hawke was saying that about himself, and less about Anders. (Because Hawke can make PLENTY of morally questionable decisions.)

 

Also, Hawke is quite aggro, but there's also a lot of really bad **** that's happening, and I wouldn't be surprised if Hawke is upset (if not feeling guilty/defensive) about

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unleashing the big bad into the world

 

IDK how blood mage Hawkes reconcile it, but for my Hawke who basically experiences triggering reactions around blood magic after Leandra, the writing was perfect for him. *shrugs* But that's just my Hawke.

I suppose there are various headcanons you could adopt:

1. Blood magic being used as a source of power and not to do bad things
2. Not being supportive of human sacrifice
3. Not being supportive of blood magic in pursuit of the end of the entire world
4. Becoming disenchanted w/Blood magic after seeing what happened to Orsino
5. Varric is a filthy liar who wanted to punch up the drama in his book OR: alternatively wanted to see what Seeker Pentaghast would actually believe straight from the source because I love Varric trolling Cass so much
6. Being supportive of blood magic only if it doesn't invovle demons (rarer, but possible in lore)
7. Self-loathing Hawke who hates they ever turned to blood magic in the first place
8. Hawke trying to downplay that they ever were a blood mage
9. Hawke being upset over what the Wardens made his father do (which seems p likely anyway given what he/she says on the matter)
10. Hawke giving up using blood magic etc

I mean if you have a Warden sibling, the whole questline takes on an extra edge for Hawke, I think so a good fraction of their hostility might be from that alone. (Or if you romanced Anders for that matter. If Hawke cares about any Wardens at all, suddenly what's going down is extra horrific regardless of their feelings on blood magic.)

 

IMO Hawke's personality really shines through later on, especially when

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you reach the Fade, oh my GOD. Purple!Hawke steals the show and never has the Inquisitor seemed paler and less alive to me.

 

Like I'm glad that Bioware at least addressed the specializations in game with DAI here but like, I think they once said that including the blood magic spec in DA2 was not at all a decision made by the writers, and the writing department had no say in the specialization trees or anything like that, so they didn't realize until it was too late they had made this weird.... not necessarily illogical choice but something that was definitely never properly addressed in game. (I guess they just let the tradition continue here)

[LordParbr]

The Keep doesn't import anything, so the game assumes that Hawke wasn't a blood mage.

[kinderschlager]

my first was a diplomatic bloodmage from DA:2...comes out as an aggressive anti-bloodmagic  person in inquisition. rather big letdown to me

[naddaya]

@Kawamura, @LiquidLyrium -  Thanks!

My Hawke romanced Isabela, didn't really like Anders and never used blood magic. She didn't have much more reason to be upset in da:i than during the blight, the qunari invasion or the mess between templar/mages. Still, it's not unreasonable for Hawke to sound tired and pissed after being on the run for months, whatever his/her personality. I'm just glad the snark will be back

[Kenshen]

I think some of you need to consider the time that has past between games and how that has affected Hawke.  He/she has plenty to be angry about since they have been in hiding since the end of DA2 and on top of that they are responsible for releasing the evil that is threatening to destroy the world.  That would certainly weigh heavy on me and I know I wouldn't be in a joking mood when talking about it.  Since I am using the default keep data I am not sure what kind of Hawke that is suppose to be but I didn't think he was that out of character.  Actually it was meeting Hawke for the first time that made me realize I messed up my keep.

[Tremere]

I think some of you need to consider the time that has past between games and how that has affected Hawke.  He/she has plenty to be angry about since they have been in hiding since the end of DA2 and on top of that they are responsible for releasing the evil that is threatening to destroy the world.  That would certainly weigh heavy on me and I know I wouldn't be in a joking mood when talking about it.  Since I am using the default keep data I am not sure what kind of Hawke that is suppose to be but I didn't think he was that out of character.  Actually it was meeting Hawke for the first time that made me realize I messed up my keep.

While you make a good point, this thread falls in line with much of what we've experienced from BioWare in the past. The result is that we end up filling in the blanks in our minds rather than having things definitively stated in game. Sure, Hawke could have experienced "this or that" during the aftermath of Kirkwall, but when there's nothing in the game to justify those notions, you're left with confusion, as we see in this thread and others like it.

Okay... I get it. It's a game and we're supposed to engage our imagination to some extent, but plot holes have a tendency to leave people with more "wtf's" than "Ahhh... So that's why!"

[LordParbr]

I think some of you need to consider the time that has past between games and how that has affected Hawke.  He/she has plenty to be angry about since they have been in hiding since the end of DA2 and on top of that they are responsible for releasing the evil that is threatening to destroy the world.  That would certainly weigh heavy on me and I know I wouldn't be in a joking mood when talking about it.  Since I am using the default keep data I am not sure what kind of Hawke that is suppose to be but I didn't think he was that out of character.  Actually it was meeting Hawke for the first time that made me realize I messed up my keep.

Yeah, also, given how Hawke reacts to a lot of things in the game, like leaving their LI behind, and just being generally cranky, I have a feeling that Hawke had fully expected to

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sacrifice themself

at some point. That's why they jump at the opportunity to do it in the fade, even though it makes more sense for

Spoiler

Stroud

to do it, since

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Wardens are living on borrowed time anyway.

[LordParbr]

While you make a good point, this thread falls in line with much of what we've experienced from BioWare in the past. The result is that we end up filling in the blanks in our minds rather than having things definitively stated in game. Sure, Hawke could have experienced "this or that" during the aftermath of Kirkwall, but when there's nothing in the game to justify those notions, you're left with confusion, as we see in this thread and others like it.

Okay... I get it. It's a game and we're supposed to engage our imagination to some extent, but plot holes have a tendency to leave people with more "wtf's" than "Ahhh... So that's why!"

It isn't a plothole. The devs shouldn't have to spell it all out for us.

[Tremere]

It isn't a plothole. The devs shouldn't have to spell it all out for us.

Well, I'm pretty sure my last sentence at least implied that "devs shouldn't have to spell it all out for us." Having said that, if the option is there to set the game world in a certain way and address certain decisions a character made, I think it's fair to call it a "plot hole" when said character acts in a way that's contrary to the information given about them and there's no explanation for why.

For example: Blood Mage Hawke decrying Blood Magic. Okay, maybe he had a crisis of conscience or cast a bad spell... The point is, we don't know why he/she's speaking against a practice they once embraced. What would you call that?

[Dracorya]

My Diplomatic Hawke still acted the same way.  I kept talking to my screen, calling her a hypocrite, every time she opened her mouth.  

 

But the thing that irritated me more was that even though I flagged her as a rogue, she was a fighter in DA:I (even checked my World State in the Keep and she's still flagged as a rogue there).  It irritated me so much that I almost sacrificed her.  The only thing that saved her was that my main man, "Mustache Stroud," was the Red Shirt Grey Warden, not Alistair.

Fortunately my Hawke was okay...but yeah, I felt she was acting to aggressively when I had rolled a diplomatic Hawke. I could feel a scowl forming on my face when she starting lambasting Alistair over the situations with the Wardens.

 

Weird thing for me though was that my Warden was tagged as an Elf when I clearly marked her in the Keep as a human. Made me deflate a little bit when I got the letter and it was signed as "Surana" and not Amell.

[Kaibe]

I had this same problem. Also, that my Hawke was a rogue and rogue but the appeared as a warrior. I checked the Keep and it says Hawke was a rogue.

[LordParbr]

Well, I'm pretty sure my last sentence at least implied that "devs shouldn't have to spell it all out for us." Having said that, if the option is there to set the game world in a certain way and address certain decisions a character made, I think it's fair to call it a "plot hole" when said character acts in a way that's contrary to the information given about them and there's no explanation for why.

For example: Blood Mage Hawke decrying Blood Magic. Okay, maybe he had a crisis of conscience or cast a bad spell... The point is, we don't know why he/she's speaking against a practice they once embraced. What would you call that?

Certainly not a plothole. I would call it a retcon

[Tremere]

Certainly not a plothole. I would call it a retcon

*shrugs* Okay... Go with that. That's sort of like putting a spoiler tag on my comment huh?

[Sjofn]

My Hawke felt like she was clearly Sarcastic Hawke, but a sarcastic Hawke that had seen some ****. Which she had. So it worked very well for me.

[LordParbr]

*shrugs* Okay... Go with that. That's sort of like putting a spoiler tag on my comment huh?

I meant to bold it. Dunno how I accidentally spoiler-tagged it...

[Rizaun]

Mine was supposed to be humorous but he seemed pissed off all the time.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Huh, my sarcastic Hawke started off pissed for some reason, but later into the 'Here Lies the Abyss' quest, he seems to have gotten his sarcasm back. Weird.

[Tremere]

I meant to bold it. Dunno how I accidentally spoiler-tagged it...

*chuckles* Fair enough. Be well!

[MightyZan]

My Hawke had just been hanging around Fenris too long.  I love that broody elf, but all I could think while listening to her was "Wow, that sounds like something Fenris would say".

 

It helped it all make sense in my head.

[kalasaurus]

My Hawke had just been hanging around Fenris too long.  I love that broody elf, but all I could think while listening to her was "Wow, that sounds like something Fenris would say".

 

It helped it all make sense in my head.

 

Heh, I felt the same way about my Hawke who romanced Anders and ran off with him.

 

My (rogue/Diplomatic) Hawke didn't really care one way or another about blood magic in DA2- helped Merrill with the Eluvian on the friendship path, accepted Gaspard's help to find her mom, etc etc, and understood why some would use it.  I just imagined that Anders really influenced her by DA: I  .

[N7KnightSabre]

My Diplomatic Hawke seemed so depressed and tired.  

[BubbleDncr]

My humorous Hawke who romanced Anders acted the way I expected her to act, for the most part. There were only 2 things that really bugged me.

 

1) My Hawke was definitely a blood mage. Yes, there was nowhere in the Keep to set that, so it's not surprising that it doesn't recognize that, but it was very odd to hear her condemn blood magic so much. I guess maybe she's just overcompensating to keep people from realizing she does that?

 

2) Her friendship with the Grey Wardens. I guess it would make more sense for a Hawke whose sibling became a Grey Warden...but she hardly interacted with them in DA2, and she's dating a fugitive Grey Warden! I would have thought she would avoid them.

[Sylentmana]

My sarcastic Hawke still seemed pretty sarcastic, but she also seem really tired and so sad that it nearly broke my heart to hear her speak of Anders with whom she was is love, but executed after he blew up the chantry.  I just wanted to give her a hug and tell her everything would be ok.