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[Kenshen]

Chas1024 wrote...

...that Cullen was in love with you (Female mage origin) when he chose him as executioner for your harrowing? It seems to be common gossip among your fellow apprentices so could easily have gotten back to him. If so was it a test or to harden him or just Greagoir being mean.

Interesting.  I can't speak for Cullen or Greagoir but my female elf mage had no clue he was into me.  So does this mean that a female mage can seduce Cullen?  Also does it change how he deals with you at the end of Broken Circle?

[Chas1024]

You can't seduce him but you can flirt with him so he gets all embarrassed and runs off. Not sure how it affects the Broken Circle ending as my female mage hasn't gotten that far yet.

[Addai]

aryon69 wrote...

Interesting.  I can't speak for Cullen or Greagoir but my female elf mage had no clue he was into me.  So does this mean that a female mage can seduce Cullen?  Also does it change how he deals with you at the end of Broken Circle?

I take it you didn't talk to him after your Harrowing.  He could be easy to miss, standing in a corridor.  You can't seduce him- poor lad runs away if you try.  You basically get one conversation with him then he has stock lines until Broken Circle when he confesses that he had an infatuation for your character.  This is when you encounter him in Uldred's magical prison thingie.  He thinks you're a vision sent to torment him.  That's pretty much it.

[Xandurpein]

Mary Kirby, one of the writers, wrote when asked about a possible Cullen romance something like "Any 'romance' with Cullen would be short, violent and just so he could get it out of his system", That's not my personal opinion, that's words from those who wrote the game, make of it what you want...

Modifié par Xandurpein, 25 janvier 2010 - 10:56 .

[draxynnus]

Regarding knowledge: If you talk to Irving after Jowan, Irving comments that he knows pretty much everything that goes on in the tower. In that particular interaction, I believe it's Irving dropping a hint that he knows what Jowan and Lily are up to, but it still suggests that the tower's leadership does know about other things that are going on too.

[Addai]

Sialater wrote...

Uh, Cullen volunteered. Greagoir didn't make him. And if you talk to him a bit longer, he implies it was because he was sure he could be more merciful than another Templar.

I ran the conversation again tonight and Cullen says "They picked me to be the one to strike the killing blow..."  That's after the Harrowing, when he's standing in the hallway.  So, doesn't sound to me like he volunteered, rather that he was chosen by Greagoir.  When does he say the bit about being more merciful?

[Addai]

draxynnus wrote...

Regarding knowledge: If you talk to Irving after Jowan, Irving comments that he knows pretty much everything that goes on in the tower. In that particular interaction, I believe it's Irving dropping a hint that he knows what Jowan and Lily are up to, but it still suggests that the tower's leadership does know about other things that are going on too.

Irving does know about Jowan and Lily having a relationship.  He says so if you ask him whether Jowan will be made a tranquil.

Modifié par Addai67, 26 janvier 2010 - 03:50 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

People can change..or be changed.



I doubt Cullen fangirls will give up that easily...

[devilsgrin]

I think Cullen is Wynne's son...

She does mention to Alistair how she hopes her son turned out like him. And Cullen, on the surface at least, has a lot in common with Alistair.

[Truby-Liz]

Just redid the convo with him a few times. He definately says he was chosen to execute the FM "Th-they picked me as the templar to strike the killing blow if... if you became an abomination."

Although, reading through this thread, I agree with Xandurpein in that it's more likely to be infatuation. One line makes me think he doesn't really know the FM very well -

FM: I knew I would not fail my Harrowing
Cullen: You've always been so confident... or so I hear.

If he doesn't know the FM very well, it's hardly likely he's in love with her. Could easily just have been that he had a small crush, one of the apprentices noticed it, told a few friends and the rumour grew until it was full-on love. Maybe he ran away because he didn't want the FM to think it was anything more than just a crush? Or maybe it was more and he's scared of his own feelings...

@ Addai67, I also don't find him creepy at all. I imagine he could be, and I think I see where others are coming from. Also, yeah, I did notice the Cullen/Alistair similarities. My current playthrough - female elf mage - is currently going out with Alistair because of that. She hasn't gone back to the Circle tower yet, maybe seeing Cullen there will influence her views on Templars and therefore on Ali too? (Gives me an excuse to ditch Ali and send her after Zevran  )

Also if you flirt with him and he runs off, does anyone know if you can find him in the Tower again before you leave to be recruited?

Truby-Liz

[Chas1024]

Truby-Liz wrote...
Also if you flirt with him and he runs off, does anyone know if you can find him in the Tower again before you leave to be recruited?

Truby-Liz

No, I've looked. Unless he's hiding in the storage tunnels, didn't bother looking there.

[Addai]

Truby-Liz wrote...
If he doesn't know the FM very well, it's hardly likely he's in love with her. Could easily just have been that he had a small crush, one of the apprentices noticed it, told a few friends and the rumour grew until it was full-on love. Maybe he ran away because he didn't want the FM to think it was anything more than just a crush? Or maybe it was more and he's scared of his own feelings...

@ Addai67, I also don't find him creepy at all. I imagine he could be, and I think I see where others are coming from. Also, yeah, I did notice the Cullen/Alistair similarities. My current playthrough - female elf mage - is currently going out with Alistair because of that. She hasn't gone back to the Circle tower yet, maybe seeing Cullen there will influence her views on Templars and therefore on Ali too? (Gives me an excuse to ditch Ali and send her after Zevran  )

Well, I don't want to spoiler you too much if you haven't done Broken Circle yet, but you'll meet Cullen again there and it will be apparent that his infatuation with your character was no small crush.  Although I certainly agree, he doesn't know you very well and my read on it all is that he really doesn't see you as a person.  It's why I find it all pretty sad.  My mage characters are all screwed up when it comes to relationships.  Havoc with Alistair and Zevran ensues...

Modifié par Addai67, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:08 .

[Addai]

devilsgrin wrote...

I think Cullen is Wynne's son...
She does mention to Alistair how she hopes her son turned out like him. And Cullen, on the surface at least, has a lot in common with Alistair.

This crossed my mind though I doubt the Chantry would place Wynne's son in proximity to her.  Then again, it might be just the sort of screwed-up thing they would do.

[Chas1024]

In a new play through I just started I happened to choose the preset with Irving's nose for my mage character. So I am playing him as Irving's love child. So could Wynne be my mother?

[Sialater]

Addai67 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Uh, Cullen volunteered. Greagoir didn't make him. And if you talk to him a bit longer, he implies it was because he was sure he could be more merciful than another Templar.

I ran the conversation again tonight and Cullen says "They picked me to be the one to strike the killing blow..."  That's after the Harrowing, when he's standing in the hallway.  So, doesn't sound to me like he volunteered, rather that he was chosen by Greagoir.  When does he say the bit about being more merciful?

Ah, I thought I remembered him volunteering.  Oh, look!  An excuse to play a mage again!

[Riona45]

Chas1024 wrote...

If Cullen is as deeply creepy as some of you suggest then I guess being co-opted by the grey wardens was even more of a lucky escape.

I didn't find Cullen to be "deeply creepy" at all.  Having a crush on someone is pretty normal.

[Riona45]

Truby-Liz wrote...

Although, reading through this thread, I agree with Xandurpein in that it's more likely to be infatuation. One line makes me think he doesn't really know the FM very well -

FM: I knew I would not fail my Harrowing
Cullen: You've always been so confident... or so I hear.

I read that as Cullen trying to make it sound like it's just a casual conversation and everything is normal ("you're just another mage here"), and that he doesn't think about you all the time.  It's obviously hard for him because he comes off as a stuttering mess.

It was painfully obvious to me that he was into my character (whether or not you can label it as LOVE is a whole different kettle of fish)--in the room you wake up in you can even here two fellow apprentices talking about it.

Modifié par Riona45, 27 janvier 2010 - 04:27 .

[Truby-Liz]

Nawwh I wasn't really expecting to, though it would have been nice to have more than 2 convos with him in the whole game. Still...

@devilsgrin, that would be a good twist, albeit a little cliche. Do mages children have magic? *wonders*

@Addai67, I've changed my mind, I shall now go and do the Broken Circle quest. Eamon will survive without the ashes for a little while   I shall post again with my reactions when I've finished.

@Riona45, I didn't think of it that way... It seems now as if he's trying to put a distance between them. Like he knows she's unattainable and so doesn't even want to try... or something...

Truby-Liz

[Riona45]

Truby-Liz wrote...


@Riona45, I didn't think of it that way... It seems now as if he's trying to put a distance between them. Like he knows she's unattainable and so doesn't even want to try... or something...

When you have a crush on someone, it is very often unattainable and would result in bad consequences if you let the secret out.  My interpretation is that he doesn't necessarily *want* to have a crush on the PC but of course, he can't help himself (feelings like love aren't always controllable).  He does, however, tell her to come and talk to him anytime she likes (that is if she doesn't come on to him too hard and cause him leave).

[Sialater]

Riona45 wrote...

Truby-Liz wrote...


@Riona45, I didn't think of it that way... It seems now as if he's trying to put a distance between them. Like he knows she's unattainable and so doesn't even want to try... or something...

When you have a crush on someone, it is very often unattainable and would result in bad consequences if you let the secret out.  My interpretation is that he doesn't necessarily *want* to have a crush on the PC but of course, he can't help himself (feelings like love aren't always controllable).  He does, however, tell her to come and talk to him anytime she likes (that is if she doesn't come on to him too hard and cause him leave).

Oh, but that part's fun! 

[DJ0000]

Cullen, Wynne's son,,,,Intrigueing

[devilsgrin]

it would make perverse BioWare-Ferelden sense if Cullen was indeed Wynne's son, with neither knowing who the other was, since Wynne would almost certainly have had to give the child to the chantry...

[Bagheeris]

devilsgrin wrote...

it would make perverse BioWare-Ferelden sense if Cullen was indeed Wynne's son, with neither knowing who the other was, since Wynne would almost certainly have had to give the child to the chantry...

Not almost, but certainly   All mage children belong to the Chantry, i think it's somewehre in the codex or maybe in Wynne's convo.

In my latest playthrough i sided with Templars and Cullen eventually became knight-commander after Greagoir had stepped down. The epilogue said something about Cullen being much more strict towrds the Circle than his predecessor.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

i don't think Cullen's feelings towards the mage count as infatuation or a "crush". I think obsession seems to describe it better, and a rather guilt ridden dark obsession to boot. Given the background of the Circle and relationship between Templars and Mages, and what I gather from other templars in the game, it was not a normal, youthful "crush".



From conversations between Wynne and a city elf, and other convos with Wynne from other origins, the templars generally are not very kind towards apostate mages when they are caught. Given their power and position over mages, It wouldn't take much imagination to figure that sexual and/or emotional abuse of mages in the Circle might happen alot more than you think.



Cullen's obsession with a female mage might be more along the lines of possesiveness mixed in with weird religous ideology and a brain being tampered with by lyrium.