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[Heimdall]

Okay, so I made a previous thread like this, but I messed it up. I only included the "Games Played" question later and so the results were skewed. So I decided I would wait until DAI was out and create a new version of the thread so that I could hopefully get more accurate poll results. This is it, now with Corypheus as an option.

Ultimately the point is to get an idea of what works and what doesn't as a villain, at least among Bioware fans

So... here's my choice and reasoning.
Sun Li, the Glorious Strategist (Jade Empire)
Master Li didn't have a terribly sympathetic goal, nor did he wow us with an intimidating appearance off the bat. No, he strung us along, and I at least didn't see the reveal coming at all

Sun Li - Your abilities have grown immensely. But it also does my heart good to see that you have remembered the basics of what I taught you...

Spoiler

Even the flaws!

He was a competent villain too. His plan actually worked brilliantly, to the point were he got everything he wanted and it took divine intervention to resurrect the protagonist to stand against him. But perhaps more important than any of that, with Sun Li Bioware created a personal relationship between the protagonist and the villain they have yet to match. Sun Li wasn't just something to fight against, he was the Spirit Monk's teacher and adopted father, the man who taught us how to fight. And then it all came down to the two of them.

Sun Li - No great waves of energy, no demons from the walls. Skill versus skill. Master versus student.

And good lord those feels when I finally defeated him. He's on the verge of death, but he doesn't swear vengeance, he doesn't bemoan his fate or curse us. Instead, he smiles, and a note of pride enters his voice:

Sun Li - It seems I was a better teacher... than I thought.

So yeah, that's what I think Bioware should bear in mind going forward, a personal antagonist.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I would pick NWN if you had put Mephistopheles.

 

I've played Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn for two hours. So I also selected it in the games I've played!

[Heimdall]

Poll disappeared for some reason, up again.

[Taleroth]

Sarevok in BG was dull. But Sarevok in ToB was great. I feel like I'm cheating by voting that way.

[frustratemyself]

Saren.

[Voxr]

Saren. Only for nostalgic reasons though. I wish he would have stuck around longer. I think he could have been cool in ME2 maybe assisting or "leading" the Collectors. But he still is my favorite so far.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Saren has the most votes? Saren is just meh.

 

Irenicus, Arishok and Loghain are my favorite bioware antagonist. Irenicus especially because of David Warner's superb voice acting.

[Seraphim24]

Saren has the most votes? Saren is just meh.

 

Irenicus, Arishok and Loghain are my favorite bioware antagonist. Irenicus especially because of David Warner's superb voice acting.

 

Disagree on Arishok but otherwise Irenicus and Loghain I'd take above a lot of antagonists. I still listen to those bits of dialogue sometimes.

 

You BORE me mageling!

 

I went with Melissan but I was tempted by Irenicus.

[TheRealJayDee]

Now I (kind of) know who the villain in DA:I is... 

[Mr.House]

Irenicus, SUn Li, Loghain, Arishok and Cory are my fav so far.

[Nessaya]

It was a toss-up between Irenicus and Loghain for me, finally went with Irenicus.

 

And even though I dunno if she can be classified as a 'classic' antagonist I would have liked to see Kreia on the list aswell, imo one of the best characters in gaming history ever.

[Mr.House]

Irenicus

Sun Li

Loghain

Arishok

TIM Pre-ME3

 

Haven't seen too much of Cory yet to decide.

10/10

 

would bang.

[Nessaya]

Though I agree, she's not BioWare's. She's Obsidian's.

 

You are absolutely right, bad me! xD

[Mr.House]

How far are you in DAI, last time we talked on steam you just started Hawkes questline.

[King Dragonlord]

I agree on Kreia too. I think because obsidian and bioware swim in the same pool, I get them mixed up and hadn't realized that while Bioware is good their villains are mostly middling but I think that's because of the structure they like to use of an external threat intermingled with a political struggle. That make the situations really good but the villains themselves don't end up standing our quite as much for how compelling they are as villains. They're either over the top monsters or borderline sympathetic antiheroes.

Like others here, I would have voted TIM if he hadn't gone off the rails in me3. Camper of Errant Signal had a good fix. His ending rant should have been along the lines of "look at how long they all doubted, how long they failed to acknowledge the truth. Look at how you were punished for making the right decisions. Look at how it was like pulling teeth to get them to help even after we saved their sorry butts. I have taken action, I believed in you and together we accomplished so much. Why are we fighting each other when we can work together to make the galaxy what it should be? I have the power and you have the will"

But I gave it to loghain. Meredith, the airshok and irenicus were all contenders though. But while I really looked forward to killing them all, they used that to best effect with loghain, calling on the player to put aside his grudge for the greater good, and contrasting that decision with Alistair's failure to let go (which parallels logains own tragic flaw.)

[Heimdall]

Wow, Saren's edged ahead of Loghain, that never happened in the old thread.

Sun LI still holds his rightful place though

[Zeroth Angel]

I voted for Loghain. 

 

I played every BW except Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire and BG 1.