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[Heimdall]

Eh, it's an interesting question. I might get around to it someday

[NeitherNor]

Saren, because of how easy it is to see why his reasoning makes sense to him. Arguing with Saren often felt like 'Yes, but' rather than the more common 'Definitely not' that tends to happen when the hero comes face to face with the antagonist. I also really liked the twist as to who the main villain is in Jade Empire, that was nicely handled.

[Big Magnet]

Loghain, specially after you read his life story 

[dongsaeng]

The Illusive Man was an interesting villain. I voted for him.

[LostInReverie19]

Sun Li is their greatest villain of all time, no doubt about it, and I agree wholeheartedly with all the reasons you put forth in your OP explaining why. We grew to admire Sun Li. He was our mentor. When I found out he was the villain, it was like a punch in the gut. No other game has made me feel that way about the antagonist. And learning that Sun Li set us up to fail from the very beginning by teaching his protege to fight with a flaw so that he could later exploit it...Just so wickedly evil and yet brilliant at the same time.

 

Jade Empire is a highly underrated game. DA:O is my favorite BioWare game, but Jade Empire is probably second, followed by ME2. 

 

I've played every BioWare game except Baldur's Gate II and Neverwinter Nights. 

[Johnnie Walker]

BioWare's best antagonist?

 

The anti BioWare drones.

[Reedirector]

Of the villains I'm familiar with, it has to be Saren. 

 

In the words of Hawke: "He's not a demon. Just a very troubled man."

 

Loghain was vindictive and arrogant. Saren... had such a human personality. Which is ironic I suppose, given his massive racism

[mopotter]

Sun Li is their greatest villain of all time, no doubt about it, and I agree wholeheartedly with all the reasons you put forth in your OP explaining why. We grew to admire Sun Li. He was our mentor. When I found out he was the villain, it was like a punch in the gut. No other game has made me feel that way about the antagonist. And learning that Sun Li set us up to fail from the very beginning by teaching his protege to fight with a flaw so that he could later exploit it...Just so wickedly evil and yet brilliant at the same time.

 

Jade Empire is a highly underrated game. DA:O is my favorite BioWare game, but Jade Empire is probably second, followed by ME2. 

 

I've played every BioWare game except Baldur's Gate II and Neverwinter Nights. 

 

I've played all the games listed, more than once.  While my favorte game is KOTOR, Jade Empire is 2nd on my list and my favorite villain is Sun Li, for all the reasons OP and you stated.  Anyone who hasn't played it, should check it out.  .  

[KotorEffect3]

Direct Intervention is necessary.

[Heimdall]

Direct Intervention is necessary.

A bit curious, and anyone that voted for Harbinger can answer than this too, but what other games have you played?

[B.Shep]

Damn, i wanted to vote for a lot of villians.

[Lucifer_AntiHero]

I never felt as much joy in a Bioware game defeating a bad guy than Skavak in the Starwars the old republic MMO Smuggler Chapter 1.

[AlexiaRevan]

I voted Irenicus . Because I played BG2 SOA before going back and play BG1 . While Sarevok was Good , Irenicus was better as a Vilain . And you couldn't redeem him at all . 

 

Btw....One is missing , I would Vote also for Bhodie cose she was Awesome as a 2nd Vilain in the Game . 

[Korva]

I have to go with Sun Li, too. He was smart, successful, driven and deceptive in a way that gave him by far the most personal relationship with the protagonist. Aside from that, his appearances over the course of the main plot were very well done -- enough to establish the two "faces" of the character as well as the phases of the conflict, but not so many that he lost his "punch". Most villains just don't have his presence or his spotlight time, which keeps them bland. I also have to give his writers props for never stupidly incapacitating the protagonist just to make Sun Li look good, while the same can't be said for other villains. Meaning, the writers never took control away from me and made my character stand around drooling and with one thumb in her mouth and the other up her arse just so the big bad could rant and rave and wreck stuff and get away while I as the player was supposed to sit and watch in awe instead of being allowed to do anything. Irenicus was a prime example of that sort of BS "look at how cool my villain is!!!" writing, and it was one reason why I never liked that one. They did it with Malak on the Leviathan, too. Ugh.

 

Meanwhile, Sun Li didn't faff around wearing Plot Armor and wielding the power of Making the Player Look Dumb. He just killed you. Bam, just like that! Awesome, and a huge shock moment both because he was supposed to be a good guy, and because the protagonist doesn't usually die, especially mid-story. No other villain came remotely close to making me want his blood so much, yet at the same time his dying words were almost sad ... and once again drove home how personal that conflict was.

 

Bioware's two generally popular villains Irenicus and Loghain did less than nothing for me. Neither was impressive, interesting, relatable or otherwise engaging in any way, they mainly just annoyed me. Sun Li was great, and one reason why I regret Jade Empire was not as popular as other games. It was quite different in some ways, mechanically, but I enjoyed it a lot (minus the invisible walls in combat, grr).

[Barry-Allen]

Lel wurs my boi Kai Leng...

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

E-Ro

[TheJediSaint]

Me.

[Lunch Box1912]

Saren definitely. Where else do you get dialogue gems like this?

 

Shepard: Why are you doing this?

Saren: You’ve seen the visions from the beacon, Shepard. You, of all people, should understand what the reapers are capable of. They cannot be stopped. Do not mire yourself in pointless revolt. Do not sacrifice everything for the sake of petty freedoms. The protheans tried to fight and they were utterly destroyed. Trillions dead. But what if they had bowed before the invaders? Would the protheans still exist? Is submission not preferable to extinction?”

Shepard: Do you really believe the reapers will let us live?

Saren: Now you know why I never came forward with this to the Council. We organics are driven by emotion instead of logic. We fight even when we know we cannot win. But if we work with the Reapers… if we make ourselves useful... think how many lives could be spared! Once I understood this, I joined Sovereign, though I was aware of the… dangers. I had hoped this facility could protect me

Shepard: Your afraid Sovereign is influencing you. Your afraid he’s controlling your thoughts.

Saren: I’ve Studied the effects of indoctrination. The more control Sovereign exerts, the less capable the subject becomes. That is my saving grace. Sovereign needs me to find the Conduit. My mind is still my own… for now. But the transformation from ally to servant can be subtle. I will not let it happen to me.

Shepard: Sovereign’s manipulating you and you don’t even know it! You’re already under its power!

Saren: No! Sovereign needs me. If I find the Conduit, I’ve been promised a reprieve from the inevitable. This is my only hope.

Shepard: Together we can stop Sovereign. We don’t have to submit to the Reapers. We can beat them!

Saren Arterius: I no longer believe that Shepard. The visions cannot be denied. The Reapers are too powerful. The only hope of survival is to join with them. Sovereign is a machine. It thinks like a machine. If I can prove my value, I become a resource, worth maintaining. There is no other logical conclusion.

Shepard: You were a Spectre. You swore to protect the galaxy. Then you broke that vow to save yourself.

Saren: I’m not doing this for myself. Don’t you see, Sovereign will succeed. It is inevitable. My way is the only way any of us will survive. I’m forging an alliance between us and the Reapers, between organics and machines, and in doing so, I will save more lives than have ever existed. But you would undo my work. You would doom our entire civilization to complete annihilation, and for that, you must die.  

[Carmen_Willow]

I actually thought the Illusive Man was the best. He always managed to be just one step ahead of Shepard throughout the game, he was a tragic villain in that he started out with decent goals and ran amok, his own hubris in thinking he could manage the Reaper tech upgrades was his downfall. Excellent writing, humanized the struggle in ME3..

[Melra]

Saren, that fellah was something awesome.

[mickey111]

I've experienced them all, and only bothered to remember a few of them. Mostly they were very one note, just one dream, one personality, one vision. Saren was one of the few exceptions, not that it changed anything at all about the game or his actions. Loghain was another; he could be talked out of his hate for Orlais. So either him or Sun Li, for the same reasons only he were the one attempting to convince the player with the alternate ending.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I've romanced them all, and only bothered to remember a few of them.

 

 

[Olivia Wilde]

What about Marauder Shields?