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Some technical problems are the fault of the player, some technical problems are simply an almost inevitable consequence of the flexibility of the platform.

But most games do not have this amount of problems, which suggests that Bioware are at least somewhat at fault.

 

I never said it's entirely the player's fault. I'm not letting BioWare off the hook that easily :P


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OP you could not be more wrong; it is laughable.  I do not own a console or want to invest the money into getting one.

 

I was able to play Origins and DA2 on my PC with 0 technical problems.  I am now on an upgraded PC that meets all the requirements and I am having a lot of technical problems for DAI.  Why should I have to go out and buy an expensive console just to continue playing the Dragon Age series?

 

Ghostzodd is right, I paid $60 and expect to have the same experience I had with the first 2 titles.

 

Wrong.....try again.

 

Please list your plethora of technical (not design / inconvenience) problems that have not been solved by driver updates, removal of unnecessary/conflicting programs, and proper installation.

 

Personally I find your attitude hilarious, especially since I wasn't even being remotely offensive.

 

First of all Dragon Age Inquisition is not DAO nor DA2. Second of all those games did have their own set of problems. Just cause you didn't experience them, doesn't mean they didn't exist.

Now that you are experiencing issues (shocking I know!!!), you want to start blaming the company completely rather than figure out why your computer isn't running it the way it should be. 

Pay all the money you want. It doesn't justify the "entitled brat" attitude.



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I rarely post threads but I feel this needs to be reiterated.

 

Consoles do not have many problems because each console has only one kind of software. PCs come in so many shapes and sizes that it is literally impossible to predict all the issues that may arise. Inconsistent feedback regarding PC stability demonstrates this.

 

People who don't want to regularly maintain their PCs should not complain when they have issues with new software. There is almost always an additional layer of work PC players must do to make sure new software is 100% compatible with their computers. Considering that DAI is a game which literally uses the entire machine, there is bound to be something that can be improved.

 

So while you are right that not everyone is capable of doing taking care of their PCs, it's much more sensible for those who do not want to spend time tinkering with their computers to just play on consoles. 

 

It's as simple as that. PCs are a responsibility, not a miracle one size fits all.

So as much as it sucks to have issues, you are not 100% blameless in this. That is all.

 

 

 

People need to adjust their setting and learn to not be afraid to adjust their settings.     Also...people need to get more RAM.  

The more ram the better your game will run.  I've had far less crashes because I have 16 gigs of ram.

 

If people are running programs minimized they need to shut them off. 

 

It took some doing but I'm now averaging 30-35 fps. I know when I update my videocard the performance will improve but right now I'm happy.

 

Also...people should have never expected this game to be a return to Origins style combat or DA2. It takes some getting used to but now I know how to use the controls and its fun!!


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What I would like to see are more accurate system requirements. Like having the PC's Bioware actually used / are using, and in full detail. The text tables today are garbage and doesn't  tell you squat. Or have a graph table of each graphical setting and what each component fits into.


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I didn't claim that you said pc players shouldn't give feedback, I was merely pointing out why you might hear more from "us". I am saying you don't hear about as many problems from console players because they already on forums TROUBLESHOOTING.

 

I suggest you check around youtube and watch someone like TotalBiscuit have problems with massive framerate drops, He has 4 980s in his machine and its always up to date. 

 

The problem is this, when you state an opinion in an authoritative way, like saying you need to "reiterate" and "why pcs have more problems and "as much as it sucks to have issues, you are not 100% blameless"...You aren't simply stating or reiterating are you? Those are loaded things to say to a community that spends a LOT of time upgrading, downloading drivers and troubleshooting, all the more reason PC players tend to get more vocal about problems, because on our end, we are doing a lot of work. In fact, some would go so far as to call it maintenance.

 

I have a 660 and an 8320 with 8gb of 2133 ram, a 750 watt power supply and decent cpu cooler, my rig fits what biowares recommended pc settings were. In fact, I cleaned out the entire machine part by part the week before it came out, and I installed on an SSD drive. So you tell me, why do I have virtually the same problems as most other PC users who may or may not maintain their PC as well or better than I do?


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I see we've already forgotten about the ps3 version of skyrim.  Now there's issues  :lol:


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What I would like to see are more accurate system requirements. Like having the PC's Bioware actually used / are using, and in full detail. The text tables today are garbage and doesn't  tell you squat. Or have a graph table of each graphical setting and what each component fits into.

You could just ask other forum users what specs they have and sliders they set.

 


I didn't claim that you said pc players shouldn't give feedback, I was merely pointing out why you might hear more from "us". I am saying you don't hear about as many problems from console players because they already on forums TROUBLESHOOTING.
 
I suggest you check around youtube and watch someone like TotalBiscuit have problems with massive framerate drops, He has 4 980s in his machine and its always up to date.
 
The problem is this, when you state an opinion in an authoritative way, like saying you need to "reiterate" and "why pcs have more problems and "as much as it sucks to have issues, you are not 100% blameless"...You aren't simply stating or reiterating are you? Those are loaded things to say to a community that spends a LOT of time upgrading, downloading drivers and troubleshooting, all the more reason PC players tend to get more vocal about problems, because on our end, we are doing a lot of work. In fact, some would go so far as to call it maintenance.
 
I have a 660 and an 8320 with 8gb of 2133 ram, a 750 watt power supply and decent cpu cooler, my rig fits what biowares recommended pc settings were. In fact, I cleaned out the entire machine part by part the week before it came out, and I installed on an SSD drive. So you tell me, why do I have virtually the same problems as most other PC users who may or may not maintain their PC as well or better than I do?

 

Good drivers also help which (I dont know about AMD)  NVIDIA have not provided yet.



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Plus it's now an accepted norm that companies can rush products out the door and patch later. This is viable now that consoles are online just like PCs.


A new norm is rushing an alpha or beta out of the door, calling it "early access" and charging people extra money.

It is brilliant!!
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I didn't claim that you said pc players shouldn't give feedback, I was merely pointing out why you might hear more from "us". I am saying you don't hear about as many problems from console players because they already on forums TROUBLESHOOTING.

 

I suggest you check around youtube and watch someone like TotalBiscuit have problems with massive framerate drops, He has 4 980s in his machine and its always up to date. 

 

The problem is this, when you state an opinion in an authoritative way, like saying you need to "reiterate" and "why pcs have more problems and "as much as it sucks to have issues, you are not 100% blameless"...You aren't simply stating or reiterating are you? Those are loaded things to say to a community that spends a LOT of time upgrading, downloading drivers and troubleshooting, all the more reason PC players tend to get more vocal about problems, because on our end, we are doing a lot of work. In fact, some would go so far as to call it maintenance.

 

I have a 660 and an 8320 with 8gb of 2133 ram, a 750 watt power supply and decent cpu cooler, my rig fits what biowares recommended pc settings were. In fact, I cleaned out the entire machine part by part the week before it came out, and I installed on an SSD drive. So you tell me, why do I have virtually the same problems as most other PC users who may or may not maintain their PC as well or better than I do?

Despite all the maintenance you have done there may always be something on your end that is causing issues.

 

It may be software...it may be hardware... but you cannot completely rule out the possibility that you may have missed something. One person one the forums could not figure out why he kept crashing, like many people who did not update the drivers, until he disabled MSI Afterburner.

Another kept on crashing til he realized that his motherboard was cracked...etc...

 

Similar symptoms do not imply the exact same source of the problem. That's where PC mutability becomes at fault.

 

Now I'm also not saying that BioWare is completely blameless in this either. However certain issues, again due to PC mutability, may have slipped through the cracks. At that point, the users are fully justified in asking for the problem to be repaired, which I am sure BioWare is working on as we speak.

 

I hope you figure out what's causing your problems with DAI, and I also hope BioWare releases an update that may also potentially fix your issues.


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Buy a console?  That's the advice?   PC complaints are primarily that the game is limited in design to console functionality...  that is the complaint.   Buying a console hardly fixes that issue.

 

If we were happy with console level functionality, there would be no complaints.  

 

In all honestly, the game runs beautifully on my PC.   Its just the lack of an advance UI that could make the game 10 times better.  


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MSI afterburner is awful for stability.  :(



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Buy a console?  That's the advice?   PC complaints are primarily that the game is limited in design to console functionality...  that is the complaint.   Buying a console hardly fixes that issue.

 

If we were happy with console level functionality, there would be no complaints.  

 

In all honestly, the game runs beautifully on my PC.   Its just the lack of an advance UI that could make the game 10 times better.  

 

>.>

 

This thread isn't about BioWare's design issues :P. I suggesting playing on a console if you have problems with your PC that you do not wish to at last attempt to resolve. It wasn't even the point of the thread lol

 

Considering the number of complaints regarding the UI and tactical camera, I expect BioWare to at least do something about it :)



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Actually, it's just a fuckup by Bioware...

 

Battlefield 4 at least RUNS(and runs fine at 60fps 1080p ultra settings) with a certain dualcore CPU.

 

This game...no so much.

 

PC gets more powerful hardware even when spending same amount of money as console potatoes.

Why should players who care about their game more(spend more money or more effort to build a PC for best gaming experience) have to suffer?

 

The kind of bullshit such as game not able to even get to main menu is expected of UBISOFT.

Not Bioware.

 

Stop trying to do damage control.


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Think there's a lot of novice pc users that bought the pc version honestly.  

 

Seems there's an issue with some lower level cards.  Some issue with some sli/xfire setups.  OCed gpus are more unstable than normal ones.

 

Normal stuff really.



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Actually, it's just a fuckup by Bioware...

 

Battlefield 4 at least RUNS(and runs fine at 60fps 1080p ultra settings) with a certain dualcore CPU.

 

This game...no so much.

 

PC gets more powerful hardware even when spending same amount of money as console potatoes.

Why should players who care about their game more(spend more money or more effort to build a PC for best gaming experience) have to suffer?

 

The kind of bullshit such as game not able to even get to main menu is expected of UBISOFT.

Not Bioware.

 

Stop trying to do damage control.

 

Dragon Age Inquisition is not BF4, despite using the same engine. There have different requirements. Not sure what you're getting at.

I didn't program the engine nor did I code for DAI so I don't know why dual cores have problems.
 

DAI requires a QuadCore for some reason. It was stated that QuadCore is the minimum requirement a month before release.

 

So if you assumed things would be alright despite not reaching minimum requirements, then BioWare is not responsible.


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Actually, it's just a fuckup by Bioware...

 

Battlefield 4 at least RUNS(and runs fine at 60fps 1080p ultra settings) with a certain dualcore CPU.

 

This game...no so much.

 

PC gets more powerful hardware even when spending same amount of money as console potatoes.

Why should players who care about their game more(spend more money or more effort to build a PC for best gaming experience) have to suffer?

 

The kind of bullshit such as game not able to even get to main menu is expected of UBISOFT.

Not Bioware.

 

Stop trying to do damage control.

 

Game publishers have min specs for every game.

Do yourself a favor and read them ahead of time.

That choice belongs to the maker of the game.

 

No harm in providing feedback that you want to be able to play on older systems.

Feedback is good.

Rants of Entitlement are another thing.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it.



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Are you trying to "insult" me or something?

 

Well, since you insulted PC gamers with your initial post you kind of had it coming.

 

My PC is an 8-month old Alienware. The CPU and GPU are at minimum, not recommended, but that should not mean that I can't get past the first scene with Cassandra and Leliana. Not that I need to justify how I maintain my PC to you, but I regularly defrag, run virus scans and malware scans. My PC is well-maintained, and your opinion that PC gamers don't know how or don't care to properly maintain their rigs is misinformed at best. And that's the nicest way I can put it without getting a warning.


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Well, since you insulted PC gamers with your initial post you kind of had it coming.

 

My PC is an 8-month old Alienware. The CPU and GPU are at minimum, not recommended, but that should not mean that I can't get past the first scene with Cassandra and Leliana.

 

So what's happening?  Are you stuck there for good?  Or did you get through?



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Now that you are experiencing issues (shocking I know!!!), you want to start blaming the company completely rather than figure out why your computer isn't running it the way it should be. 

Pay all the money you want. It doesn't justify the "entitled brat" attitude.

 

Excuse you. When Bioware posts that they recognize crashes on both nvidia and AMD cards and are working with both companies for a fix, that's not how the computer is maintained. That's a clear failure on the dev side. Please, god. Go back to your console and refrain from telling PC users what's wrong with their games. We'll get it sorted without your "help."


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So what's happening?  Are you stuck there for good?  Or did you get through?

 

The very first character I created is in the Hinterlands. I don't like her face (heh) so I've been attempting and failing to go back and create a new character, but I can't. If it doesn't crash in the opening scene it crashes in the CC. I've tried just about everything I can in the tech support thread for the DirectX errors. No dice. I've had pretty limited gaming time since release, but I'll get to that character in the Hinterlands and hope I can just move the game forward at this point.



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The very first character I created is in the Hinterlands. I don't like her face (heh) so I've been attempting and failing to go back and create a new character, but I can't. If it doesn't crash in the opening scene it crashes in the CC. I've tried just about everything I can in the tech support thread for the DirectX errors. No dice. I've had pretty limited gaming time since release, but I'll get to that character in the Hinterlands and hope I can just move the game forward at this point.

 

I had that too.

I turned my MSAA off and my Ambient Occlusion off under Options<Graphics.

That worked.  I wasn't freezing anymore.

Game still looks gorgeous.

Give it a try.  Hope it works for now :)



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I had that too.

I turned my MSAA off and my Ambient Occlusion off under Options<Graphics.

That worked.  I wasn't freezing anymore.

Game still looks gorgeous.

Give it a try.  Hope it works for now :)

 

I did all that too. :(  Also running it in windowed borderless, lowered post processing aliasing, post process quality, and effects quality. Also tried running it without the Origin overlay and unlocking the cutscene framerate cap. Still not working. Turning off Ambient Occlusion, by the way, made a huge difference in load times. Started as something close to two minutes between selecting New Game and the my PC standing up. Now it's far less.



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I did all that too. :(  Also running it in windowed borderless, lowered post processing aliasing, post process quality, and effects quality. Also tried running it without the Origin overlay and unlocking the cutscene framerate cap. Still not working. Turning off Ambient Occlusion, by the way, made a huge difference in load times. Started as something close to two minutes between selecting New Game and the my PC standing up. Now it's far less.

 

It's weird that it worked fine before for you.

I've rerolled 6 different characters and too two of them to Haven.

Another issue is maybe your security software.  If it's popping something up, and you can't see it - the game will freeze.

Origin is busy in the background.  You may have to work with your security permissions there.

Something changed.  It makes no sense any other way.

 

Edit.  Sorry OP.  Won't derail any further.


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It's weird that it worked fine before for you.

I've rerolled 6 different characters and too two of them to Haven.

Another issue is maybe your security software.  If it's popping something up, and you can't see it - the game will freeze.

Origin is busy in the background.  You may have to work with your security permissions there.

Something changed.  It makes no sense any other way.

 

Edit.  Sorry OP.  Won't derail any further.

 

Again, it's not running in Origins and it's in windowed mode. There are no popups that I can't see. Besides, I have it set to Gaming Mode.



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So a couple guesses from tech forums.

 

-Alienware OCed the GPU.  The game is very sensitive to ocing the GPU.  Set it back to factory spec.

 

-Stupid Dellware causing software conflicts.  Could very well be.  

 

-1600 is pretty cheap for an alienware so you may not have the best gpu either.