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#51
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Again, it's not running in Origins and it's in windowed mode. There are no popups that I can't see. Besides, I have it set to Gaming Mode.

 

If you click the DAIInquisition shortcut - origin still runs in the background.

Maybe check your IP connections to verify? If you have time?.

 

Gaming Mode helps ALOT allright.

But interestingly as a trial when I set Origins to offline, then disabled my security software, for the first time ever I got the loading screen to lockup and i hat to reset computer.

Turned the security system back on and I got in fine again.

That tells me something is out of sync.

I really think there's DRM stuff going on in the background that might affect some systems with security software.

Anyway, just a lead to consider.



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Yes, guys. I know. I'm not going to list everything I've done, but I have done or looked at everything mentioned. My system meets specs. It's not the best GPU, but players with the best GPU (and even with the Bioware recommended GPUs) are having the same problems I'm having.

 

My point is that PC users don't, as a rule, sit on their hands and cry foul while waiting for the devs to fix everything. We are usually very good and fiddling and tweaking because we know our systems are all different. This isn't new information. We don't really someone to say, "Hey, your systems are different and maybe you should run a virus scan on occasion." We also know that consoles are one-size-fits-all, but we choose not to play on consoles.


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Excuse you. When Bioware posts that they recognize crashes on both nvidia and AMD cards and are working with both companies for a fix, that's not how the computer is maintained. That's a clear failure on the dev side. Please, god. Go back to your console and refrain from telling PC users what's wrong with their games. We'll get it sorted without your "help."

 

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I don't think I ever said that the developers are completely off the hook. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

 

This post was not aimed at these persistent issues. It targeted those that do not update their systems and still expect everything to work normally.

Yes they have acknowledged the persistent problems that users are completely incapable of fixing on their own because they are engine-related and such.

Typically, these are unforeseen issues that arise due to PC mutability. It's their fault but it's not intentional. Victimizing yourself does no one any good.

 

P.S. I haven't owned a console in 5 years.



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Yes, guys. I know. I'm not going to list everything I've done, but I have done or looked at everything mentioned. My system meets specs. It's not the best GPU, but players with the best GPU (and even with the Bioware recommended GPUs) are having the same problems I'm having.

 

My point is that PC users don't, as a rule, sit on their hands and cry foul while waiting for the devs to fix everything. We are usually very good and fiddling and tweaking because we know our systems are all different. This isn't new information. We don't really someone to say, "Hey, your systems are different and maybe you should run a virus scan on occasion." We also know that consoles are one-size-fits-all, but we choose not to play on consoles.

 

It may be obvious for you, but many others are quite oblivious.



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It's weird that it worked fine before for you.

I've rerolled 6 different characters and too two of them to Haven.

Another issue is maybe your security software.  If it's popping something up, and you can't see it - the game will freeze.

Origin is busy in the background.  You may have to work with your security permissions there.

Something changed.  It makes no sense any other way.

 

Edit.  Sorry OP.  Won't derail any further.

This topic is quite broad. You aren't derailing ;)


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It may be obvious for you, but many others are quite oblivious.

 

Might just be my own frustration here, but it sounds more like a reprimand of PC users. I mean, we really do get it. There are a lot of people trying a lot of different things. First it's the wonky keyboard controls and then it's the random CTDs. For most of the PC users who are having problems, it's not a problem they created through ignorance or lack of maintenance.


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It may be obvious for you, but many others are quite oblivious.

 

PC gamers are actually far better at system maintenance than most other types of users, if only because everything you said in your first post is remarkably obvious to us.


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PC gamers are actually far better at system maintenance than most other types of users, if only because everything you said in your first post is remarkably obvious to us.


I barely do any maintenance on my PC.

I just sprinkle some magic self healing pixie dust on the computer regularly and it solves its own problems.

True story. Almost 13 hours in DA:I and no crashes.
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PC gamers are actually far better at system maintenance than most other types of users, if only because everything you said in your first post is remarkably obvious to us.

 

All the more surprising when they employ misdirection.

 

Are you disagreeing with the notion that PC gamers should first look into their own systems before going on rants and tirades about how they are being oppressed?

 

That's what the forum has looked like, only to have people come back a day later after writing strongly worded disappointment posts, saying that they solved the problem by, lo and behold, updating drivers or disabling conflicting software.

 

Obvious or not, people are choosing to ignore their own responsibility. You cannot honestly believe that all the problems listed here are solely BioWare's fault? 



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May I just point out I'm pleasantly surprised and how well my game's running on my laptop? I mean it's not even a dedicated gaming laptop and I've been able to set a couple of settings to medium and meshes on high AND still have smooth fps (not 60, but not 30.. I'd assume around 40-50). Granted the screen tearing- 30 fps lock in cut screen is annoying and there are other optimization issues on other graphics cards and such, the game doesn't really have as many problems as people make it out to be.


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May I just point out I'm pleasantly surprised and how well my game's running on my laptop? I mean it's not even a dedicated gaming laptop and I've been able to set a couple of settings to medium and meshes on high AND still have smooth fps (not 60, but not 30.. I'd assume around 40-50). Granted the screen tearing- 30 fps lock in cut screen is annoying and there are other optimization issues on other graphics cards and such, the game doesn't really have as many problems as people make it out to be.

 

Someone found a "fix" for disabling the cut-scene fps lock but it ended up causing more damage than good for some people.

 

If you wanna risk it, I think you can find the command-line prompt somewhere on the forums or reddit.



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Someone found a "fix" for disabling the cut-scene fps lock but it ended up causing more damage than good for some people.

 

If you wanna risk it, I think you can find the command-line prompt somewhere on the forums or reddit.

Yeah I saw it but I never actually use unofficial 'fixes' unless they're guaranteed :P 



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Yeah I saw it but I never actually use unofficial 'fixes' unless they're guaranteed :P

Well I think BioWare is looking into uncapping the FPS in cut-scenes, if that's any consolation :P


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People need to adjust their setting and learn to not be afraid to adjust their settings.     Also...people need to get more RAM.  

The more ram the better your game will run.  I've had far less crashes because I have 16 gigs of ram.

 

If people are running programs minimized they need to shut them off. 

 

It took some doing but I'm now averaging 30-35 fps. I know when I update my videocard the performance will improve but right now I'm happy.

 

Also...people should have never expected this game to be a return to Origins style combat or DA2. It takes some getting used to but now I know how to use the controls and its fun!!

Absolutely, there is an old adage "you can never have enough RAM" and it is as true now as it was 10 years ago. Remember the days when they said computers would never need to exceed 1mb RAM? (yeah.. probably not) so they had to invent expanded RAM back in the day.

 

It makes sense though when you think about it, PCs still use a hard drive all these years later which haven't developed in the same way CPUs and GPUs have, and that data has to be collected faster and faster from the external bus.

 

I'm delighted they've stuck with the PC market though, and playing a gem like this game shows it must be worth it.


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No, no, no. You got it all wrong.
 
PCs are in fact far, far easier to develop for.
They're just harder to support. Or they can be harder to support - if you push the boundaries, which new AAA games must.
 
How important PCs are, is something we don't really know. And I think we don't know it because the industry is hiding it, as one step of achieving their long time holy grail - all console gaming.
 
The way I grasp it, PC-gaming has grown every year for like 2 decades. While it doesn't really look as if the consoles have conquered new terrain. My impression is that there are not more people today who are buying a PS4, than there were once people buying Nintendo64 or Playstation. And going downtown today (I was actually looking to maybe purchase DA:I PC) I could observe how virtually all game shops have disappeared. Only one remained. A GameStop squeezed into a kiosk-like little store. Despite that city was full of shoppers, there weren't many inside the GameStop store. Not that many would have fitted in there. The store's main items were a couple of huge shelves featuring used games, and a handful of PS4 and XBone systems to sell. Then Far Cry 4, CoD Advance Warfare and some GTA. They didn't offer DA:I on PC for sales. But they did have PS4 and XB1 versions. Not prominently though.
 
That's a huge difference from the time I can remember when we had 8 - 9 large game shops, always full of customers, more than half their shelves dedicated to PC games.
And PC-gaming is supposed to have grown every year since.
 
Digital sales you say?
Exactly! But it's well worth reminding of that the first ones who called for the publishers to focus on consoles were the distributors and retailers. It's well worth reminding of that this forced the launch of Steam. Which ushered in the age of digital sales. The distributors and retailers? Karma, I say.
 
Today, we have a big phenomenon of disgruntled hostility towards the video game industry. Generally called GamerGate. My impression is that it's mainly an effect from the industry's various efforts of console'ifying and formula'yzing their products.


First off, GG has nothing to do with consoles and PCs, and second, you sound like Gatt9.

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First off, GG has nothing to do with consoles and PCs, and second, you sound like Gatt9.

There are still big games that only cater for the PC market, such as the Total War franchise, so there must be life in the old bird yet?



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All the more surprising when they employ misdirection.

 

Are you disagreeing with the notion that PC gamers should first look into their own systems before going on rants and tirades about how they are being oppressed?

 

That's what the forum has looked like, only to have people come back a day later after writing strongly worded disappointment posts, saying that they solved the problem by, lo and behold, updating drivers or disabling conflicting software.

 

Obvious or not, people are choosing to ignore their own responsibility. You cannot honestly believe that all the problems listed here are solely BioWare's fault? 

 

Are you talking about oppression in terms of shitty UI and KB/M support, or oppression in terms of CTDs? I don't think the former is oppression, although some might disagree with me. I just think it's lazy. I'm not sure what to think about the latter. New drivers for nvidia were released the day the game launched and I updated those. Then I rolled back and then I went back to the latest. Beta drivers for AMD were released to try to help solve the CTDs and, from what I've read on the tech support thread, haven't actually done much good, and in fact have made some player's games worse.

 

If someone's on the forum complaining about crashes during cutscenes, the likelihood that they've tried a fix that includes updating drivers is probably about 100%. If you're playing on PC and your game is playing great, then I'm happy for you. I'm not all that thrilled with telling players that they're "ignoring their responsibility" when they are actively seeking a fix and talking to other players.



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First off, GG has nothing to do with consoles and PCs, and second, you sound like Gatt9.

 

I agree if you mean GG has nothing to do with the consoles vs PC situation. But I never said that. That's just how you interpreted it. Console users totally have the right to have the same gripes as PC users, for the same negative trends in gaming.

 

As for Gatt9, tsk, tsk, I would have thought you knew me (bEVEsthda) enough by now, to know better. But I'm just conceited, I guess. Oh, well.

Anyway, I'm sure Gatt9 would have had figures and links. I don't. I'm just pulling this from my a*.



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I agree if you mean GG has nothing to do with the consoles vs PC situation. But I never said that. That's just how you interpreted it. Console users totally have the right to have the same gripes as PC users, for the same negative trends in gaming.
 
As for Gatt9, tsk, tsk, I would have thought you knew me (bEVEsthda) enough by now, to know better. But I'm just conceited, I guess. Oh, well.
Anyway, I'm sure Gatt9 would have had figures and links. I don't. I'm just pulling this from my a*.

 
Fair enough, though "My impression is that it's mainly an effect from the industry's various efforts of console'ifying and formula'yzing their products." sounds a lot like you're connecting it to consoles and "console-ifying."
 
No, no, I know who you are, I just meant that the way you were talking you sounded like Gatt9 with all of his dour predictions.
 

There are still big games that only cater for the PC market, such as the Total War franchise, so there must be life in the old bird yet?

 
I don't believe the future is in (or that it SHOULD be in) exclusives. For too long I've been denied good games that are exclusive to consoles, and there's no reason to do that to console gamers.
 
I see them simply as different alternatives. Consoles are going to be more straightforward, less installing necessary, no hardware changes needed, and cheaper. PCs are going to be much, much prettier, have access to mods and other platform-specific things (like changing an .ini file, for instance, to allow 60 FPS cutscenes), and be usable as a general machine for other non-multimedia-related tasks.



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does anyone know if the game kicks the cutscenes up to ultra on all the settings? I have noticed that mine only crashes when cutscene dialogue is happening.