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[Feraele]

I heard the PC port of DA:I was pretty good actually. The only problem is the controls and UI and that can be fixed by using a controller.

 

Not all of us are going to run right out and buy a controller to please the console crowd.   I am really surprised at the poor treatment of the PC platform,  you would expect being that all the years prior it was primarily PC ...that that part would continue ( talking the quality that WAS)  along with inclusion of the console platform.   It is possible to do both, so what's up with Bioware these days?   Other game companies are able to do this far as I know?    So what happens when Oculus Rift is common place,  is that going to confuse Bioware even more?    Have to keep up with the times yes, but not totally ignore those that have supported you through the years in favour of the "new shiney". 

[Fallstar]

Give them time to release a patch. Yes it's not ideal, but it's not the end of the world either. The ideal situation would of course be modding support, as these are the kind of problems which are ideal to allow the community to correct and polish, as we saw with Skyrim.

[bussinrounds]

Why would you want a k&m to play a consolized action game anyway ?

 

If you want to play a proper cRPG, you're looking in the wrong place bud.

[Isichar]

It really does depend on the game. For direct control and a third-person camera, a controller is typically a better device because it allows analog movement. A select few games have gotten over this (Splinter Cell used the mouse wheel to control speed, but it was still incremental--just had analog-like variation), but most suffer from this. And for shooters, a mouse and keyboard is the better device because the control is both analog and precise.

Sure, which is why I gave an example of a game that I felt completely doesn't work well on PC compared to console. There are exceptions.

Another example could be a game made on the DS, which may utilize the systems mechanics in a way the PC can't. There are cases in which something was specifically built around the controls of its console (which I like)

Thee games Dragon Age were called the spiritual successor for examples are games in which was built around the controls of the PC, and wouldn't work too well on a console, which became noticeable when they tried doing a system that works well for both, and then moved away from the standard top view to the more action orientated 3rd person combat of DA2.

When I say the PC controls are better though I'm speaking generally ignoring actual individual games and looking at the system can do as a whole, I'll admit this is largely opionated but I do feel generally speaking it is more true then not.

[bmwcrazy]

I tried to play it with my wired Xbox controller, but my PC master race self slapped me in the face and made me go back to keyboard and mouse.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

It seems odd to me that the PC controls are universally panned, when DA:I is pretty much a single player MMO. You'd think the control schemes of games like WoW and Guild Wars are a good foundation to build upon. Are they really that bad?

[Isichar]

@Sim

the main issue I think is this thread was created to be more of a rant rather then a discussion.

[Isichar]

I'm not sure how general this comment is but it raises an interesting question. Can something be dumbed down when it has no standards of complexity attached to it? Is a game made for consoles from the jump inherently dumbed down?

I'm mostly talking about the shift in Biowares mentality. Not universally speaking.

Generally speaking I think the same thing holds true, but this isn't always the case as Entropic pointed out.

[Dreez]

 

I would like to point out that this series was meant to be a spiritual successor to a game that was built around the PC (Baldurs Gate) which would sort of lead me to believe that the controls would be more PC based rather then built around a console though. If it feels like it was built around the console with the PC port feeling like more of an afterthought then I'd be a bit annoyed for the same reason someone who likes consoles more would be annoyed if a game like let's say Uncharted or God of War changed their focus to make the games gameplay more focused on a PC with the console ports being treated as more of an afterthought, it would alienate many of the fans who are console gamers and have come to recognize those series as ones they can expect to be good console releases.

 

That's EXACTLY what Bioware are doing with their latest games, porting them from consoles to PC with console-controls.

 

And that's why i am boycotting Bioware and EA, AND working against their "high reviews" on Youtube.

PC-gamers needs to know the TRUTH, and not be misled by the hype.

 

Had Bioware released their games fully optimized for all platforms BUT keeping it PC MAIN PLATFORM, i wouldn't care.

 

[Gravisanimi]

Ha Youtube comments.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Control schemes involve money that a poor company like EA can't afford to spend.

Maybe if all of us PC gamers weren't all pirates and terrible people they would have mercy upon us.

[Isichar]

If you re-read my post you'll find I'm not talking about individual games either. I'm speaking on as high a level as you.

 

There are some games that simply work better with analog movement. There's no getting around that. DA doesn't happen to be one, in my opinion, and I hate what they did with the combat in DA I. But that doesn't mean there aren't any such games (Splinter Cell games, AC games, generally third-person melee or non-combat focused games). There is no "M&K>Controller."

 

And about DA, I disagree that any part of it is fundamental to a keyboard. Anything done in DA:O (outside of simply MORE hotkeys edit and maybe camera zoom) could have been done with controllers.

 

Not sure why you keep restating something I acknowledged right from the start before you even replied to me tbh. I gave an example of a game that worked better with analog before you even originally replied to me so I obviously agree that there are games that work better, and then I just brought up the 3DS in my response to further that example.

 

If you re-read my post you'll notice I never said you did say individual games so...

 

And saying "the console can do anything the PC version could, just less better in some aspects" sort of proves the point.

 

I have pointed out several times already that we are talking about a game that is a spiritual successor to a PC based series, something which was somewhat evident in DA:O and less so in DA2. You don't think that should matter? Fair enough. To me it's certainly not something that will keep me from playing or enjoying the game, I just see it as a large negative against the series, again this is admittedly largely (hell you can even say completely if you'd like) opinionated.

[Isichar]

Btw, as an afterthought.

 

It's interesting to see that from the 'oldies' it's BioWare that have remained as a triple A company.

 

Obsidian has had to claw their way through a number of games (poor dudes, they're excellent writers) and eventually had to settle for Kickstarter.

 

Black Isle... well they died.

 

And a bunch of other companies too.

 

I think the same would have happened to BioWare if they had not been bought under EA and shifted their focus.

 

Which is both a relief and a shame.

 

Hopefully CDPR's promotion of PC gaming will boost that side of the industry. I'm not trying to kiss their ass here (which I so totally would if I could,) but they do very good work for the PC market. However, I too see them having to shift their focus on the console side sooner or later. The latter more than the former because they're doing very well on their good rep as developers and as a company.

 

 

 

You are correct. BioWare should have the game ready for each platform.

 

But look at it this way. There could be a million different factors that we will never know about that prevented that in happening.

 

Or it could be simple money milking.

 

The problem is your attitude.

 

I've learned through (and god I sound lame saying so) years of experience during DA2 to ME3 forums that attitude helps a lot when you're trying to make a point.

 

I agree. The PC performance is lack lustre, but otherwise the game (so far) is the best BioWare has made since that disaster of a DA2. Remember, many people don't play BioWare games for their combat. And hell, DA:I has a lot of things that don't involve much 'mousing' that outweigh the negatives of its combat.

 

Anyways, announcing to the world that you will "boycott" and "spread the word" makes you sound like some lunatic. Seriously. Have you heard yourself? It's like BioWare are promoting blood sacrifices of little baby kittens and murdering puppies in their sleep.

 

So take a chill pill. Evaluate. Don't start some false war so you vent your sexual frustration out the damn window.

 

P.S

 

Sorry for the sexual frustration part.

 

Don't take it personally.

 

I joke around a lot.

 

I go on similar rants as the OP when something hits a nerve so I can sort of understand. When talking about things like DRM I get very similarly ranty and have to put in twice as much effort to approach responses and points a bit more objectively.

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

The reason game studios are ditching the PC master race is so the other platforms that they are on can sell more consoles. Its been happening with Killer Instinct on the Xbone, Laura Croft going to the Xbone and Halo never releasing on the PC. In the eyes of Consolemakers, videogames are chumpchange. Selling consoles is where they make their real money. So if they highjack these big titles, it means bigger gains than simply dishing out videogames.

[TurianRebel212]

BioWare hasn't been or never will be as good as they were with Mass Effect 2. Everything after than is pretty below average in terms of the high standard I used to hold for BioWare. 

 

 

But..... Like I said, I haven't played DA3. I will not buy it, but I might "acquire" it other ways... Buwhahahahaha. But yeah. Hold the Wallet. Quit supporting EA and their subsidiaries. 

 

As far as these big "AAA" publishers and devs not catering to the pc.... Well yeah, I mean duh. They want to cater to the mass Console Peasant Horde. No shocker there. 

[Dovahzeymahlkey]

Control schemes involve money that a poor company like EA can't afford to spend.

Maybe if all of us PC gamers weren't all pirates and terrible people they would have mercy upon us.

Recon plz, Consoles pirate worse than PC gamers. They also fuel bootleg makers because they have to purchase cracked CDs.