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[Sandtigress]

Okay, a few things so I dont screw up my HNF's story.

1)  You can do Alistair’s personal quest after Landsmeet, right?  I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t be able to since Denerim is fair game post-Landsmeet, but stranger things have happened.

2)  He won’t proposition you for the night without having done his personal quest, yes?

3)  There is no way to keep Alistair and be his queen if you choose Loghain, I imagine?  I know hardened Alistair will still marry Anora, but I can’t see him marrying HNF if she picks Loghain over him, but I thought I would ask for curiousity’s sake.  Of course, if I went this route, then I’d need to do personal quest before Landsmeet, but anyways.

Thanks!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:10 .

[Freckles04]

I would love to respond, but your message is all wacky...

[Sandtigress]

Whoa, weird. Let me try that again....

[Sandtigress]

Heh, now it fixes.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention, Freckles.  

Modifié par Sandtigress, 25 janvier 2010 - 05:11 .

[legbamel]

I don't know the answer to the first two questions, as I've never waited that long, but I can't imagine why you couldn't meet darling Goldanna after the Landsmeet. I don't know that his personal quest is linked with his asking you to his tent, though. I think it's based on his feelings/approval. I usually visit Denerim (and thus pass Goldanna's door) early in the game so I can't say whetehr skipping that affects the other.



As for keeping Loghain and Alistair, there's no way. He sees it as a complete personal betrayal. He'll marry Anora if he's hardened but he certainly won't stay in your party, much less your bedroll.

[ejoslin]

I'm not sure about the first either, but his asking you and telling you he loves you afterwards is reliant on his personal quest being done. Of course, he'll go to your tent if you ask if his approval is high enough.



And yes, if you spare Loghain, you lose Alistair. If you make him king by having him marry Anora, you can talk to him afterwards, but he really is gone.

[ejoslin]

double post ,sorry

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:55 .

[PunkNouveau13]

1)  You can do Alistair’s personal quest after Landsmeet, right? 
I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t be able to since Denerim is fair
game post-Landsmeet, but stranger things have happened.

As soon as he brings it up, you can go when ever you want.

2)  He won’t proposition you for the night without having done his personal quest, yes?

Yes, and his approval rating has to be high enough.

3) 
There is no way to keep Alistair and be his queen if you choose
Loghain, I imagine?  I know hardened Alistair will still marry Anora,
but I can’t see him marrying HNF if she picks Loghain over him, but I
thought I would ask for curiousity’s sake.  Of course, if I went this
route, then I’d need to do personal quest before Landsmeet, but anyways.

No, Alistair can either marry Anora and you can recruit Loghain but, in the end, he pretty much doesn't want anything to do with you.

Modifié par PunkNouveau13, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:24 .

[Sandtigress]

Yes, I'm speaking more specifically about him asking you to spend the night, rather than the other way around. I seem to remember it being tied to his personal quest, but I usually do that early, as well. This time, my girl is playing shy and hard to get - we're halfway through the allies and only just now beginning to do any kind of flirting with Alistair. Let me tell you, that's been hard to do!



I figure she's a very dutiful noble, she's got certain rules that she's not willing to break and she's not going to be with Alistair until they're engaged, if I can help it. Means I need to be careful of what I pick though!



I think I can keep him out of adore until post-Landsmeet anyways. There are certainly enough gifts to boost him up afterwards, and the personal quest too.



Thanks for the input thus far!

[Monica21]

Sandtigress wrote...

Yes, I'm speaking more specifically about him asking you to spend the night, rather than the other way around. I seem to remember it being tied to his personal quest, but I usually do that early, as well. This time, my girl is playing shy and hard to get - we're halfway through the allies and only just now beginning to do any kind of flirting with Alistair. Let me tell you, that's been hard to do!

I figure she's a very dutiful noble, she's got certain rules that she's not willing to break and she's not going to be with Alistair until they're engaged, if I can help it. Means I need to be careful of what I pick though!

I think I can keep him out of adore until post-Landsmeet anyways. There are certainly enough gifts to boost him up afterwards, and the personal quest too.

Thanks for the input thus far!

If Alistair is in the Care mode, he needs a medium Persuade check to get him to rule with you. Also, I'm not sure that you can get the chance to spend the night once you are engaged because of everything that happens after the Landsmeet. You're kind of stuck in the Arl's estate and I don't remember an opportunity arising. IIRC, the appropriate dialogue can only come up after the coronation, and that's just dialogue and no cutscene.

ETA: I think after the Landsmeet, the only "romantic" cutscene is between Alistair and Morrigan. If I were a meta-gamer I'd avoid that if only because I wouldn't want her to get him first.

Modifié par Monica21, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:11 .

[Freckles04]

Sandtigress wrote...

Okay, a few things so I dont screw up my HNF's story.

1)  You can do Alistair’s personal quest after Landsmeet, right?  I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t be able to since Denerim is fair game post-Landsmeet, but stranger things have happened.

2)  He won’t proposition you for the night without having done his personal quest, yes?

3)  There is no way to keep Alistair and be his queen if you choose Loghain, I imagine?  I know hardened Alistair will still marry Anora, but I can’t see him marrying HNF if she picks Loghain over him, but I thought I would ask for curiousity’s sake.  Of course, if I went this route, then I’d need to do personal quest before Landsmeet, but anyways.

Thanks!

1. I haven't done it that way, but I have done a playthrough where I did his personal quest just before the Landsmeet, declared myself his queen at the Landsmeet, then before going to Redcliffe headed back to camp and got the proposition cutscene. I have to say, you get quite the reaction from Alistair in the post-Landsmeet conversation if you choose "It won't be for lack of trying" when he talks about having children and you haven't spent the night together yet. Very, very cute.

2. That's correct, and only if your approval rating is high enough. That is, if you do his personal quest early and he's not in love with you yet, you won't get the cut scene until you get your approval up high enough.

3. If you choose to spare Loghain, you've basically betrayed everything that's been driving Alistair through the entire game. Note that as early as in the Wilds after Ostagar, he will respond that Loghain must pay when you mention that the Blight has to be stopped. Justice for Loghain overrides all else, though the Blight is a close second. So, yes, if you spare Loghain, you've basically told Alistair that what happened to Duncan and the other Wardens doesn't matter, so it's not a surprise that he wants nothing more to do with you. I do recommend doing this route at least once to have the conversation with him post-Landsmeet (assuming you marry him off to Anora). It's fabulous acting and writing, and a harder side of the character than we've seen up to this point.

Modifié par Freckles04, 25 janvier 2010 - 07:36 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Monica21 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Yes, I'm speaking more specifically about him asking you to spend the night, rather than the other way around. I seem to remember it being tied to his personal quest, but I usually do that early, as well. This time, my girl is playing shy and hard to get - we're halfway through the allies and only just now beginning to do any kind of flirting with Alistair. Let me tell you, that's been hard to do!

I figure she's a very dutiful noble, she's got certain rules that she's not willing to break and she's not going to be with Alistair until they're engaged, if I can help it. Means I need to be careful of what I pick though!

I think I can keep him out of adore until post-Landsmeet anyways. There are certainly enough gifts to boost him up afterwards, and the personal quest too.

Thanks for the input thus far!

If Alistair is in the Care mode, he needs a medium Persuade check to get him to rule with you. Also, I'm not sure that you can get the chance to spend the night once you are engaged because of everything that happens after the Landsmeet. You're kind of stuck in the Arl's estate and I don't remember an opportunity arising. IIRC, the appropriate dialogue can only come up after the coronation, and that's just dialogue and no cutscene.

ETA: I think after the Landsmeet, the only "romantic" cutscene is between Alistair and Morrigan. If I were a meta-gamer I'd avoid that if only because I wouldn't want her to get him first.

Lol thats what I've usually done is let him initiate the scene cause like you my girl was alsways shy n well ladies just don't do that kind of thing lmao... Except for my last play through I initiated it cause I read in a forum about Alistair proclaiming his love n stuff... I did something wrong though cause after the love scene he still said "See thats why I love you; did I tell you that I love you, I did well it won't hurt to say/hear it again" But he still said the thing about me being the only woman n if he has his way the last, but from what I gathered reading the post he says something more so on this playthrough I'm gonna try something diff.



I know after the Landsmeet before you go to Redcliff to prepare for the final battle you can go bk to your camp... I know you can ask Alistair to go to sleep with you when your at camp (I always do cause thats the last time my character gets to sleep with Alistair before the battle n if I'm gonna have him do that ritual with that skank Morrigan then I want our last "sleep together" fresh in his mind lol)... As far as the love scene I don't see why not, but just before you go to your camp make sure you have your approval at love cause when you go to camp if the love scene is gonna happen it will trigger as you enter camp... I've never tried to wait that long, it doesn't take much or very long to get him to fall for you lol

[Sialater]

Uh... I don't take him to Goldanna's until he's taken my PC to his tent... He told me about Goldanna, but we hadn't gone to see her. I think that's the only thing that has to happen, you have to get the quest, not do it, yet.

[Monica21]

Freckles04 wrote...
1. I haven't done it that way, but I have done a playthrough where I did his personal quest just before the Landsmeet, declared myself his queen at the Landsmeet, then before going to Redcliffe headed back to camp and got the proposition cutscene. I have to say, you get quite the reaction from Alistair in the post-Landsmeet conversation if you choose "It won't be for lack of trying" when he talks about having children and you haven't spent the night together yet. Very, very cute.

I'd forgotten that you could go back to camp after the Landsmeet, but good to know. Doesn't his approval have to be at 90+ to get the him to make the first move though?

[ejoslin]

Sialater wrote...

Uh... I don't take him to Goldanna's until he's taken my PC to his tent... He told me about Goldanna, but we hadn't gone to see her. I think that's the only thing that has to happen, you have to get the quest, not do it, yet.

Hmmm, that's interesting.  I am really wondering what is up with romances in this game.  Taking him to Goldanna is always the trigger when my PC romances him to have him ask when they get back to camp -- until then he's at adore, and it's the quest that has him switch to love and has him declare his wanting her.  Depending on whether he's hardened or not, he'll either immediately tell the PC he loves her (non-hardened) or wait until after they have sex (he'll tell her after sex either hardened or unhardened).

[ejoslin]

Monica21 wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...
1. I haven't done it that way, but I have done a playthrough where I did his personal quest just before the Landsmeet, declared myself his queen at the Landsmeet, then before going to Redcliffe headed back to camp and got the proposition cutscene. I have to say, you get quite the reaction from Alistair in the post-Landsmeet conversation if you choose "It won't be for lack of trying" when he talks about having children and you haven't spent the night together yet. Very, very cute.

I'd forgotten that you could go back to camp after the Landsmeet, but good to know. Doesn't his approval have to be at 90+ to get the him to make the first move though?

yes, he has to be in love, not just adore.

[Sialater]

ejoslin wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Uh... I don't take him to Goldanna's until he's taken my PC to his tent... He told me about Goldanna, but we hadn't gone to see her. I think that's the only thing that has to happen, you have to get the quest, not do it, yet.

Hmmm, that's interesting.  I am really wondering what is up with romances in this game.  Taking him to Goldanna is always the trigger when my PC romances him to have him ask when they get back to camp -- until then he's at adore, and it's the quest that has him switch to love and has him declare his wanting her.  Depending on whether he's hardened or not, he'll either immediately tell the PC he loves her (non-hardened) or wait until after they have sex (he'll tell her after sex either hardened or unhardened).

Really?  I must be very manipulative.   He tells me he loves me first, we hop in the sack and then we go see his sister.

And then I have to break up with Zevran. 

[Thor Rand Al]

The 1 thing I love about Alistairs romances is there are sooo many possibilities of how n when to do his love scene that it makes it even more enjoyable to play... I'm not sure if it's that way with the other characters, my first couple of playthroughs I had a male pc n well he was kind of a dog lol, n I've yet been able to do Zev's romance cause I like Alistair too much lmao n by the time Zev does show up my pc is already starting to feel something for Alistair... Poor Zev, no love for him

[errant_knight]

PunkNouveau13 wrote...

1)  You can do Alistair’s personal quest after Landsmeet, right? 
I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t be able to since Denerim is fair
game post-Landsmeet, but stranger things have happened.

As soon as he brings it up, you can go when ever you want.

2)  He won’t proposition you for the night without having done his personal quest, yes?

Yes, and his approval rating has to be high enough.

3) 
There is no way to keep Alistair and be his queen if you choose
Loghain, I imagine?  I know hardened Alistair will still marry Anora,
but I can’t see him marrying HNF if she picks Loghain over him, but I
thought I would ask for curiousity’s sake.  Of course, if I went this
route, then I’d need to do personal quest before Landsmeet, but anyways.

No, Alistair can either marry Anora and you can recruit Loghain but, in the end, he pretty much doesn't want anything to do with you.

Just so you know, the color red in the original post is illegible on my monitor. I could only see it when I replied to let you know.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:20 .

[PunkNouveau13]

sorry

[Sandtigress]

Monica21 wrote...


If Alistair is in the Care mode, he needs a medium Persuade check to get him to rule with you. Also, I'm not sure that you can get the chance to spend the night once you are engaged because of everything that happens after the Landsmeet. You're kind of stuck in the Arl's estate and I don't remember an opportunity arising. IIRC, the appropriate dialogue can only come up after the coronation, and that's just dialogue and no cutscene.

ETA: I think after the Landsmeet, the only "romantic" cutscene is between Alistair and Morrigan. If I were a meta-gamer I'd avoid that if only because I wouldn't want her to get him first.

It won't be a problem on affection - he's pretty close to adore already, and I still have two more allies (dwarve and elves) to gain!

You can do just about anything after Landsmeet except go to Redcliffe if you don't want the story to advance.  I usually end up cleaning up the tail ends of quests then, so it shouldn't be a problem to wait until then for the proposition.  I'll just keep a save point pre-Landsmeet in case his personal quest isn't available for some reason.

I know that his "why did you keep your heritage a secret" question is different if you ask post-curing Eamon than pre-Eamon - I'm curious to see what changes in Goldanna's thing if he's already been declared the future king, since one of the options is "Well, you are going to be the king".  I just figure we either won't go to Denerim or we'll only go for brief periods so that poor Alistair doesn't have time to go visit his sister.  My PC's already proven hard-headed about such things - she put off letting Alistair tell about his father when we got to Redcliffe, and got the most amusing surprise when Eamon wanted to put Alistair up for king (thanks Freckles for the suggestion!).

Haha, three romances with Alistair so far, and they're all different.  I'd love to give Zev a chance, but that Alistair is much too charming. 

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Uh... I don't take him to Goldanna's until he's taken my PC to his tent... He told me about Goldanna, but we hadn't gone to see her. I think that's the only thing that has to happen, you have to get the quest, not do it, yet.

Hmmm, that's interesting.  I am really wondering what is up with romances in this game.  Taking him to Goldanna is always the trigger when my PC romances him to have him ask when they get back to camp -- until then he's at adore, and it's the quest that has him switch to love and has him declare his wanting her.  Depending on whether he's hardened or not, he'll either immediately tell the PC he loves her (non-hardened) or wait until after they have sex (he'll tell her after sex either hardened or unhardened).

My understanding was you can ask him to join you in your tent pre-Goldanna and he'll join you, but he will only ask you to join him post-Goldanna.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 25 janvier 2010 - 08:28 .

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Uh... I don't take him to Goldanna's until he's taken my PC to his tent... He told me about Goldanna, but we hadn't gone to see her. I think that's the only thing that has to happen, you have to get the quest, not do it, yet.

Hmmm, that's interesting.  I am really wondering what is up with romances in this game.  Taking him to Goldanna is always the trigger when my PC romances him to have him ask when they get back to camp -- until then he's at adore, and it's the quest that has him switch to love and has him declare his wanting her.  Depending on whether he's hardened or not, he'll either immediately tell the PC he loves her (non-hardened) or wait until after they have sex (he'll tell her after sex either hardened or unhardened).

My understanding was you can ask him to join you in your tent pre-Goldanna and he'll join you, but he will only ask you to join him post-Goldanna.

That has always been my experience, even when he's at 100 adore.  It takes the sister quest for him to switch to love.  And if I don't harden him, he'll tell the PC he loves her; if he's hardened, he'll say it after sex.

[Freckles04]

Sandtigress wrote...

[snip]

My PC's already proven hard-headed about such things - she put off letting Alistair tell about his father when we got to Redcliffe, and got the most amusing surprise when Eamon wanted to put Alistair up for king (thanks Freckles for the suggestion!).

You're welcome. That was a fun way to play it for a change, I must say. Did you like the PC's avilable responses?

[Sandtigress]

lol It was fun, especially since she's a noble. You can just hear her nobly trained mind saying "Huh, maybe he's a marriage prospect after all!" And his embarrassed little line is so cute. Then again, showing up with the Urn in tow already was fun too. "Oh, I already have the Urn." Teagan: "Wha...?"



Plus, this is the first time I've had Wynne and Zev already so I got to hear all their lines. Though that stupid zombie fight took forever! I actually had to go looking for one that got lost in town or something and was with all the houses, stuck there.