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[SurelyForth]

Yeah, I have extensively tested the whole Adore/Love switch thing and it only happens after you see Goldanna. I have never gotten him to proposition my character before he hits Love and he has never hit Love until his quest has been done.



My last character took him through two ways- once she propositioned him early on but waited until they went to Denerim with Eamon to do his personal quest. The first trip back to camp after the Landsmeet triggered the "You're the first woman I've ever spent the night with..." variant on his proposition.



On another playthrough, she also didn't sleep with him at all, doing his personal quest right after arriving in Denerim for the Landsmeet. The proposition cutscene triggered as it should the first time she went back to camp after the Landsmeet.



If you harden him and invite him to your tent before he asks you, you don't get an official "I love you" (not counting the "See? That's why I love you!") unless you say it to him first at the gates in Denerim.

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...
If you harden him and invite him to your tent before he asks you, you don't get an official "I love you" (not counting the "See? That's why I love you!") unless you say it to him first at the gates in Denerim.

Remind me not to do that.  That's depressing!

[Sandtigress]

You know, I think I'll do Goldanna's thing just before Landsmeet, no camp visit prior to the meet.  I do want the poor guy to be in love with my PC before he gets engaged to her, after all.    Though this will probably be a two-save file thing, so I can see with him at Adore/Love.  Ahh, its a good thing I don't play too many other games on my PS3, because with all the alternative save files I've got going on, there won't be any room for anything else!

[ejoslin]

SurelyForth wrote...

Yeah, I have extensively tested the whole Adore/Love switch thing and it only happens after you see Goldanna. I have never gotten him to proposition my character before he hits Love and he has never hit Love until his quest has been done.

My last character took him through two ways- once she propositioned him early on but waited until they went to Denerim with Eamon to do his personal quest. The first trip back to camp after the Landsmeet triggered the "You're the first woman I've ever spent the night with..." variant on his proposition.

On another playthrough, she also didn't sleep with him at all, doing his personal quest right after arriving in Denerim for the Landsmeet. The proposition cutscene triggered as it should the first time she went back to camp after the Landsmeet.

If you harden him and invite him to your tent before he asks you, you don't get an official "I love you" (not counting the "See? That's why I love you!") unless you say it to him first at the gates in Denerim.

Nono, IF you proposition him when he's in love, he WILL tell you he loves you.  This is how you trigger it.  Don't romance him until he's at least 91, do his personal quest, harden him (make sure he's at least 91 friendly at that point), then go to camp.  In camp, tell him he's handsome, click on him until you get through all the romance dialogs, then proposition him.  You have the standard "love" ending.

Modifié par ejoslin, 25 janvier 2010 - 10:12 .

[Sandtigress]

lol  So basically you fall in love with him after seeing his shrew of a sister and telling him needs to stick up for himself?  A pity romance, much? 

[Thor Rand Al]

Freckles04 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

[snip]

My PC's already proven hard-headed about such things - she put off letting Alistair tell about his father when we got to Redcliffe, and got the most amusing surprise when Eamon wanted to put Alistair up for king (thanks Freckles for the suggestion!).

You're welcome. That was a fun way to play it for a change, I must say. Did you like the PC's avilable responses?

Is there any negativity if you put him off on telling you??

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

lol  So basically you fall in love with him after seeing his shrew of a sister and telling him needs to stick up for himself?  A pity romance, much? 

Hahaha, I always go for Zevran with my noble marrying poor Ali for political reasons, but being the curious person I am about dialog, I've tried all variants of that romance.  My favorite is turning on the romance just before the landsmeet, making him king with my PC by his side, then telling him about the heir thing, "not for lack of trying!" and seeing his completely embarassed reaction.

As an aside, when he discusses the heir situation, if you tell him "Not your heir" at friendly, he doesn't mind (-5 approval, but says he's ok with it) but if you say it at love, ooooh, does he get mad (-15 approval, and he is definitely ticked off).  I can't help it though.  My PC at least wants to try for that heir with Zevran!

[Sandtigress]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

[snip]

My PC's already proven hard-headed about such things - she put off letting Alistair tell about his father when we got to Redcliffe, and got the most amusing surprise when Eamon wanted to put Alistair up for king (thanks Freckles for the suggestion!).

You're welcome. That was a fun way to play it for a change, I must say. Did you like the PC's avilable responses?

Is there any negativity if you put him off on telling you??

I believe I got -5 approval.  I got more disapproval for letting Jowan out of his cell, and made that back at least when I gave him his mother's amulet.

[Sandtigress]

ejoslin wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

lol  So basically you fall in love with him after seeing his shrew of a sister and telling him needs to stick up for himself?  A pity romance, much? 

Hahaha, I always go for Zevran with my noble marrying poor Ali for political reasons, but being the curious person I am about dialog, I've tried all variants of that romance.  My favorite is turning on the romance just before the landsmeet, making him king with my PC by his side, then telling him about the heir thing, "not for lack of trying!" and seeing his completely embarassed reaction.

As an aside, when he discusses the heir situation, if you tell him "Not your heir" at friendly, he doesn't mind (-5 approval, but says he's ok with it) but if you say it at love, ooooh, does he get mad (-15 approval, and he is definitely ticked off).  I can't help it though.  My PC at least wants to try for that heir with Zevran!

Ha!  Alas, Zevran is not interested in my noble (imagine that!)  She won't flirt with him and is too much the knightly warrior to think that being an assassin is cool.  He's sitting right in the middle of the approval bar right now, even though I give him gifts.  Ah well.  He hasn't gotten his gloves yet, that will warm him up.

[Thor Rand Al]

Sandtigress wrote...

Thor Rand Al wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

[snip]

My PC's already proven hard-headed about such things - she put off letting Alistair tell about his father when we got to Redcliffe, and got the most amusing surprise when Eamon wanted to put Alistair up for king (thanks Freckles for the suggestion!).

You're welcome. That was a fun way to play it for a change, I must say. Did you like the PC's avilable responses?

Is there any negativity if you put him off on telling you??

I believe I got -5 approval.  I got more disapproval for letting Jowan out of his cell, and made that back at least when I gave him his mother's amulet.

Would it work if you left him at camp n go to redcliff; I'm thinking he'll still show up but doesn't hurt to ask lol

[Sandtigress]

No idea, actually. I might have to redo Redcliffe tonight, depending on where my last save file is, so I could try and give it a go, depending on what time I get home. At least I have a save spot conveniently before Redcliffe.

[Addai]

Sandtigress wrote...

I believe I got -5 approval.  I got more disapproval for letting Jowan out of his cell, and made that back at least when I gave him his mother's amulet.

You can avoid getting disapproval if you let Jowan out, insist that he come with you, then say "beggars can't be choosers, come with me or stay."  Jowan will stay in his cell and you get no negatives with companions, at least that I've found.

[Sandtigress]

Yeah, they don't disapprove in that case, but I was nice to Jowan and just let him out to help as he could. Wynne didn't care, but Alistair strongly disliked it. -9!

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

lol  So basically you fall in love with him after seeing his shrew of a sister and telling him needs to stick up for himself?  A pity romance, much? 

Hahaha, I always go for Zevran with my noble marrying poor Ali for political reasons, but being the curious person I am about dialog, I've tried all variants of that romance.  My favorite is turning on the romance just before the landsmeet, making him king with my PC by his side, then telling him about the heir thing, "not for lack of trying!" and seeing his completely embarassed reaction.

As an aside, when he discusses the heir situation, if you tell him "Not your heir" at friendly, he doesn't mind (-5 approval, but says he's ok with it) but if you say it at love, ooooh, does he get mad (-15 approval, and he is definitely ticked off).  I can't help it though.  My PC at least wants to try for that heir with Zevran!

Ha!  Alas, Zevran is not interested in my noble (imagine that!)  She won't flirt with him and is too much the knightly warrior to think that being an assassin is cool.  He's sitting right in the middle of the approval bar right now, even though I give him gifts.  Ah well.  He hasn't gotten his gloves yet, that will warm him up.

Hehehe, my human noble always tells Fergus about her 3 lovers at the beginning, plus Dairren!  She's a bit of a party girl (think, ummm, Paris Hilton I suppose, but with class).  She tells Alistair about all the lampposts she's licked, and a fling with an assassin is right up her alley.  Until, of course, it's not enough.

Unless Zev is staring at your noble however, even gloves won't help

[SurelyForth]

Even if you leave Alistair at camp when you go to cure the Arl, he's there when Eamon suggests putting him forth as the heir.

I left him at camp the first time I went to Redcliffe on my first mage playthrough so I didn't find out he was king until he showed up suddenly with me when I saved Eamon. I was also locked out of propositioning him during that playthrough; even though my approval was high enough I always got the "No, I'm not ready" when I'd ask him to my tent. I thought it might have been related to the fact I didn't know he was Maric's son, but it was probably just a glitch.

I actually prefer initiating the sex and then doing his quest much later, even if there are no "I love yous". It might not be as romantic, but it makes the relationship feel like something that progresses and it made perfect sense for my practical HN warrior to avoid too much sentimentality, even though she really liked him.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 janvier 2010 - 11:10 .

[Addai]

ejoslin wrote...

Hehehe, my human noble always tells Fergus about her 3 lovers at the beginning, plus Dairren!  She's a bit of a party girl (think, ummm, Paris Hilton I suppose, but with class).  

When do you get this option with Fergus?  I didn't see it, only the bit where you tell him you don't mind being sent to bed early because you've got someone waiting for you.  LOL at "you saucy minx."  I like Fergus, too bad you don't get more interaction with him.  It would be great to fight a battle with him or something.

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Hehehe, my human noble always tells Fergus about her 3 lovers at the beginning, plus Dairren!  She's a bit of a party girl (think, ummm, Paris Hilton I suppose, but with class).  

When do you get this option with Fergus?  I didn't see it, only the bit where you tell him you don't mind being sent to bed early because you've got someone waiting for you.  LOL at "you saucy minx."  I like Fergus, too bad you don't get more interaction with him.  It would be great to fight a battle with him or something.

It's at that part -- your sister in law tells you you must be discrete if it's true.  I like Fergus, too.  I just wish Dairren wasn't such a . . . well, modded he's not TOO bad.

[Thiefy]

Sandtigress wrote...

Okay, a few things so I dont screw up my HNF's story.

1)  You can do Alistair’s personal quest after Landsmeet, right?  I don’t see a reason why you wouldn’t be able to since Denerim is fair game post-Landsmeet, but stranger things have happened.

2)  He won’t proposition you for the night without having done his personal quest, yes?

3)  There is no way to keep Alistair and be his queen if you choose Loghain, I imagine?  I know hardened Alistair will still marry Anora, but I can’t see him marrying HNF if she picks Loghain over him, but I thought I would ask for curiousity’s sake.  Of course, if I went this route, then I’d need to do personal quest before Landsmeet, but anyways.

Thanks!

Not sure if your questions were answered directly since i only skimmed through. I saw most people didn't know the answer to 1 & 2.

Well, I do, because I've done this myself.

To answer #1, YES you can do the Goldana quest after the landsmeet, infact, her lines actually CHANGE as well, just slightly, if you have him crowned king.

#2 Alistair will only ask you to his tent if he is at 100% love. The only way to get 'love' status, even at 100% approval, is by finishing a companions personal quest.

#3 there's no way to keep Alistair and Loghaine. You always lose one for the other.
EDIT- oh btw...

Sandtigress wrote...

You know, I think I'll do Goldanna's thing just before Landsmeet, no camp visit prior to the meet.  I do want the poor guy to be in love with my PC before he gets engaged to her, after all.    Though this will probably be a two-save file thing, so I can see with him at Adore/Love.  Ahh, its a good thing I don't play too many other games on my PS3, because with all the alternative save files I've got going on, there won't be any room for anything else!

Actually you don't need him at love status. 'Adore' is fine, and you can start the relationship if you want to be more than friends. There are plenty of dailouge lines that start the romance with high enough approval - even one's that are availible at lower approval/at the beginning of the game have different meanings to him with more approval.

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 26 janvier 2010 - 02:31 .

[Sandtigress]

Heh, that Alistair can be quite forward when there's something that he wants! In trying to put off the romance for a little bit longer, I experimented with choosing "I don't know, its too early to tell" when he asks if PC could ever care for him the way he cares about her. He says "Well, is it too soon for this?" and sneaks a kiss from her!      Went back to the save just before and Al my lad, not talking to you until during or after the Deep Roads, you are much too brazen for my poor shy little noble!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 26 janvier 2010 - 04:48 .

[Addai]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

#2 Alistair will only ask you to his tent if he is at 100% love.

+90, actually.  At least in my game experience.

[_Aine_]

Sandtigress wrote...

, I experimented with choosing "I don't know, its too early to tell" when he asks if PC could ever care for him the way he cares about her. He says "Well, is it too soon for this?" and sneaks a kiss from her!      

No matter how many times my character gets this, I swoon in RL. And I am not a swooner. LOL  
Freaking game. *blushes and runs*  

[kessie63]

especially when he says , in that voice,...'makers breath but youre beautiful, i am a lucky man'


'swoooonnnn'

[Sandtigress]

Getting close to Landsmeet, so I have another quick question.



If Alistair marries HNF, do the epilogue slides mention his ruling ability at all? And if so, how do they change based on hardening/not hardening his personality? I hate the hardening line, so if it doesn't change the slide, I think I might not do it and just have a nice little story in my head about how she helps him grow up a little more assertive and the better ruler.

[ejoslin]

Sandtigress wrote...

Getting close to Landsmeet, so I have another quick question.

If Alistair marries HNF, do the epilogue slides mention his ruling ability at all? And if so, how do they change based on hardening/not hardening his personality? I hate the hardening line, so if it doesn't change the slide, I think I might not do it and just have a nice little story in my head about how she helps him grow up a little more assertive and the better ruler.

The slide about him is changed, he's a better ruler hardened.  The slide about the HNF changes depending on whether he (ever) loves her or has just always been friendly.

[Sandtigress]

Alas, hardened it is. Oh well. I'll just do it both ways so I can get the 'I love you" line that I love so much, but save the version where I harden him. Thanks e. :-)