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[HTTP 404]

nope you get the game when you get a new computer.  sorry.  I was going to go PC but looked up how the game would run and it was not worth it.  you gotta do the research.  Even then it may seem like a crap shoot.  For me if it is a crap shoot, I don't bother.

[AlanC9]

imo the G3258 is nothing but a "gimmick". i cant imagine that any "serious gamer" would buy/have bought a dualcore without HT in 2014, thats just, sorry, stupid.

That was kind of how I felt too, but the chip got a pretty good reception from places like Tom's Hardware

[b0709]

Apparently it needs to be repeated that dual core CPUs are still produced and sold, and many of them are fast enough to run any other current game. Not surprisingly too since they definitely have more power than the 360 and PS3, which most games are still developed for. And they also have more power than many quad core CPUs, especially those from a few years ago which are apparently still fast enough to at least start and run this game.

Everyone who tries to explain away the fact that this black screen issue is simply a bug by telling people that quad core CPUs would per se be better and faster and that everyone needs one regardless unfortunately only reveals how little they know about PC hardware and software.

It seems very strange indeed that BioWare and EA apparently don't care at all that they are preventing a significant number of players from playing this game.

Of course as usual they don't care much about any bugs as long as they already have the money, but I can only encourage everyone who has encountered this bug to let others know about it in forums and on review sites to help prevent others from buying a game they can't even start.

[Etragorn]

Not a bug, works as intended.

[Selea]

You mean swap in a new CPU to his existing rig? That might be a bit much, even assuming his mobo can take an upgrade.

As I said quad core CPUs of old generation are really really low price nowadays. He would spend more to buy another game to play it. As for the mobo taking the upgrade: usually a 3 core CPU and a 4 core CPU have the same LGA (it is the architecture that changes it, not the number of cores). But even if he has to change the Mobo, even both (mobo + CPU) would cost barely more than a new game nowadays.

[SunburnedPenguin]

Here's a true story;

 

Back in 2009, I built myself a sweet gaming rig in order to play DA:O (me) and Sims 3 (teenage daughter). I'm typing on her right now. She can handle DA:O, DA2, Sims 4, and LotRO all on ultra high settings, while running browser in the background and some other small tasks. She was a fantastic PC when I built her, and has never let me down. I will be very sad to retire her, but she is getting on a bit now and there is no way she will run DA:I.

 

I have known for months she does not meet the minimum requirements, and my new shiny PC is being delivered on friday (I just havn't had the time to build a new one myself this time).

 

I am fortunate to be able to get the credit to get a new one, not everyone is, I am genuinely sorry for those who cannot play yet.

 

While I understand that there are minimum requirements, I too am also a bit bewildered that dual cores are completely unusuable for this game. As a previous poster pointed out, some dual cores still being made a pretty good. I think this is a massive oversight and alienates too many fans from being able to play.

 

If they could provide versions for PS3, acknowledging that not everyone has a PS4 just yet, why could they not do the same for PC users?

[SunburnedPenguin]

As I said quad core CPUs of old generation are really really low price nowadays. He would spend more to buy another game to play it. As for the mobo taking the upgrade: usually a 3 core CPU and a 4 core CPU have the same LGA (it is the architecture that changes it, not the number of cores). But even if he has to change the Mobo, even both (mobo + CPU) would cost barely more than a new game nowadays.

 

You cant just put in a new mobo.

[Fidite Nemini]

Apparently it needs to be repeated that dual core CPUs are still produced and sold, and many of them are fast enough to run any other current game. Not surprisingly too since they definitely have more power than the 360 and PS3, which most games are still developed for. And they also have more power than many quad core CPUs, especially those from a few years ago which are apparently still fast enough to at least start and run this game.

Everyone who tries to explain away the fact that this black screen issue is simply a bug by telling people that quad core CPUs would per se be better and faster and that everyone needs one regardless unfortunately only reveals how little they know about PC hardware and software.

It seems very strange indeed that BioWare and EA apparently don't care at all that they are preventing a significant number of players from playing this game.

Of course as usual they don't care much about any bugs as long as they already have the money, but I can only encourage everyone who has encountered this bug to let others know about it in forums and on review sites to help prevent others from buying a game they can't even start.

 

 

Power means NOTHING when the program/game you want to run is multithreaded to a point where it requires more threads than your CPU, regardless of power, can handle.

 

 

That's like trying to drive a semi-truck through a tunnel that's too narrow/low. All the power of the engine won't get you through. And yes, current-gen console CPUs are extensively multithreaded, so that is EXACTLY the reason they can run the game and your precious more power per core dualcore can't. The truth is, in this day were parallelization is the new kid on the playground when it comes to both hard- and software, a dualcore CPU is not going to cut it if you want to play with the big boys.

 

THAT is the reason, and not some anti-dualcore conspiracy or whatever.

[reaver616]

Power means NOTHING when the program/game you want to run is multithreaded to a point where it requires more threads than your CPU, regardless of power, can handle.

 

 

That's like trying to drive a semi-truck through a tunnel that's too narrow/low. All the power of the engine won't get you through. And yes, current-gen console CPUs are extensively multithreaded, so that is EXACTLY the reason they can run the game and your precious more power per core dualcore can't. The truth is, in this day were parallelization is the new kid on the playground when it comes to both hard- and software, a dualcore CPU is not going to cut it if you want to play with the big boys.

 

THAT is the reason, and not some anti-dualcore conspiracy or whatever.

Let's not forget that i don't even have a duel-core, i have a triple core...

[Fidite Nemini]

Let's not forget that i don't even have a duel-core, i have a triple core...

 

Still only three threads, not the required four. Nevermind that tricores were a one-time experiment from AMD that never caught on and was quickly scrapped in favour for quadcore focus.

[Coyote X Starrk]

"System Requirements" Exist for a reason. 

 

You have no one to blame but yourself. 

[Deathangel008]

Let's not forget that i don't even have a duel-core, i have a triple core...

doesnt matter, 3 still isnt 4

[dlux]

Some AMD triple core CPUs can be unlocked to a quad core CPU in the BIOS. Might wanna try that.

 

If it doesn't work, then buy a quadcore CPU.

 

Still only three threads, not the required four. Nevermind that tricores were a one-time experiment from AMD that never caught on and was quickly scrapped in favour for quadcore focus.

AMD was salvaging quadcores with a defective core that didn't pass qaulity assurance.

[Sartoz]

Technically having a triple core is above the standard dual core, and this exceeds the "minimum system requirements".

You may be able to get your refund, if you're within your 24 hour limit. I'm sad that you couldn't get the game to run. Good luck.

Sorry... it does say Quad Core at x.xx GHZ in the min specs. 

 

He just posted to a community forum, for all to see, a rash decision and its inevitable consequences.

[reaver616]

Sorry... it does say Quad Core at x.xx GHZ in the min specs. 

 

He just posted to a community forum, for all to see, a rash decision and its inevitable consequences.

Its not just about one person misunderstand the requirements, its about Bioware locking the game off from everyone with less than a quad-core.

[Drogo45]

Its not just about one person misunderstand the requirements, its about Bioware locking the game off from everyone with less than a quad-core.

Are you really posting this?

[Deathangel008]

Its not just about one person misunderstand the requirements, its about Bioware locking the game off from everyone with less than a quad-core.

srsly, you cry too much. (and the game requires a quadthread CPU which also includes every dualcore Core i CPU.)

[Efvie]

srsly, you cry too much. (and the game requires a quadthread CPU which also includes every dualcore Core i CPU.)

 

 

No, it says: 

“AMD quad core CPU @ 2.5 GHz | Intel quad core CPU @ 2.0 GHz”

 

Why the game requires four cores is a bit of a mystery*, but it clearly does. For now, the best option is to just take a refund and wait for a possible solution.

 

* And probably something that can be solved, but at what cost? They could actually be using processor affinity that simply doesn’t scale to below 4. If the underlying design decisions are bad enough, it will not be an easy task to fix. On the other hand, it may be a far simpler bug, fixing which will let dual and triple cores run the game at some performance level.

[reaver616]

srsly, you cry too much. (and the game requires a quadthread CPU which also includes every dualcore Core i CPU.)

And you sound like a spoiled child, who cares nothing for the problems of others because your "mummy" buys you all the computer software you want.

[BammBamm]

Its not just about one person misunderstand the requirements, its about Bioware locking the game off from everyone with less than a quad-core.

 

 

damn this shitty game doesnt work on my amiga. damn you devs, this is personal!!

[Taura-Tierno]

Power means NOTHING when the program/game you want to run is multithreaded to a point where it requires more threads than your CPU, regardless of power, can handle.

 

 

That's like trying to drive a semi-truck through a tunnel that's too narrow/low. All the power of the engine won't get you through. And yes, current-gen console CPUs are extensively multithreaded, so that is EXACTLY the reason they can run the game and your precious more power per core dualcore can't. The truth is, in this day were parallelization is the new kid on the playground when it comes to both hard- and software, a dualcore CPU is not going to cut it if you want to play with the big boys.

 

THAT is the reason, and not some anti-dualcore conspiracy or whatever.

Was just about to write this. 

Speed does not matter if number of simultaneous threads is what limits it. 

 

Although a graceful failure with an error message "Insufficient number of cores" or something would probably have been nice. 

[reaver616]

damn this shitty game doesnt work on my amiga. damn you devs, this is personal!!

Wow, so funny . Apart from...i'm not complaining how DA:I refuses to run on my shitty computer, i'm complaining about how it refuses to work on a computer which can run AAA games very well.

[Deathangel008]

No, it says: 

“AMD quad core CPU @ 2.5 GHz | Intel quad core CPU @ 2.0 GHz”

DA:I needs 4 logical cores/threads, not 4 physical cores. dualcores with HT can run the game.
 

And you sound like a spoiled child, who cares nothing for the problems of others because your "mummy" buys you all the computer software you want.

yeah, call me a "spoiled child" because i call your constant crying about the fact that the game doesnt run on your ancient PC which is below the minimum requirements "crying"

oh, and its the hardware which is important for gaming, not the software.
 

Wow, so funny . Apart from...i'm not complaining how DA:I refuses to run on my shitty computer, i'm complaining about how it refuses to work on a computer which can run AAA games very well.

i guess you would also complain that, for example, Crysis3 doesnt run on DX10 cards...?
and once again: the fact, that you can run some games on a PC which is below the respective minimum requirements doesnt mean that you can run every game on this PC.
 

[octavian1127]

You can get some games to run below min specs, I've frequently done this on my laptop. But purchasing a game that's above you PC's ability to handle is always a gamble, and evidently you lost on this one. Sorry you can't run it, but you could always get a gaming desktop for a reasonable price that runs everything out atm at decent settings. It's not their fault you can't run it, and return policies are pretty much standardized across the industry.

[Efvie]

Was just about to write this. 

Speed does not matter if number of simultaneous threads is what limits it. 

 

Although a graceful failure with an error message "Insufficient number of cores" or something would probably have been nice. 

 

This is half the truth. A CPU core can physically run a certain number of threads in parallel, but the operating system can run thousands of threads in a single process by swapping out the threads that the CPU is currently executing. So just using the thread APIs in a normal manner, simultaneous physical threads going from 8 to 4 doesn’t mean rendering the game unusable per se, it simply spreads the load over fewer cores.

 

At some point there are simply too many, and the system will grind to a halt because all it’s doing is changing from one thread to the other; but it is a fairly large number. And game engines can do strange things to exacerbate the problem—by demanding that certain threads run on different cores, for example.

None of which is to say that the problem isn’t exactly that.