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[keesio74]

I ended up picking the Templars. Only because hindsight is 20/20 (spoilers). If I didn't use spoilers, I would have gone Mage. The game should have let us scope out the Templar situation a bit like you can do in Redcliffe before making a decision. I ranted in more detail here:

http://forum.bioware.../#entry18468872

 

I was going to conscript them but because the non-corrupt ones rallied to help me during the quest, I decided to give them a chance and ally with them. Still having second thoughts about that but I always feel that allies are much more loyal than people drafted into your ranks.

 

And still feel horrible for the mages who were kinda dragged into that Tevinter alliance (Connor, etc) and I basically abandoned them. IMHO the game did a good job of presenting a very "grey" choice

[keesio74]

So I read the background on Fiona (I didn't read the books) and I kinda feel bad I didn't go try to help the Mages. Part of it is what she had to go through in her past and the other part of it is all the DA:O connections. Duncan. Riordan. Maric. Alistair. Wynne. Being a Grey Warden. I have strong memories of DA:O and by far my connection to my Warden is the strongest vs Hawke and the Inquisitor. While I liked the Templar quest, there is no one there that has the strong DA:O ties like Fiona has.

[Pasta]

My first Inquisitor was a Mage. I chose Templar.

 

I've always been pro-mage from the previous games, but in this one, I feel like the tradition continues. The story implies that templars are baddies and mages need help. I'm tired of that and besides I was curious bout what happened to the Lord Seeker.

 

Good thing too though, cause I get to have Cole bby early and have the cutie Ser Barris

[molech322]

My first two inquisitors, male human and female Dalish went with the Mages. Due to their stupidity in allying with the Tevinter Venatori, I chose conscription as I felt they fit the profile of enemy combatants. The other reason was I did not want to kill Alistairs mother, Grand Enchanter Fiona. My next playthrough is a human warrior who will choose the Templars.

[Hadeedak]

Templars... Either because I was playing a dwarf who wasn't a huge fan of the magic and related shenanigans, or because I wanted to get Cole first.

 

Even I don't know which one.

[Vicious]

 The other reason was I did not want to kill Alistairs mother, Grand Enchanter Fiona. 

 

 

 my first playthrough i didn't even know i would have to kill her at all until she showed up in haven and laid waste to my party. 

[Eyes_Only]

Mages.

 

Because I see the Templar order being nothing but ruthless savages who use religion to justify the deaths of innocent mages.

 

Sure mages can become abominations. However during a mage's test where he/she enters the fade, should they take to long a Templar can simply kill him/her. No proof of being tempted. Templars pretty much treat mages as prisoners. And just about bind them up like a chain gang when they get to go outside. They keep bottles of mage blood so they can always track a mage down. They will kill a mage simply for running away. They will kill all the mages in a circle if they fear corruption within the ranks.

 

How is that any life to live if your unlucky to happen to have magic traits? The mage rebellion was a necessary evil but it sure as heck woke everyone up to the issue. Chantry authority allowed Templars to kill mages pretty much on a whim. Not just in Kirkwall. But anywhere.

 

I will always support mages because I personally hate bullies and religious zealots.

 

However one of these days I will force myself to stomach a play through siding with the Templars in DA2 and DAI just to see what its like.

[StarcloudSWG]

Mages. The Templars have forgotten their purpose and that they're NOT the mage's jailers and prison guards.

[Cadeym]

Anyone remember the quests in DA2 where mages were made tranquil for almost no reason at all.

 

Yeah I know we encounter alot of "evil" mages throughout the DA games, but i'm fairly sure that more people have died to swords and arrows than spells throughout the DA history.

 

P.S. Tevinter enslaving people is bad because people shouldn't be enslaved... but the chantry enslaving mages is a good thing... because they are just a minority, and we all know that the greater good trumps everything else... oh and magic is dangerus because if a mage loses their temper then they might be a danger to everyone around them... which is why nobody has ever died to a sword, dagger, arrow or an insane elf that punches a noble to death during a conversation with absolutely no option to stop the psycho.

[Tenjin Nimaime]

On my first playthrough, I went with Mages. I honestly couldn't think of any reason to do anything else. I'd sided with the mages in the first two games. Also, lets look at the setup for these.

 

Mages: HOLY COW GUYS TEVINTER IS HERE AND RIPPING HOLES IN TIME HELP.

 

Templars: Seeker Lambert is a huge dick. This is mildly out of character to Cassandra, but if you read Asunder, it fits pretty well with his behavior.

 

This said, I actually much prefer the Templar mission. I feel way more for the templars in this game than the mages. Also their mission just feels way more satisfying to me. I love it SO MUCH. Also, I love Calpernia. She is a much more interesting character to me than Samson. I just wish that the game did a better job of making their mission look as important as the mage's, so that I could justify picking it.

[Dalendria]

Dalish Hunter.  Freed and allied with mages.

 

Why?  she felt the mages were as oppressed as elves - dalish and city.  So once she had the power, she freed them to end the oppression and create a new day.  hopefully, one where mages would not be feared and could police themselves.

[JadeDragon]

My mage hakwe sided with the mages so i already went into this game deciding my inquisitor was gonna side with templars. Then when cullen gave me a reason as far as the antimagic can help close the breach i was sold. I met with the mages at the tavern and while dorian told me of there present threat the templars was unknown to my inquisitor and fearing they also may be in danger decided to check up on them. Plus my inquisitor was. pro chantry rogue so allying with templars was better to him then conscripting mages.

[queenhannah]

Inquisition was my first DA game so i had no idea what was going on, really. I chose mage as my class, and didn't know I had to end up choosing. Anyway, I'm pretty sure I picked mages after finding out the templars were killing refugees who even looked like mage sympathizers (like the elf with a shovel who was killed by templars). So, yeah. I picked mages in my first, as well as my second because I loooooove to make Cullen upset.

[Underdog2204]

Even though I usually play as a mage Inquisitor I can't help but find my sympathy for mage's diminishing in subsequent playthoughs. I have always been very pro-mage but now the whole rebel faction is getting on my nerves.

 

First off alot of what the mages have actually done is all off camera, templars are d*** as soon as you get to Val Royeaux but at least we see it. Mages on the otherhand are shown just politely asking you to go to Redcliff to meet them, ok fine this goes with my pro-mage mentality. You get to Redcliffe and find a few things, Fereldan's have been forcibly removed from their homes (including the arl), tranquil mages have been killed to make the ocularium's, Fiona has indentured all of them (even the mages who don't want to be there) into servitude and there are mages there who openly support what Tevinter does... Now I'm sorry none of these things are good or invoke sympathy from me and I'm not so ready to overlook them because it happened off screen and they say sorry... Again.

 

Next we have the templars who have been abused by the Chantry for years without complaint, as Cassandra says "Mage's have made their suffering known, but templars never have". Someone has to kill a mage who is possesed and who better than a templar? I mean mage's arn't great against demons since they are at risk themselves. It's so bad that even when you ally with the mages the first thing they do is complain to Cassandra about conditions... Bunch of whiny children who easily play the victim card... Mage's complain about everything and Templar's suffer and say nothing.

 

It surpised me how much my opinion of the two factions has changed so much. I always go templar now

[DanteYoda]

Mages because they are not religious zealots..

[Eyes_Only]

Well here I am on my third play through and for RP reasons and such, my qunari warrior chose the Templars. And I dislike them already.

 

Not only was their order corrupted, but everyone simply did as they were told. "Oh this red lyrium is harmless? ok. bottoms up!" Sure some thought it was odd but no one stood up against it until the Inquisition stepped in. At least my inquisitor disbanded the Templars and had them join the Inquisition instead of become allies with them.

 

I still believe the mage's cause was just. They had reason to rebel. Just because they possessed magic, they are no less human and should have the same rights as any other. The whole "magic is to serve man and not rule over him." has been taken far to literally. Forcing mages into servitude and then killing them at the hint of free will is not right.

 

I still believe mages should be allowed to co-exist with everyone else, govern themselves and be protected BY Templars. They should be allowed in the chantry.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Next we have the templars who have been abused by the Chantry for years without complaint, as Cassandra says "Mage's have made their suffering known, but templars never have". Someone has to kill a mage who is possesed and who better than a templar? I mean mage's arn't great against demons since they are at risk themselves. It's so bad that even when you ally with the mages the first thing they do is complain to Cassandra about conditions... Bunch of whiny children who easily play the victim card... Mage's complain about everything and Templar's suffer and say nothing.

 

It surpised me how much my opinion of the two factions has changed so much. I always go templar now

All of the practicality of being a templar is sound but what is so noble about enduring suffering? Templars are masochists so what? It's not some noble ideal. Most of the time the don't complain because templars are taught to be obedient and if they are not they get denied their lyrium rations. In other words they end up like Samson. Now if they were enduring suffering for a cause like Cullen to show his addiction doesn't control him then yeah that's noble but being an addict isn't.

[Underdog2204]

All of the practicality of being a templar is sound but what is so noble about enduring suffering? Templars are masochists so what? It's not some noble ideal. Most of the time the don't complain because templars are taught to be obedient and if they are not they get denied their lyrium rations. In other words they end up like Samson. Now if they were enduring suffering for a cause like Cullen to show his addiction doesn't control him then yeah that's noble but being an addict isn't.

 

So every templar is like Samson, but they are not like Cullen... Let's ignore the fact that most of them stop taking lyrium and follow Cullen's example (if you support him kicking the habit). The Chantry get's Templar hooked on lyrium because it makes them money and keeps them leashed to them. It's like saying if the armed forces were forced to take heroin it is not considered abuse because they are drug addicts, there is a major flaw in your agrument imo.

 

How many templars have been killed over the series doing their duty and protecting people from blood mage's and abominations? As soon as a mage get's killed everyone is like "oh noes templarz is evil!" and use some excuse as to why the mage had to do it...Conner nearly wiped out the whole of Redcliffe, but that's ok because he was trying to save his dad... Ok what about everyone else's family? Oh yeah Conner you killed them. So taking children to a Circle when they develop magic is a bad thing? Even though they make childish decisions (being children) that can get hundred's killed? Mage's are killed during the harrowing if they fail or hesitate because it's like containing a virus, it only takes one for it to spread amongst others. Who say's it's easy for templars to do it? I don't imagine most of them cheer afterwards...

 

Mage's are not as opressed as they like to believe, I mean they were allowed to vote for independance. Vivienne states the vote was no-where near conclusive and those who were against are left in a state of limbo, nevermind the tranquil. If they were so abused I would think the vote would be more one sided, don't you? I can think of worse things than being forced to live with people like myself, given a bed, meals and an education.

[MerchantGOL]

Mages have shown time and time again that they can't be trusted to run free. The second they don't have Templars keeping an eye on them, Blood magic, demons, Using there powers to mess every thing up.

 

Every.

 

Single.

 

Time.

 

While the templars are not, completely innocent, they serve a necessary purpose. And Viv as divine seems to create the best solution for every one.

 

Mages really don't work as  a civil rights issue it's more like gun control.

[MerchantGOL]

Mages don't kill people, magic does.

And only mages can use magic sooooo.

 

 

Edit: The Great thin about the Templar side, is that There war table missions are all about them doing what there's supposed to and doing it right, Saving a fledgling mage form an blood thristy mob, Putting down Abominations, and Blood mages All leading up to ser barris who who helped you during the  Quest being named knight commander which was one of my favorite moments.

[Cadeym]

Magic is magic - so says the wise Solas

 

Templar, reaver, seeker.. you name it, they all use magic in some form or another.

[Boost32]

Magic is magic - so says the wise Solas

 

Templar, reaver, seeker.. you name it, they all use magic in some form or another.

Solas wise? The same man who gave a poweful magical orb to a darkspawn magister and thought it was a good idea?

The next thing you are going to say is that Leliana is a good spymaster.

[Cadeym]

Hey, we don't know the long term goal.

 

It would have gone alot worse if he had given me the orb

[RinuCZ]

Mages. It was no brainer. Living in the world with only 3 choices:

- The life in prison with cushions and bullies for a rest of their lives

- Hiding for a rest of their lives with a fear of either being caught up by unchecked sadists or succumbing to demons

- Being robbed of your persona and becoming a living corpse doing anything at will of someone else for a rest of their lives

 

That is something which made me sick since DA:O and a lot of bad things happening in the past were natural outcomes of that regime. Well, I ended up with Cassandra as The Divine, so not much changed for them but at least they have an indepedent school teaching them a proper way how to handle their abilities or circles with loosened control and possibility of not being threatened into a tranquility anymore.