I wouldn't say it involved mages governing well given it sounded like the whole war would be starting again soon in the future only between the college and the circles instead of the Templars and the mages.
I chose the Templars because I felt like the game was trying to push "Templars are evil" crap and they seemed like a better option than a magister.
In what way? The leader of the Inquisition's forces is a former Templar, and a good number of our forces are Templars.
It's called "nuance."
But, yeah, since Magnus Trevelyan was a mage, who resented the Templars for treating a noble as they treated him, he sided with his brethren.
Mage alliance, because it's what I'd have done myself were I really in the situation.
Templars, and disbanded.
I can't ever side with the mages, except for DA:O. DA2 and DA:I don't really portray mages as evil, but they're really just very, very dumb.
If you've tried both, you'd noticed after the alliance; for mages, a former rebel mage (I want FREEDOM) will demand special treatment from the inquisition - to be treated like when they're in the circle - to be provided for. For the templars, they demand permission to murder mages helping the inquistion, which the templar claimed to know that those mages did some real nasty stuff before, in other words, to do his duty as a templar.
It's things like this that really don't paint a good picture for mages. Also, just to put this out there, pro-mage supporters always seem to conveniently forget or ignore why mages are "unjustly imprisoned" in the first place - and gosh! thinking exactly like the mages portrayed in the games. 
Templars, and disbanded.
I can't ever side with the mages, except for DA:O. DA2 and DA:I don't really portray mages as evil, but they're really just very, very dumb.
If you've tried both, you'd noticed after the alliance; for mages, a former rebel mage (I want FREEDOM) will demand special treatment from the inquisition - to be treated like when they're in the circle - to be provided for. For the templars, they demand permission to murder mages helping the inquistion, which the templar claimed to know that those mages did some real nasty stuff before, in other words, to do his duty as a templar.
It's things like this that really don't paint a good picture for mages. Also, just to put this out there, pro-mage supporters always seem to conveniently forget or ignore why mages are "unjustly imprisoned" in the first place - and gosh! thinking exactly like the mages portrayed in the games.
Mages because my Qunquisitor had no real loyalty to either side, so she was looking at it from a "who can help me seal the Breach" standpoint. As far as she knows:
Templars can cancel magic.
Mages can do pretty much anything.
Therefore, to her, it seemed wiser to take the mages as allies because they have PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER and will be happier (and less likely to betray her) if they aren't locked up in a dungeon.
Of course this backfired when the epilogue announced they'd made a College of Enchanters and promptly gone to war with the Circle... *grumbles*
Hey bud, Samson's got a shipment of red lyrium for you over there. Just sign on the dotted line.
And? The Templars issue was always with their leaders. The higher-ups. Thus my choice was to disband the bloody order.
If an organization's bad because of its leadership - change it. If it is bad because... it's just bad as a whole, then you're just waiting for something to explode.
And? The Templars issue was always with their leaders. The higher-ups. Thus my choice was to disband the bloody order.
If an organization's bad because of its leadership - change it. If it is bad because... it's just bad as a whole, then you're just waiting for something to explode.
Mages, I always side with the mages. And it made sense for my mage Inquisitor to do so and to ally with them. Vivienne was so angry with me after that and the follow up discussion xD
Someday maybe I'll do a templar run and disband them just to see the the content.
The Templars, and I disbanded the whole organization. I'll lead them to the right way, heh.
I found the mages not appealing for me.
"Mages always turn to TEH BLUD MAGIK whenever they get the chance. Mages make me sick. Except if they're the absolute symbol for all that is wrong with magic, the very magisters who unleashed the blight. That'd be awesome. Then I'll follow them and me and the boys will get drunk on blighted lyrium!" Samson logic.
So.....you're entire basis is that the Templars who were brain washed by a high demon (except maybe this Samson dude I presume as I have yet to do a Mage sided run) are worst than the mages that willingly coluded with the Tevinter Imprerium, them of blood magic, ritual sacrifices and slavery + then join forces with a magister with delusions of godhood? Yeah.......
The gunk on the bottom of my shoes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ser Barris. Whether they're running them "humanely", they're still about imprisoning people for a crime they have not committing.
Sorry, Magi are at a constant threat of demon domination. This isn't a debate, it is a fact. The constant comparison of a circle as some sort of prison and the mages in it as some sort or oppressed people is childish and embarassing. And please dont come in with real world comparison. People dont shoot lightning from their hands nor are tasty litttle treats for demons to anchor themselves in the world.
The great majority of problems we've seen with insane blood mages and abominations was the direct result of the templars tyrannical methods. Whether templar filth likes it or not, DAI's epilogue establishes that mages CAN govern themselves and handle it well.
Nope, the Templars of Kirkwall were toally right, there were Blood Mages abound in that circle, even those that were willingly summonging demons to pocess people, but who cares, MAGE FREEDOM > All innit? And also lets ignore the fact as is is borken and corrupt with so much blood and darkness in it's history that the veil is literally thin and affecting everyone anyway. It is a shitty place that should never be used to compare how other circles were run or how mages were treated.
Totally the good guys because there's one of them who doesn't try to rape dying refugees!
Yeah, and mages murdering tranquil to stick demons in their head as to create some sort of magic item tracker is all fine and dandy innit? Please, two can play at this.
Then you got a different epilogue than I did.
Yep, the mages go to war. Yay! Yeah, that was sarcastic by the way.
I chose Templars cuz 
Cole but I think the Mages are better story-wise cuz Fiona and ruler of Ferelden and stuff.
What astonishes me is that people like you can point the fingers at a some stupid mages as an excuse to persecute an entire minority while overlooking the templars' atrocities. Mages are a group of people who share a gene. They are not bound by choice or mindset. Templars are a group of people who willingly joined a religious military order with a specific doctrine. They are an infinitely more unified group. A group that has committed war crime after war crime. In Kirkwall, an apostate attacked the Chantry so the templars proceeded to commit genocide against their own civilian internees while ignoring the apostate that they know committed the crime. That is the very definition of a war crime. Every templar that participated in the rite of annulment should be executed. The only question should be "did it happen?" and once it was established that they did, every templar there, with Cullen at the front of the line, should be led to the headsman.
Why? The right of annulment is a legal act, and even if there was debate in regards to the validity of said annulment as Meredith has no offical sanction from the White Spire (or does it come from the Divine herself), the truth no one will care. The tower was full of blood mages and those dabbling in the dark arts (in hindsight admitedlly), and the simple fact is if there is a chance of even one being pocessed and potentially getting away to do horrible things, I rather them all die. It is a simple numbers game, kills a few and keep the larger populous safe. As you said, blame their genes, not Templars doing their job.
But I digress. While there certainly needs to be some magical policing, the Chantry and any other religious organization needs to keep its nose out of it. As long as they're going on TEH MAKER TELLS YOU TO KILL BECAUSE REASONS, these atrocities will continue on both sides. The templars for obvious reasons, and the mages because if you treat men like beasts, big surprise, they're eventually going to act like beasts.
...I give up. Like Beast? They had comfotable lives, surround by people who undestand them, the finest education (surpassing even the nobles of the age) and being protected from a larger world that fears them. They neve have to worry about hunger or poverty or any of the veryday things that screw over the mundanes every bloody day.
Their lives are regretfully limited, I acknowledge that, but it is a simple neccesity. But like beast? Bloody hell.
I went with the templars, then disbanded the order ( I picked templars because templars are corrupted by red lyrium which i did not have in skyhold, but MAGES can become abominations anywhere, they seemed the safer bet)
In DA2 i actually picked mages (I believe the mages were being backed into a corner, so last resort was blood magic. Still do think they were)
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I chose the templars and DISBANDED them! I felt their ISSUES always involved their LEADERSHIP = I support religious fanatics and will overlook any nasty stuff the templars commited and will demand the death of all mages!
In Kirkwall, didn't the hero have a choice to kill or allow the trigger happy one to flee? Wasn't the relations between the mages and templars like the soviets and US during the cold war, already at the tipping point. Then came a soviet (mage) who blew up the white house (Chantry) and killing the president (head of the chantry), thus driving the cocaine-driven general (red lyrim'd crazy hag) to call for an all-out war (Right of Annulment) against the soviets (mages).
Those who sided with the mages, missed an awesome
The reason it's bad should be obvious to anyone who has read any history. The tiniest shred. If you know Caesar is more than a salad, you should know the problem with the templars.
Here, I'll give you a clue. Remember that time that a bunch of religious fantastics had a huge military power and things went swimmingly and they didn't horribly abuse it? No, you don't? That's because it's never happened in the entirety of human history.
This isn't rocket science. Why do you think there's notes from templars to other templars talking about it's THEIR SACRED DUTY to murder anyone who doesn't give them whatever they want and how people who want to feed their children instead of roving butchers HAS LAIN WITH DEMONS? Turns out that when people can justify all their atrocities as being the will of some invisible boogeyman, they tend to act pretty horrible. Who knew? (Everyone except templar supports. That's who knew.)
Religion is fine.
Military is fine.
Religious military IS NOT FINE.
What astonishes me is that people like you can point the fingers at a some stupid mages as an excuse to persecute an entire minority while overlooking the templars' atrocities. Mages are a group of people who share a gene. They are not bound by choice or mindset. Templars are a group of people who willingly joined a religious military order with a specific doctrine. They are an infinitely more unified group. A group that has committed war crime after war crime. In Kirkwall, an apostate attacked the Chantry so the templars proceeded to commit genocide against their own civilian internees while ignoring the apostate that they know committed the crime. That is the very definition of a war crime. Every templar that participated in the rite of annulment should be executed. The only question should be "did it happen?" and once it was established that they did, every templar there, with Cullen at the front of the line, should be led to the headsman.
But I digress. While there certainly needs to be some magical policing, the Chantry and any other religious organization needs to keep its nose out of it. As long as they're going on TEH MAKER TELLS YOU TO KILL BECAUSE REASONS, these atrocities will continue on both sides. The templars for obvious reasons, and the mages because if you treat men like beasts, big surprise, they're eventually going to act like beasts.
I actually agree with a bunch of this, and i made sure cullen was in line to rule the templars by games end which he did! was happy about that
I actually agree with a bunch of this, and i made sure cullen was in line to rule the templars by games end which he did! was happy about that
Templars. The Mages were willingly siding with the Tervinter Empire, that was all I needed to know.
Templars today, Templars tomorrow, Templars forever.
Barris is a good myn and Fiona needs to die.
I was really surprised by Cullen in DAI. He's has a complete personality makeover. I wanted to crucify DA2 Cullen. DAI Cullen was great though.
I really like DA:I Cullen too. He's that uber-loyal Lieutenant type that I love to have around to handle the troops.
mages, after watching lucius punch that chick in val royeaux and fiona coming and asking politely for help.... i thought to myself, why the hell would i want an ass like lucius over someone who begged for my help... plus mages have a lot more uses than the templars... in a military tactics way... mages are a lot more versatile... next playthrough is as a warrior, and i think i will side with templars... just for other side of story...
As far as personal views go, i would grab both of them and slap them around till they get in line or till they are both wiped out. This aint kindergarten ppl, sit down shut up and help us, or we will make it so you dont trouble anyone again.
Templars.
I played a Fem!Trevelyan who had perhaps felt the call to serve in her youth, but...for whatever reason her life had taken a different turn, but she was still a devoted Andrastian who believed in the Circles and that idealised version of the Templar Order you still bump into here and there. All that 'Knights in Shining Armour Protecting the World' stuff. Jumped at the chance to serve at the Conclave. She agreed with Cullen when he argued against powering up the Mark or the Breach in an attempt to close it. Why use magic to fight magic when you can just deny it, right? So the Templars were already vastly more appealing to her. Then, while she felt poorly for the mage situation, it just made more sense for her to try to 'save' the templars. Either that weirdness with Alexius would sort itself out--or she'd just have an army of magic-denying templars to throw at them later. Win-win! Let's just forget about all that weird that one moustached guy was talking about! Much easier to just swoop in and 'rescue' a bunch of knights sworn to serve the Maker from that crazy idiot who is convincing his followers to punch priests. She was really offended by that.
And even though she'd intended to preserve the Templar Order--partly out of a sense of familial responsibility--she ended up absorbing them into the Inquisition because it seemed to her as though they'd do better under Cullen's leadership than promoting from within after they seriously mishandled their issues--really, Trevvie was starting to try and do things she thought Cullen would like by that point, too. He actually talked her out of going through the process of becoming a Templar. He's not exactly subtle about his status as a former member of the Order and I think, given how I regarded Trevelyan's background given the description we had, she would've been more comfortable and respectful of him almost immediately than she would have of a Seeker or a Spymaster. He's got the weight of command behind his words, after all.
I did hit up the mages on my second playthrough and I have to say that was a very satisfying questline. Though I did sort of feel as though I was being prodded toward helping the mages in a very particular way once I went down that road. Felix is easily in my top five favorite newcomers (if not out of all the characters) in Inquisition, so I was more than happy to support mages on my Adaar. He doesn't know much about the Chantry or the Qun. But, if it's magical weird...why not go to the experts? So mages for him. Also, Adaar was more receptive to the whole 'Time Magic' thing being 1) a real thing and 2) an actual problem that he should fix. Not that he was going to release the mages back to their own authority, mind you.
Trevelyan wanted the familiarity of a bunch of people with the sun-shield and the sword of mercy running around. Adaar just wants the problems to go away. xD
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