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[AmberLynx]

I picked Templars, because it was logical for my character. She is a noble rogue given her origin, many of her family serve in the Order. After the first meeting with Templars in Val Royeaux she suspects that something suspicious is going on within the Order, worried for her relatives she naturally chooses to investigate the Therinfall redoubt.

 

I disbanded the Templars instead of allying with them, because one can only ally with someone equal. Order is disintegrating as organization, with Templars lost all their leaders to red lyrium and their current structure needing serious transformation. My Trevelyan conscripted the Templars to give them the chance to redeem themselves and reform the order under Cullen's careful supervision. 

[Vicious]

templars because it seemed more pressing, Mages offered their help, they weren't going anywhere. [in character of course]

 

Who could guess they'd throw their lot in with the Venatori? Nobody.

[Dean_the_Young]

I sided with the mages my first playthrough not so much for mage vs. templar reasons (the choice isn't even set up as 'who do you like?') as meta and RP reasons.

 

Meta-wise, I was curious as to how the game would present and reflect the mage scenario. Rather than hear about it first from people who pick it for ideological reasons, I wanted my own perspective on what was involved in a mutually exclusive route. I will happily pick Templar for another playthrough, but I wanted to see the mage route with my own eyes.

 

RP-wise, though, even though I am playing a mage who was sympathetic to mages in general (though my mage is not a revolutionary), the real RP reason was to investigate the cause behind Justinia's death- and figure out what was behind the not-Fiona who invited me to the real Fiona. I went to Redcliffe before making the choice, and the entire imposter angle plus the revelation of time magic used to recruit the mages made the Magister an obvious suspect of involvement. Combine that with the out of character (suspicious and worth investigating) but rude handling by the Templar Commander earlier, and she chose the more sympathetic and clearer line of investigation.

 

 

Always mages and alliance because you will have full support and loyalty...Fiona unfortunately cant be removed but she is far better and experienced then Vivienne, and she have more indluence so it is better to make alliance not force them.

 

coughsoldherselfandthemagesintoslaverytomaleficarcough

 

 

Sorry, something in my throat. I think I choked on Fiona's unapologetic fail.

 

 

[Dean_the_Young]

Simple: whereas the mages add power to the mark (at least that's what it sounds like, I have not actually seen what they do), the Templars weaken the mark's target itself so it requires less power to be closed.

Because that's what Templars do: suppress magic, which itself is just raw power drawn out of the Fade.

 

Plus, the solution for any general magic problem in Thedas ends with sticking it with a sword. Archdemons, abominations, enemy mages... sometimes you have to go through a few hoops, maybe a ritual or two along the way, but then you finish them up by going about and sticking them with something sharp and pointy.

 

[Boost32]

mages, after watching lucius punch that chick in val royeaux and fiona coming and asking politely for help.... i thought to myself, why the hell would i want an ass like lucius over someone who begged for my help...

thats funny, because both Fiona in Val Royeaux and Lucius

Spoiler

are the same person

[Rifneno]

thats funny, because both Fiona in Val Royeaux and Lucius

Spoiler

are the same person

Is this actually confirmed anywhere? I was under the assumption that it really was Fiona in Val Royeaux. But Alexius had not yet gotten to Redcliffe and used his time magic. When he did get there, he went back and and made a deal with Fiona. Having a deal with Alexius, Fiona never goes to Orlais to ask the Inquisitor for help. Fiona doesn't remember the events of the original timeline but the Inquisitor does because shut up.

[Boost32]

Is this actually confirmed anywhere? I was under the assumption that it really was Fiona in Val Royeaux. But Alexius had not yet gotten to Redcliffe and used his time magic. When he did get there, he went back and and made a deal with Fiona. Having a deal with Alexius, Fiona never goes to Orlais to ask the Inquisitor for help. Fiona doesn't remember the events of the original timeline but the Inquisitor does because shut up.

its not confirmed, but it would be impossible for her to leave redcliff (the mages who tried, ended being killed by the Templar's siege).

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the plan was to trick you, to go to redcliff and not to therinfall. Alexius was waiting tour arruval in redcliff, he set up a trap and invited you you the castle.
If you go to therinfall, the envy demon is surprised (he was specting for you to go to redcliff), and say you interfered with his plan before he could corrupt all the templars.

[Mistress9Nine]

IMO if you didn't play the previous games you basis for making this choice was rather poor. Cullen gives a "maybe the templars can help as well, I'm not sure but it is possible, so I would do it even if we are sure that the mages CAN do this, but also the templars might" endorsement, which is hardly convincing. Now of course from the perspective of the player, you obviously know that there is no "bad choice" that can ruin the game, but still, I found it hard to make that decision solely based on my Inquisitor's knowledge of the situation.

 

Anyways, I went the mage route of course. Can't betray my bretheren.

[Ianamus]

I went after the mages, solely because they came to me offering support and the Templars were just rude to me.

[Dean_the_Young]

I went after the mages, solely because they came to me offering support and the Templars were just rude to me.

 

Technically they didn't.

[TK514]

I went with the Templars.  I initially headed to Redcliffe to enlist the mages and was so stunned by Fiona's staggering stupidity and incompetence, along with the obvious lack of support among mages there for the Rebellion, that I felt like I needed to go recruit an army of loyal Templars to come round them up for their own good.

 

I'm starting a playthrough where I'll recruit the mages instead, so I can see if they redeem themselves in some way, but to say I was surprised by how badly it looks like Fiona botched things would be an understatement.

[Lucky Mame]

I chose Mages. Probably because I don't really like Templars. Also because I wouldn't want to kill Fiona. She has a certain child after al.

[WildOrchid]

Mages, next playthrough i'll choose Templars to see how it is.

[KaiserShep]

Considering what you're trying to do, it just seems to make more sense to go with mages. I know Templars can negate magical effects, but the collective might of a mage legion seems the more sensible route for such an extreme situation. That, and it seems more fitting when Cole tells us that the Elder One is angry that the Inquisitor snatched the mages from under him.

Also, Cassandra accurately points out that a hostile presence is basically running Redcliffe and should be dealt with.

[Dean_the_Young]

I went with the Templars.  I initially headed to Redcliffe to enlist the mages and was so stunned by Fiona's staggering stupidity and incompetence, along with the obvious lack of support among mages there for the Rebellion, that I felt like I needed to go recruit an army of loyal Templars to come round them up for their own good.

 

I'm starting a playthrough where I'll recruit the mages instead, so I can see if they redeem themselves in some way, but to say I was surprised by how badly it looks like Fiona botched things would be an understatement.

 

I sincerely enjoyed the mission, and I think you will to. I don't know how the Templar route plays out (and please don't tell me), but in the mage route you get to see... a different side of Leliana, to say the least. And a different side to the danger of mages, beyond 'for the evilulz.' In all honesty, I thought it humanized what could have been a very trite and one-sided throw-away villain.

 

But yes, Fiona was... not a leader to establish confidence. Not from her record, or her justifications.

[KainD]

What's with the templar backward thinking btw? Why did they join Cory? They are against mages and he is technically a mage as well and has many Tevinter mages among his ranks, which should be viewed as something worse by the templars. 

[TK514]

Mainly because the Hinterlands seem chock full of little codex entries that describe how the Templars are doing things like killing anyone who harbors mages and quests of them killing people carrying shovels think that it's a staff.

 

It's called "the opposite of nuance."

 

To be fair, I found just as many instances of people decrying the mages as villains, and a good chunk of the mages you encounter outright tell you they don't agree with the rebellion and think it was a terrible idea.  In fact, most of the ones you can talk to in Redcliffe say that.

[Navasha]

Definitely mages first.   Templars will always be seen as the oppressors to me.   My first playthrough of any game is generally with my "good" heroic type character, thus mages were the only real choice.  

 

Eventually I will get around to choosing the Templars with my selfish power-hungry playthrough character. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Considering what you're trying to do, it just seems to make more sense to go with mages. I know Templars can negate magical effects, but the collective might of a mage legion seems the more sensible route for such an extreme situation. That, and it seems more fitting when Cole tells us that the Elder One is angry that the Inquisitor snatched the mages from under him.

Also, Cassandra accurately points out that a hostile presence is basically running Redcliffe and should be dealt with.

 

I feel you can make a good case either way- especially if you hear Casandra and Solas's discussion on how Templar abilities work in practice. Once the question of the Veil Tier itself is done, the rest comes down to which justification you would like to use. Casandra's concern about the OOC nature of the Templar leader, an argument that the war could be ended sooner if the Templar chain of command is brought into line vis-a-vis the disorganized mages, or the relative merits of getting a few hundred mages versus possibly a few thousand templars to aid the Inquisition in securing the regions.

 

There's also the point that the mutually exclusive nature of the choice is purely meta, and not supported in-game. You can rationalize an intent to recruit one and then another- and if you know that the Venitori in Redcliffe have access to time magic and are intending on setting a trap for you, wanting magic-cancelling Templars to mitigate a time trap would be more than defensible.

[Dean_the_Young]

To be fair, I found just as many instances of people decrying the mages as villains, and a good chunk of the mages you encounter outright tell you they don't agree with the rebellion and think it was a terrible idea.  In fact, most of the ones you can talk to in Redcliffe say that.

 

I agree with the impression. I was honestly pleasantly surprised at how neither the mages or the Templars were depicted as the 'bad' faction in the war. Both were harming innocents with their actions, and both had groups that dissented, regretted, or simply didn't care and lived up the villainy. There were also supporters for both sides (albeit nowhere near as many as the people who disliked both).

[TK514]

What's with the templar backward thinking btw? Why did they join Cory? They are against mages and he is technically a mage as well and has many Tevinter mages among his ranks, which should be viewed as something worse by the templars.

The loyal Templars don't follow Corypheus. It's only after the Mage/Templar war is over that the Red Templars openly declare support, and fhey're all corrupted or insane from Red Lyrium use.

[LegendaryBlade]

Definitely mages first.   Templars will always be seen as the oppressors to me.   My first playthrough of any game is generally with my "good" heroic type character, thus mages were the only real choice.  

 

Eventually I will get around to choosing the Templars with my selfish power-hungry playthrough character. 

There is nothing good or heroic about siding with Tervinter, the mages played with fire and got burned for it. Consider the following; if the Templars march against you at Haven it's because of the red lyrium influence, if the Mages do then it's because they are willingly and consciously attacking you.