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[LaughingWolf]

I sided with mages, primarily because crazy cultists playing with time magic sounds more important than just "******* templar leader is being a dick". At the time you have to make a choice, you don't know anything about the Envy Demon or possibility of red templars.

The choice is basically:

Templar leader is a dick, and perhaps not all templars will follow him and side with us.

The mages have given into servitude to crazy Tevinter cultists that not only have an obsession with the Herald and seized Redcliffe, but are also playing with time magic.

The latter sounds like the more pressing concern to me

[keesio74]

Also just to be clear - if I understood correctly, there are still a ton of mages who oppose the rebellion (since it was a near 50/50 split). Vivienne says those mages that opposed are under her. Does that mean all those mages support a templar alliance? Does Vivienne support a Templar alliance? And where are those mages who opposed? Are they being forced by Fiona to join the rebellion or arr they actually under Vivienne?

[keesio74]

Sorry - one more question: if you end up siding with Mages, does that mean that the Circle and all that stuff is completely dead and Mages are free from Chantry rule? Or if you conscript them, does that mean they are udner Inquisition rule even after the war and the Inquisition "polices" them

 

Basically I'm wondering if you can side with the Mages but bring back some of the "oversight of Mages"

[LadyJaneGrey]

Mages.  My Dalish mage wasn't convinced that the Chantry army who hunts down apostates wouldn't kill her on the spot rather than help the Inquisition close the Rift. 

[LadyJaneGrey]

Sorry - one more question: if you end up siding with Mages, does that mean that the Circle and all that stuff is completely dead and Mages are free from Chantry rule? Or if you conscript them, does that mean they are udner Inquisition rule even after the war and the Inquisition "polices" them

 

Basically I'm wondering if you can side with the Mages but bring back some of the "oversight of Mages"

 

You can - it depends on who's Divine at the end.

[ThreeF]

Also just to be clear - if I understood correctly, there are still a ton of mages who oppose the rebellion (since it was a near 50/50 split). Vivienne says those mages that opposed are under her. Does that mean all those mages support a templar alliance? Does Vivienne support a Templar alliance? And where are those mages who opposed? Are they being forced by Fiona to join the rebellion or arr they actually under Vivienne?

Yes, she approves and she wants "true templars".

 

It's unclear, but among the rebels there are those who opposed but had no choice but to join.

[Ashagar]

Some of the mages were opposed but joined either to A. avoid being killed by Templars, B. felt they had no choice because of the majority vote or C. by other mages who were killing other mages for not joining the rebellion. That being said there is indeed a sizable faction of mage loyalists and sizable numbers who refused to join either side and either tried to hide or lock themselves in their towers and hoped things would calmed down.

[keesio74]

B. felt they had no choice because of the majority vote or C. by other mages who were killing other mages for not joining the rebellion.

 

 I thought Fiona and Vivienne agreed to a split where Fiona took the rebels and Vivienne took the loyalists. Or maybe I misunderstoond Vivienne's comments.

[Ashagar]

There's evidence at least some of the rebel mages were killing people for not joining. The Human Mage Inquisitor's mentor, the first enchanter of Ostwick is killed by a rebel mage and Cole finds a memory from Vivienne about a archivist from her circle that was killed by rebel mages because she refused to join the rebellion, she doesn't take well to Cole bringing up that memory.

[fhs33721]

I chose the mages because it just makes more sense story wise.

In Val Royeux the templars basically behave like total d*cks and seem to have no interest at all to negotiate with the Inquisition.

Meanwhile Fiona (or at least what the Inquisitor thinks is Fiona) is civil and invites you to Redcliffe to discuss how to close the breach.

You don't know that any demons or evil metals are involved with the templars yet. All you know is that the Lord seeker is behaving different than he did in the past. For all we know at this point he could've just decided to be an total as*hole one day (which funnily enough is exactly  what the real Lord Seeker Lucuis did after reading the seekers secret book).

So do you rather go to the mages, which seem interested in negotiations or to the templars which sit around somewhere, probably still behave like total jerks and could just easily say "Not interested in anything from you! Go away!" to the Inquisition again?

Of course, unless you are RPing as a total mage hater that doesn't want anything to do with mages, the mages are the smart solution.

And once you actually find out what is going on in Redcliffe "Crazy tevinter cultists on our doorstep that warp time and threaten to rip reality itself apart" are pretty much a higher priority than "We could still try to negotiate with the templars, who still sit around somewhere on the other end of Fereldan and probably still behave like total d*cks."

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 I went to the Templars first because I find mages are generally not very reliable -- for every one like your PC or your companions, there are like 10 Jowans.

[synnerman]

Mages, always. I hate the templars. Although, I will eventually do a playthrough just to see the Templar story. However, after the Red Templars, the Templar letter to the Divine and the secret of the Seekers regarding Tranquility, my default setting is Pro Mage, especially since possession seems to only happen by choice.

[BiHyun1803]

I'm playing mage and chose templar side this time, my next playthrough will be warrior templar and I will pick mage.
reason: both sides can be friend. :3

[Mirrman70]

I chose Templars simply because they seem to be the greater military asset against demons and would be gods.

[keesio74]

There's evidence at least some of the rebel mages were killing people for not joining. The Human Mage Inquisitor's mentor, the first enchanter of Ostwick is killed by a rebel mage and Cole finds a memory from Vivienne about a archivist from her circle that was killed by rebel mages because she refused to join the rebellion, she doesn't take well to Cole bringing up that memory.

 

If you side with the mages, what happens to the Templar order at the end of the game? Do they cease to exist or can you rebuild them?

[DuskWanderer]

If you side with the mages, what happens to the Templar order at the end of the game? Do they cease to exist or can you rebuild them?

 

It's never mentioned. The ending is mutually exclusive.

 

 

Honestly, I preferred the Templars. The mages sucked pretty much all the time, and, considering they killed everyone else who didn't side with them, and then killed the Tranquil to do the oculara things, they deserve to get creamed. The Templars were at least mindjacked because they were forced on Red Lyrium: Venatori don't brainwash.

[SetecAstronomy]

Mages, simply because I heard it involved time travel, and I loves me some chocolatey science fiction in my peanut buttery fantasy.

[samb]

I picked Templars because I wanted to personally thank the Lord seeker for punching that poor old lady.

Seriously, I wanted to know why the Templar just went crazy. I basically knew the mages were basically refugees and felt their plight was more shallow. The Templars were more murky. Like WTF is going on here? I wanted to know.

[Barquiel]

If you side with the mages, what happens to the Templar order at the end of the game? Do they cease to exist or can you rebuild them?

That depends on who becomes the divine. Since Leliana dissolves the Circle of Magi, templars are no longer needed in her ending and I suppose the order is gone forever (which is fine by me, it was rotten to the core). The surviving templars either stay with the Inquisition or join the Seekers of Truth if they are reformed. Cassandra and Vivienne essentially rebuild the Circles and Templars.

[Lord of Mu]

Usually Mages, I've picked the Templars once but didn't really like the end result.

 

Honestly, I think both the Circle of Magi and Templar Order have some pretty bad design flaws. If I had a say in changing things I think the Seekers might be the better option for policing and protecting a new Circle of Mages and the new Circle itself should offer a lot more freedom to its members. Train mages, let them prove their ability to not give into demonic temptation and then allow them to live fairly normal lives outside the circle. Some mages want to raise crops, or families or do something other than be a prisoner stuck up in a tower.

[keesio74]

If I had a say in changing things I think the Seekers might be the better option for policing and protecting a new Circle of Mages and the new Circle itself should offer a lot more freedom to its members. Train mages, let them prove their ability to not give into demonic temptation and then allow them to live fairly normal lives outside the circle. Some mages want to raise crops, or families or do something other than be a prisoner stuck up in a tower.

 

I assume that this option is best possible if you side with Mages and conscript them? I definitely agree that there needs to be reform all around. Mages need for freedom and rights. Templars need to back off (a lot in many cases). But Mages needs some kind of oversight and guidance. Just trying to decide if it is Templars or no.

[MikaelNovasun]

If you side with Templars mages are still in the circle of magi but they self govern, and no longer deal with constant Templar guard. The Templars are more of a protective force acting when a demon or abuse of magic threatens innocents whether they are a mage or non-mage. Cassandra really is the best choice for divine with her moderate/gradual changes to the circles, seekers and templars. Expecting mage freedom and drastic changes to the chantry not coming back to bite you in the case of Leliana is wearing blinders.

 

By the end of the game you have two examples of society with mages given complete autotomy that do not turn out well. The Elven society with its most powerful magic users at the top with worshipers and slaves beneath them, and tervinter(in present day) again with the most powerful at the top and non-mage slaves/"waiting sacrifices" at the bottom. Two examples in history of Thedas where are mages given complete freedom with no oversight or counter balance, lets not learn from history but repeat it >.<. Cirlces as quasi prisons are not the answer, tried that failed. Circles set up as learning centers and the Templars protecting the people imo is the best option.

[ironhorse384]

I picked the mages because I did in the first two games and wished to remain consistent.

[Fiskrens]

My mage picked templars "first" as a reconciliation act - and because I thought that I would be able to do mages afterwards. That's what you get for not reading quests enough...

[Rekkampum]

I chose the mages the first time, mainly because of Fiona's history. Studying her could lead to a way to combat the Calling and possibly remove the taint from Grey Wardens.

 

Second time, the Templars. I like both of the quests related to them - especially the Mage one because time magic! - but I found the Templar storyline had a more compelling and grounded premise. Sad that Corypheus never truly lived up to any of the hype he garnered in those two.