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[Battlebloodmage]

The distribution of romance choices is very curious to me.  We have the following NPCs:

 

1 heterosexual female

3 heterosexual males

1 homosexual female

1 homosexual male

1 bisexual female

1 bisexual male

 

It seems like they went overboard trying to be edgy and avoid being criticized.  The average player is a hetero male (statistically speaking) and they are, it seems to me, going to want females to romance.  This game has more males than females to romance, so that's a strange design choice.  It also has an equal number of homosexual+bisexual to heterosexual romance options, I also find that a strange design choice.

If you want to speak statistic, the people who actually use the romance options were the minority.

[staindgrey]

Asexuality covers both romantic as well as aromantic asexuality.

 

Your parenthetical is confusing.  Why even bring up that you have some hidden (I assume negative?) opinion if you truly wanted to keep it to yourself?

Because I didn't truly want to keep it to myself, but this isn't the place to have such a discussion. It was a passive aggressive statement, I guess.

 

I live in an area wherein everyone feels the need to identify themselves as something other than "straight" or "cisgendered", and it grates at me when I can tell that it's less about who they truly are and more about who they're trying not to be. Plus, they've picked quite possibly the ugliest word available to describe "cisgendered" people. That being said, I support people being exactly who they are without fear of persecution, and I don't support majorities claiming, "I'm the majority, therefore I need to be treated disproportionately because there's more of me."

 

DA:I has offered a lot of things I welcome on these subjects, such as addressing individual characters' sexuality in the form of race, culture, etc. instead of making everyone bi for the main character, and how they approached the transgendered member of the Chargers (I forget his name at the moment) was very graceful. The topic of "straight people are mistreated" regarding LIs gets annoying, but the opposite, for me, gets just as annoying.

[Han Shot First]

If you want to speak statistic, the people who actually use the romance options were the minority.

 

To be fair though, the majority of players don't actually complete games. And with a couple exceptions most of the romance arcs in prior games don't actually lock in until fairly late in the games.

 

I wonder if the statistic on romances only tracks achievements for completed romance arcs, or if it is tracking any initiated romance dialogue regardless of whether or not that romance arc is completed. If it is the former, it wouldn't be a good gauge on the interest (or lack thereof) of the romance content since the percentage would be lowered just by the amount of people who quit playing the game in general.

[AlanC9]

Well, the easy way to track it would be by whatever event gives out the achievement. So I'd say the former is likely.

[Maverick827]

Because I didn't truly want to keep it to myself, but this isn't the place to have such a discussion. It was a passive aggressive statement, I guess.

 

I live in an area wherein everyone feels the need to identify themselves as something other than "straight" or "cisgendered", and it grates at me when I can tell that it's less about who they truly are and more about who they're trying not to be. Plus, they've picked quite possibly the ugliest word available to describe "cisgendered" people. That being said, I support people being exactly who they are without fear of persecution, and I don't support majorities claiming, "I'm the majority, therefore I need to be treated disproportionately because there's more of me."

 

DA:I has offered a lot of things I welcome on these subjects, such as addressing individual characters' sexuality in the form of race, culture, etc. instead of making everyone bi for the main character, and how they approached the transgendered member of the Chargers (I forget his name at the moment) was very graceful. The topic of "straight people are mistreated" regarding LIs gets annoying, but the opposite, for me, gets just as annoying.

 

No, that's completely fine.  I was expecting a lot worse when it appeared like you had an ax to grind.  I also dislike the term "cisgendered."

[AlanC9]

The distribution of romance choices is very curious to me.  We have the following NPCs:
 
1 heterosexual female
3 heterosexual males
1 homosexual female
1 homosexual male
1 bisexual female
1 bisexual male
 
It seems like they went overboard trying to be edgy and avoid being criticized.  The average player is a hetero male (statistically speaking) and they are, it seems to me, going to want females to romance.  This game has more males than females to romance, so that's a strange design choice.  It also has an equal number of homosexual+bisexual to heterosexual romance options, I also find that a strange design choice.

I'll play. What would a non-strange lineup look like?

[Maverick827]

I'll play. What would a non-strange lineup look like?

 

I'm going to assume that there's an "accepted" percent and probability that any group of eight individuals will be of which identity, and either that poster knows what it "should" be and the numbers don't line up, or maybe he doesn't know the numbers but "feels" like these are wrong anyway (and might be shocked should anyone do the actual math).

[Natureguy85]

The 'blowback' is likely because instead of posting your thoughts in one of the already existing half-dozen threads on the topic, people continue to feel the need to flood the forum with individual threads like their thoughts are special little snowflakes that can't share space with the thoughts of others.  Instead of highlighting the importance of the topic for people, it's causing it to become a thing to be mocked. 

 

So, I ask, why couldn't your message be posted in one of the existing threads on the subject?

 

That can't be true because people post redundant threads on just about every topic. The blowback is because some people are so happy to have their different orientation options no matter how poorly written or one dimensional they are. That comment is not directed at Inquisition as I have not played it.

 

I understand somewhat where people are coming from when they talk about the ratio or proportion of romance options because, for example, less than 3% of the US population is homosexual. But they are trying to give options to all kinds of people. I don't mind this if done well, but I hate it when it's clear pandering, or worse yet, an obvious attempt to be edgy or progressive. Poorly written characters are always annoying, but even more so when they exist to push an agenda.

[Meatbaggins]

If they included more straight female romance options just to appease the majority, that would be pandering. The idea that the writers should craft their characters according to population statistics is ridiculous.

[AwesomeJokeME]

Maybe add some lonely jerk-off night cutscenes?

I'm sorry, I know this is immature but I couldn't help loling at this

[Maverick827]

If they included more straight female romance options to appease the majority, that would be pandering. The idea that the writers should craft their characters according to population statistics is ridiculous.

 

Couldn't the same be said for the opposite as well?  Games (all media, really) often get criticized because "women make up 51% of the world's population" and yet a game might have few or none.

 

Not that I agree, but I think when people have problems with "pandering," what they're really saying is "pandering...to the minority."  "Pandering the to majority" is synonymous with "the reason it was made in the first place," e.g., not pandering at all.

 

To expand further, whenever I watch an otherwise-upstanding anime series and see some sort of gratuitous upskirt shot, I think "that's pandering," because I don't feel like that's a core necessity to the medium; it's a fringe.  But it would be weird to say "ugh, why do they keep drawing this anime all anime-like and pander to anime fans?!"

[ORTesc]

I played a male human and romanced scar face because I had no other choice.

[Meatbaggins]

I played a male human and romanced scar face because I had no other choice.

 

 You did have another choice.

[Craig Graff]

This started out in a bad place. I suppose it isn't surprising to see it degenerated from there. For future consideration: follow the site rules with regard to constructive posting and leave spoilers completely out of the "No spoilers" section of the forum (even if you put them behind spoiler tags).