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[Ale12_02]

I am happy that the Warden is not the in game at all. By the end of Awakening my Warden was a god. He probably could one shot every high dragon of Thedas. Giving him a cheap cameo just because is a big no for me. 

 

What would be cool is having a shot at the Warden in the far distance with five  high  dragon corpse at his feet. Or maybe even controlling him myself in a future expansion/dlc. Starting him has a level 25 up to 35 etc. He does not even need a voice over. I would play/purchase that.

 

But just has a cameo ? No. The Warden deserve better than being a cheap cameo.

God I would love to see that shot of five dragons just laying at the Warden's feet. Even controlling them again as a dlc would be awesome and I wouldn't even be mad if he was silent.

[Lunneth]

God I would love to see that shot of five dragons just laying at the Warden's feet. Even controlling them again as a dlc would be awesome and I wouldn't even be mad if he was silent.

 
Please ... stop torture me talking this things

Fact is when a i see you talking things like that ... i see how much inquisition lose killing hero of fedelden

[Sundance31us]

Unless they add something to the keep that allowed you to tweak the Wardens appearance I'd rather not see the him/her in DAI.

And the voice...I can see Cassandra beating the Warden Commander to death with a ladder.

[Han Shot First]

Spoiler

I hope the Warden never gets cured of the taint.

 

Please no. Don't Fiona Mary Sue the character.

[Julia Luna]

They didn't have any particular significance to me, so this is simply false. And that's the thing, the player character from DA:O wasn't even really a character. They were more a voiceless avatar for the player, a throwback to the player character of old-school RPGs. Thankfully these days we've more interesting ways of portraying main characters. The reason Bioware can bring a character like Hawke forward is the same reason they can't bring the Warden into Inquisition. Hawke is a real, complete person within the game world. They have a voice, they have a name, and they have a personality. "The Warden" has none of that. They don't really even have a name that NPCs could universally use to refer to them in all their different possible incarnations, making dialogue with them next to impossible. They only way it was possible for them to exist was as a player character. But their time is over. Dragon Age has moved on to bigger and better things. You'll be a lot happier if you do too.

That is exactly why Hawke is inferior to the Warden because Hawke "exists" (s)he is not me. It is very easy to understand why it is easier to feel closer to the warden who is essentialy you than Hawke that is almost nothing of you. You would rather play with an "existent" character, great, many people like feeling they are playing themselves, so it is just a matter of preferences. There is no better or worse here, for me it is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse but for you it is better... cool. Now Bioware should try to mantain two RPG settings, one, low budget for the old fans and one with trillions of bazillions euros for the "new generation". I don't mind playing an "indie Bioware game" (with graphics from the 90's) as long as I don't NEED to play **** like Inquisition.

[Semipro]

We just need to let this go.

 

I honestly wasn't expecting "The Continued Adventures of the Hero of Ferelden" but, BioWare has made it abundantly clear over the years that their games are about their characters, not yours. Just accept that fact and move on. Its really the only way to go from here.

[Julia Luna]

The Inquisitor should use the Anchor to become a new god like Corypheus planned and then The Warden, the only one strong enought to destroy the Inquisitor would be the main character of the new game. Great, I'd love it. While this marvelous story happen Hawke tries to do something to help and unleash a new enemy for a new game, it is her specialty.

[Lunneth]

That is exactly why Hawke is inferior to the Warden because Hawke "exists" (s)he is not me. It is very easy to understand why it is easier to feel closer to the warden who is essentialy you than Hawke that is almost nothing of you. You would rather play with an "existent" character, great, many people like feeling they are playing themselves, so it is just a matter of preferences. There is no better or worse here, for me it is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse but for you it is better... cool. Now Bioware should try to mantain two RPG settings, one, low budget for the old fans and one with trillions of bazillions euros for the "new generation". I don't mind playing an "indie Bioware game" (with graphics from the 90's) as long as I don't NEED to play **** like Inquisition.

OMG ... it was EPIC!

WE ARE WARDEN ... WE CREATE EVERY POINT IN YOUR STORY ... to start their appearance, romances and have a child! Warden for me so close like Shepard.
 

We just need to let this go.

 

I honestly wasn't expecting "The Continued Adventures of the Hero of Ferelden" but, BioWare has made it abundantly clear over the years that their games are about their characters, not yours. Just accept that fact and move on. Its really the only way to go from here.

I understand ... inquisition dont want continue warden story,  but kill him? even after having survived?

[KaiserShep]

OMG ... it was EPIC!

WE ARE WARDEN ... WE CREATE EVERY POINT IN YOUR STORY ... to start their appearance, romances and have a child! Warden for me so close like Shepard.

 

Shepard? Shepard is in the same exact boat as Hawke.

[Lunneth]

Shepard? Shepard is in the same exact boat as Hawke.

Mass Effect propose you play as a shepard and choose pre-story (spacer, colonist or earthborn / war hero and other things i dont remember =) ) ... Hawke is Hawke, Lothering bla bla bla ... i like Hawke ... but He or She arent more important like Warden-commander.

[LegendaryBlade]

I am fine with not getting to see the Warden, but having it relegated to a text letter from the War Table and a few lines of dialogue from Morrigan was rather silly. At very least give we should get some kind of narration or a silhouette. That said I am content with what we got, though would have been nice to get some dialogue about how hype my Warden was as an Arcane Warrier when my Inquisitor chose Knight Enchanter

[SwobyJ]

I am happy that the Warden is not the in game at all. By the end of Awakening my Warden was a god. He probably could one shot every high dragon of Thedas. Giving him a cheap cameo just because is a big no for me. 

 

What would be cool is having a shot at the Warden in the far distance with five  high  dragon corpse at his feet. Or maybe even controlling him myself in a future expansion/dlc. Starting him has a level 25 up to 35 etc. He does not even need a voice over. I would play/purchase that.

 

But just has a cameo ? No. The Warden deserve better than being a cheap cameo.

 

I have to hope a little that you're not actually serious about the Warden. He couldn't one shot anything major, in terms of the story. He always has his allies by his side to help. He might be called one of the, if not the most powerful widely-known individual in Ferelden, but that's about it, and that has its limits too.

 

He can kill broodmothers and high dragons and an archdemon with some help, yay. That's not unheard of. At least several others in Thedeosian history have done similar.

 

Killing dragons is something that many did. Its what Nevarra is even known for. Its nothing super super special (but it is prestigious, and until now rare because the dragons were even being killed off and thought extinct).

 

Killing dawkspawn is something many did. Its what dwarves are known for. I believe at least some of them (Legion of the Dead?) is even aware of broodmothers and killing them, and definitely the Grey Wardens are.

 

Our level is not really relevant. And lots of say, mages, can learn lots of spells and that's not Warden exclusive.

 

The Warden-Commander mayyy be one of the strongest people in known Thedas, but it isn't like he's an actual god. IMO Hawke is stronger as an individual (if you strip away the Warden's party support and special training paths and skills), and the Inquisitor heads into demigod territory where neither tread (being a Warden is special, but not that special).

 

I agree that he shouldn't be a cheap cameo. But that's why I'd want him to be a major presence and influence in content, not just an appearance.

[SwobyJ]

Unless they add something to the keep that allowed you to tweak the Wardens appearance I'd rather not see the him/her in DAI.
 

 

They don't need to. See: Hawke in DAI. You can do it in-game.

 

Just need to make sure there's enough DAO CC looking options.

[SwobyJ]

Spoiler

I hope the Warden never gets cured of the taint.

 

Please no. Don't Fiona Mary Sue the character.

 

I actually see nothing wrong with this.

 

As long as you pay the narrative price for it.

 

Don't make it easy.

[Uriel]

First, I don't mind that I only got a letter. But I don't understand the arguments that since the Warden hadn't got a voicing actor, he or she cannot appear. Just find the Warden an actor, and that's all, give the same face morphing possibility that Hawke has. For diplomatic, sarcastic and so on, it just needs to add on tile in the Keep. You don't need then to see the warden fighting with you, it could be done in other ways.

Also, I realize that the scenario goes on delaying the Warden's death. Since the Warden is searching a cure for the Calling, then if he or she succeeds, the Warden will have a longer life than expected... Which doesn't say Gar/Marie Sue/Stu for me. Just a normal lifespan.

[Han Shot First]

I actually see nothing wrong with this.

 

As long as you pay the narrative price for it.

 

Don't make it easy.

 

There would be no way to make that difficult however without putting the player back in the Warden's boots, and I think that is also a route they shouldn't go.

 

The Wardens as an organization are kind of tragic, in that they have to lose a good portion of their lives as a consequence of having the ability to kill an archdemon. And they don't die peacefully in their beds. It's either a violent death in battle or a slow and awful decline from the taint. The player character IMO, as part of that organization, shouldn't be given an 'out' just because he or she is the player character. To me that would be sort of like making a character an elf but then never have them face any racism at all. The Wardens are defined by the taint and the Calling, just as the elves are defined in part by the discrimination they face.

 

But I don't understand the arguments that since the Warden hadn't got a voicing actor, he or she cannot appear. Just find the Warden an actor, and that's all, give the same face morphing possibility that Hawke has. For diplomatic, sarcastic and so on, it just needs to add on tile in the Keep.

 

I do agree with that. A Warden cameo is certainly doable. You would just need to give the player at least two choices of voice actor per gender, the ability to select personality much like Hawke, and the option to customize the Warden's appearance for that cameo.

[KaiserShep]

I'd kinda like to see the order eventually become defunct, though that would require a final defeat of the darkspawn menace.

[Huyna]

Regarding Calling and Warden's search for cure.

 

Bioware kinda did something similiar with Krogan's genophage cure. If i remember correctly (it's been a while) for us  to develop a cure and allow Eve (it was her name, right?) to survive we would need not only to perform right chaine of choices in ME3 but also in ME2 (like keeping Mordin's student research intact).

So, for Warden's "happy end" (yeah, i would like to see my Warden's alive and well  - let's leave unavoidable tragedies for commander Sheppard and Hawke's mom) player would requre certain solutions from Warden's Keep adventure. 

[KaiserShep]

I think it'd be kind of interesting if the Warden only successfully gets a cure for the taint after getting the power of blood and allowing Avernus to research as he pleases.

[SwobyJ]

There would be no way to make that difficult however without putting the player back in the Warden's boots, and I think that is also a route they shouldn't go.

 

The Wardens as an organization are kind of tragic, in that they have to lose a good portion of their lives as a consequence of having the ability to kill an archdemon. And they don't die peacefully in their beds. It's either a violent death in battle or a slow and awful decline from the taint. The player character IMO, as part of that organization, shouldn't be given an 'out' just because he or she is the player character. To me that would be sort of like making a character an elf but then never have them face any racism at all. The Wardens are defined by the taint and the Calling, just as the elves are defined in part by the discrimination they face.

 

Guess you won't like a certain storyline of Inquisition, is all I'll say. Actually, a few storylines.

 

The game is called Inquisition - its all about subverting what is supposed to be 'definition'.

[SwobyJ]

Regarding Calling and Warden's search for cure.

 

Bioware kinda did something similiar with Krogan's genophage cure. If i remember correctly (it's been a while) for us  to develop a cure and allow Eve (it was her name, right?) to survive we would need not only to perform right chaine of choices in ME3 but also in ME2 (like keeping Mordin's student research intact).

So, for Warden's "happy end" (yeah, i would like to see my Warden's alive and well  - let's leave unavoidable tragedies for commander Sheppard and Hawke's mom) player would requre certain solutions from Warden's Keep adventure. 

 

Yep basically this.

 

And I'd just like some of these requirements to allow a Warden Calling survival to entail one or more 'sacrifices' of other sorts in the Keep and in the game/DLC that the survival takes place on.

[Han Shot First]

Guess you won't like a certain storyline of Inquisition, is all I'll say. Actually, a few storylines.

 

The game is called Inquisition - its all about subverting what is supposed to be 'definition'.

 

Actually no, I love the game so far.

 

And the Inquisition is a bit different than the Wardens in that it doesn't even exist until the player character and his or her cronies create it. You get to define what the Inquisition is and what it is or isn't going to change. 

[Lunneth]

I honestly do not believe that the Warden-Commander ignore a danger as the battle of the inquisitor to find a cure and prolong your life ... that would be selfishness, I do not believe he would do that.

[SwobyJ]

Actually no, I love the game so far.

 

And the Inquisition is a bit different than the Wardens in that it doesn't even exist until the player character and his or her cronies create it. You get to define what the Inquisition is and what it is or isn't going to change. 

 

I'm talking about specific storylines with specific characters! I'm not even talking about the Inquisition.

 

(Though for the Inquisition, its true that it doesn't exist in that point in time, but it DID exist and it DOES have a negative reputation among any who know about it in Thedas. You're actually redefining it, one way or another.)